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Mar 23, 2017 22:36:22   #
Progressive One
 
JFlorio wrote:
They don't necessarily just use tax dollars. They charge the s**t out of people like me to subsidize everyone else. I t***hfully don't care if someone can't afford health insurance if the fault is theirs. If they have pre-existing conditions I would love for states to add a consumption tax to fund the people with pre-existing conditions, and/or using high risk pools. Get the government out of the middle man position. Health insurers are bad enough. Open up competition across state lines and bring down the college costs of becoming a doctor. Make t***sparency a law. Make these damn health insurers publicly state the prices per product or procedure so the consumer can compare and contrast. I want freedom of choice. Not some bureaucrat telling me what I have to pay for.
They don't necessarily just use tax dollars. They ... (show quote)


They charge us all....but remember the tax dollars of others provide a lot of things for us that we couldn't pay for alone ourselves and that stops me from having a selfish orientation......private industry gouges people because of the profit motive....gov't does not have to cut corners.....but most people are so selfish that gov't have to tell them something because most Americans want it all and don't want to pay s**t....look at the red states...none of them want to pay state taxes, so blue states end up subsidizing them....not cool...........

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Mar 23, 2017 22:41:29   #
Progressive One
 
Trump is trying to bully the GOP:

President Trump has issued an ultimatum to House Republicans: Pass a new health bill or he will leave Obamacare in place

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/politics/health-republicans-v**e.html?emc=edit_na_20170323&nl=breaking-news&nlid=51247735&ref=headline

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Mar 24, 2017 00:15:20   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
First off I believe it's ridiculous for any state to send money to Washington, then let Washington play the middle man. You know keep a piece then send either more back to a state or less than that state put in. There should be no subsidies. However most red states receive more because of farm subsidies and defense. I'm sure you don't want too eat or be defended. You do realize you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say it's not fair for a blue state to subsidize a red state (I happen to agree with you) but it's O.K. for me to subsidize someone else's health insurance. You sound like you are against profit but are braggadocios about all the wealth you have accumulated. Did someone hand you a salary for nothing. Never mind asked and answered. You're a professor. You also talk as if private for profit is bad but government, the most inefficient entity on earth is good. You'd make a good little c****e. But hey you are a liberal, you are just about there.
Progressive One wrote:
They charge us all....but remember the tax dollars of others provide a lot of things for us that we couldn't pay for alone ourselves and that stops me from having a selfish orientation......private industry gouges people because of the profit motive....gov't does not have to cut corners.....but most people are so selfish that gov't have to tell them something because most Americans want it all and don't want to pay s**t....look at the red states...none of them want to pay state taxes, so blue states end up subsidizing them....not cool...........
They charge us all....but remember the tax dollars... (show quote)

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Mar 24, 2017 00:18:26   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Good for him. Smart move. Obamacare is going down the tubes. 23 million have dropped insurance because they say they can' afford it. Many states and counties have one insurer and not enough doctors to go around. When this implodes and it will the Democrats will be blamed and rightly so.
Progressive One wrote:
Trump is trying to bully the GOP:

President Trump has issued an ultimatum to House Republicans: Pass a new health bill or he will leave Obamacare in place

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/politics/health-republicans-v**e.html?emc=edit_na_20170323&nl=breaking-news&nlid=51247735&ref=headline

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Mar 24, 2017 02:18:25   #
Progressive One
 
JFlorio wrote:
First off I believe it's ridiculous for any state to send money to Washington, then let Washington play the middle man. You know keep a piece then send either more back to a state or less than that state put in. There should be no subsidies. However most red states receive more because of farm subsidies and defense. I'm sure you don't want too eat or be defended. You do realize you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say it's not fair for a blue state to subsidize a red state (I happen to agree with you) but it's O.K. for me to subsidize someone else's health insurance. You sound like you are against profit but are braggadocios about all the wealth you have accumulated. Did someone hand you a salary for nothing. Never mind asked and answered. You're a professor. You also talk as if private for profit is bad but government, the most inefficient entity on earth is good. You'd make a good little c****e. But hey you are a liberal, you are just about there.
First off I believe it's ridiculous for any state ... (show quote)


i'm not bragging about s**t....you dishonest ass people never view what I say as a response to all the r****t ass ghetto, ged, janitor,welfare bulls**t tossed my way....I guess when you read the posts and conversations, you conveniently overlook the statement and response and just see the response. you cons sure do have a underhanded side and you all do try to actually approach people as if they actually have less intelligence than you. That is why I tell a lot of you fk you...many of you are insulting socially and to the intelligence. That is why I post articles and don't discuss too much...you cons approach dialogue with only select portions of issues....predicated on the notion that the other person has a degree of ignorance that can be capitalized on..........yeah subsidize their health insurance the way the taxes of others subsidize your expenses for military, roads you drive on and even st the local level, your fire, police and other services.....imagine if you had to write a check if the fire dept put out your house fire.......or the highways had a toll booth for every x amount of mileage you need them for.........so no....i'm not a c****e...I make too much more than my parents generation and was not limited to just the opportunities of their time. I'm just not selfish......i'm willing to give more and if that tightens things up.....i'll just get off my lazy ass and find a way to increase the cash flow.......i'm not taking none of this s**t with me....so why hoard it..........in case you people don't know...while you are here on Earth...everything you have is leased.....you're just borrowing it for a minute so there's no logic in getting all caught up into your "things" and "stuff"...........and by the way..being a professor is my secondary career...after this many years making a salary while on line make this possible because I was burnt out trying to do both in person.....but more than the money...after all those years of college...I don't have to be a student to continuously learn...I have to stay current because I have to teach current realities and future concepts to students....not old BS...but most of all...it adds a sensible dimension to my life where I have to embrace continuous periods of being intelligent myself....it is like when I was an engineer....you can't design with microprocessors and act like a ignorant ass at the same time.....so to me...having activities where intelligence is required to that extent acts as a filter to purge me of any ignorance I may possess..... it forces my brain to operate in an iignorance and emotion-free mode......good cerebral aerobics............

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Mar 24, 2017 03:10:56   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
PeterS wrote:
Just think how dumb you're going to look when your hero is impeached for being the first president to be convicted of treason. And if he's convicted of treason what does that make all his followers who swore allegiance to him to the end?


I'll be too busy looking at how stupid you Liberals look when he is not. You don't even know the legal definition of treason. It's the new Liberal favorite word, rapidly replacing raaaaaciiiiiiiist! as your "go-to" battle shriek.

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Mar 24, 2017 03:13:22   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
i'm not bragging about s**t....you dishonest ass people never view what I say as a response to all the r****t ass ghetto, ged, janitor,welfare bulls**t tossed my way....I guess when you read the posts and conversations, you conveniently overlook the statement and response and just see the response. you cons sure do have a underhanded side and you all do try to actually approach people as if they actually have less intelligence than you. That is why I tell a lot of you fk you...many of you are insulting socially and to the intelligence. That is why I post articles and don't discuss too much...you cons approach dialogue with only select portions of issues....predicated on the notion that the other person has a degree of ignorance that can be capitalized on..........yeah subsidize their health insurance the way the taxes of others subsidize your expenses for military, roads you drive on and even st the local level, your fire, police and other services.....imagine if you had to write a check if the fire dept put out your house fire.......or the highways had a toll booth for every x amount of mileage you need them for.........so no....i'm not a c****e...I make too much more than my parents generation and was not limited to just the opportunities of their time. I'm just not selfish......i'm willing to give more and if that tightens things up.....i'll just get off my lazy ass and find a way to increase the cash flow.......i'm not taking none of this s**t with me....so why hoard it..........in case you people don't know...while you are here on Earth...everything you have is leased.....you're just borrowing it for a minute so there's no logic in getting all caught up into your "things" and "stuff"...........and by the way..being a professor is my secondary career...after this many years making a salary while on line make this possible because I was burnt out trying to do both in person.....but more than the money...after all those years of college...I don't have to be a student to continuously learn...I have to stay current because I have to teach current realities and future concepts to students....not old BS...but most of all...it adds a sensible dimension to my life where I have to embrace continuous periods of being intelligent myself....it is like when I was an engineer....you can't design with microprocessors and act like a ignorant ass at the same time.....so to me...having activities where intelligence is required to that extent acts as a filter to purge me of any ignorance I may possess..... it forces my brain to operate in an iignorance and emotion-free mode......good cerebral aerobics............
i'm not bragging about s**t....you dishonest ass ... (show quote)


I suppose next you'll tell us your third career was being an astronaut. At least try to come up with some fresh lies; you've been using the same ones ever since the KHH1 days.

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Mar 24, 2017 03:20:01   #
Progressive One
 
Loki wrote:
I suppose next you'll tell us your third career was being an astronaut. At least try to come up with some fresh lies; you've been using the same ones ever since the KHH1 days.


you're forced to say that...never input on the topics discussed to state why they are lies..........

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Mar 24, 2017 03:28:56   #
PeterS
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Treason? You want to cover treason!, Petey?

Here WAS the big problem enough v**ers figured out:
Without G*******t/Big Money funding Obama's campaign, and their MSM support; Obama would have never been selected, as the Democrat's nomination. But then again the other option given was the HildaBeast.

God how scary Eagle, a conspiracy right under our nose. The thing is birdman, taking money from G*******ts and having the support of media isn't treasonable. Collusion with the Russian though would qualify as treason and he could well be our first president to end up going to prison--I hope for the rest of his miserable life. And you didn't answer my question--if Trump is a Russian t*****r then just what does that make his dev**ed followers? Should we be building more prisons just for all the t*****rs that follow him?

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Mar 24, 2017 03:38:21   #
PeterS
 
Loki wrote:
I'll be too busy looking at how stupid you Liberals look when he is not. You don't even know the legal definition of treason. It's the new Liberal favorite word, rapidly replacing raaaaaciiiiiiiist! as your "go-to" battle shriek.


Well the only part of the definition of Treason that I need to know is: A crime of betraying ones country.

I think collusion with the EEEEE-vile Russians is going to qualify just fine, don't you? And no, it hasn't replaced your RW r****m at all--it's just in this case the end result will be sweet enough that we don't need to remind anyone of what a r****t POS he really is.

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Mar 24, 2017 03:51:13   #
PeterS
 
Loki wrote:
I suppose next you'll tell us your third career was being an astronaut. At least try to come up with some fresh lies; you've been using the same ones ever since the KHH1 days.


Wow, astronauts are cool. When I was in school I got a work study job watching the computers at JSC, Johnson Space Center at White Sands, late at night. I don't know what I was suppose to be watching for but it worked out fine as a job to do my homework by. We did have a bit of excitement one night when a hundred million dollar satellite went sailing off into never never land--come to think of it, that may have been what I was suppose to be watching for--Oops. Shouldn't put a sleepy eyed 19 year old in charge of anything. The only thing I was qualified to do at that time was to yank on Willie. Oh well, as they say, it was a learning experience, I hoped they learned something. I never did get to see any astronaut but the one time the shuttle landed in White Sands I got to watch it. That was cool but I was so far away I couldn't see anyone flying it. Oh well, what can I say....

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Mar 24, 2017 03:53:40   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
you're forced to say that...never input on the topics discussed to state why they are lies..........


Preponderance of evidence.

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Mar 24, 2017 03:55:56   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
PeterS wrote:
Wow, astronauts are cool. When I was in school I got a work study job watching the computers at JSC, Johnson Space Center at White Sands, late at night. I don't know what I was suppose to be watching for but it worked out fine as a job to do my homework by. We did have a bit of excitement one night when a hundred million dollar satellite went sailing off into never never land--come to think of it, that may have been what I was suppose to be watching for--Oops. Shouldn't put a sleepy eyed 19 year old in charge of anything. The only thing I was qualified to do at that time was to yank on Willie. Oh well, as they say, it was a learning experience, I hoped they learned something. I never did get to see any astronaut but the one time the shuttle landed in White Sands I got to watch it. That was cool but I was so far away I couldn't see anyone flying it. Oh well, what can I say....
Wow, astronauts are cool. When I was in school I g... (show quote)


Say what I did when I got a work/study as a proofreader for a small publishing company. It beats the s**t out of flipping burgers at McDonald's.

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Mar 24, 2017 04:53:32   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
God how scary Eagle, a conspiracy right under our nose. The thing is birdman, taking money from G*******ts and having the support of media isn't treasonable. Collusion with the Russian though would qualify as treason and he could well be our first president to end up going to prison--I hope for the rest of his miserable life. And you didn't answer my question--if Trump is a Russian t*****r then just what does that make his dev**ed followers? Should we be building more prisons just for all the t*****rs that follow him?
God how scary Eagle, a conspiracy right under our ... (show quote)


No proof of collusion has been found, however, a Watergate scandal is developing as I write this. Now, what we do know is this:

#1. Surveillance was done on the Trump Campaign.

#2. Surveillance was done legally, that is gathering information about foreign nationals(the Russian Probe)

#3. Surveillance was done incidentally on American citizens. Procedures are clear when this intelligence is gathered. The American citizen's privacy, based upon the 1973 Privacy Act must be upheld.

#4. Certain persons being under Surveillance, were "unmasked". This included General Flynn, an American Citizen.

#5. Most of the intelligence, if not all of it, that was collected by the Surveillance had nothing to do with foreign nationals, and the leaks were used for political reasons.

Now, Pete, and the rest of you, before you start arguing back and forth on who should go to jail, Obama or Trump, we must follow the facts here. Remember the "rule of Law", and the "Law" itself. The Law is clear on this, any intelligence gathered on an American citizen, that is incidental because the American just happens to be present when the foreign person is communicating, and intelligence is being gathered, the intelligence is confidential and cannot by Law be leaked, or released to the public. Since, the intelligence gathered had nothing to do with the collusion between the foreign persons, and the American citizens, but rather was an eve's dropping incident, for the purpose of political reasons, the authorities at the time broke the law. Then further broke the law when they unmasked, the subjects.

The question here is, Who authorized the unmasking, of these subjects of the intelligence gathered for political reasons?

This is the question that needs to be answered.

When concerning the pompous ass, Donald Trump, all of us here, who preaches "fairness" must embrace a true fact. Donald Trump is a lot of things but one thing he is not is a politician. It has been a long time since we have had a president who is not a politician. Since Donald Trump, love him--h**e him, since he has been president, he has tried to keep his word. That should be acknowledged. No man will be perfect in the job he has to do. Sound familiar, many said to me back in '14 give Obama a chance. Well I did and by July of '14 I was calling for his impeachment. Obamacare, Fast and Furious, B******i, ISIS, and the deserter that was traded for terrorists, were some of the failures of the Obama Administration. These failures led to a distrust of the people to the Federal Government. No law should be blanketed that all states must follow when concerning social issues. But what must be followed is the rule of Law. There is a difference.

There is no evidence suggesting that Donald Trump ever engaged in an act of treason.
There was evidence to suggest that Obama, Bill Clinton and Hilary Clinton did engage in treason. Most of this evidence was dismissed due to the circumstantial evidence.
Same was held true for the Reagan and Bush, and Bush Jr, administrations. But Donald Trump has not been in long enough to do any action.

There is however evidence, that Donald Trump is not a t*****r, the executive order concerning immigration is an example. Donald Trump pushed for the banning of enemies of the United States from entering into the country under the disguise of being an immigrant. Legal immigrants are always welcome into this country, but i*****l i*******ts have always been discouraged. There is cause for this discouragement. This is an act of not only duty, but also of patriotism.

If you are of the mind to stop once and for all discrimination, and r****m or any other ism, you must practice what you preach. I have seen very threatening words against Trump without proper evidence. I think Trump is a pompous asshole, personally, however being an asshole is not illegal or t*****rous. But let's face it, if you want to be fair, look at the forum in which we write, how many of us are pompous assholes.

Now, present evidence that can be verified and is concrete evidence rather than arguing in fear. That is a major problem with this forum, is that we rely on the media for our facts. We have condemned all media outlets, as if we the people don't trust the media. That is fine, I don't trust the media, whether it is Fox News, CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS since all these networks could not announce the president in November of 2000, let alone today.

However, some reporters in the Press do, do good fact reporting. We, the people, have got to stop attacking Trump for a bit. If Trump is as bad as our friends on the Left suggest it will be shown in time. If Trump is as good as our friends on the right suggest, it will be shown in time. But I think Trump is just a common man, just like you and me. He will fail in somethings, and in some issues, but will succeed in other things and issues. Be patient. Too many people are jumping the gun. Let's watch how it plays out then let's judge. I say, as I'm trying to be fair, its too early to tell.

Do we have a deal?

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Mar 24, 2017 07:22:04   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
No proof of collusion has been found, however, a Watergate scandal is developing as I write this. Now, what we do know is this:

#1. Surveillance was done on the Trump Campaign.

#2. Surveillance was done legally, that is gathering information about foreign nationals(the Russian Probe)

#3. Surveillance was done incidentally on American citizens. Procedures are clear when this intelligence is gathered. The American citizen's privacy, based upon the 1973 Privacy Act must be upheld.

#4. Certain persons being under Surveillance, were "unmasked". This included General Flynn, an American Citizen.

#5. Most of the intelligence, if not all of it, that was collected by the Surveillance had nothing to do with foreign nationals, and the leaks were used for political reasons.

Now, Pete, and the rest of you, before you start arguing back and forth on who should go to jail, Obama or Trump, we must follow the facts here. Remember the "rule of Law", and the "Law" itself. The Law is clear on this, any intelligence gathered on an American citizen, that is incidental because the American just happens to be present when the foreign person is communicating, and intelligence is being gathered, the intelligence is confidential and cannot by Law be leaked, or released to the public. Since, the intelligence gathered had nothing to do with the collusion between the foreign persons, and the American citizens, but rather was an eve's dropping incident, for the purpose of political reasons, the authorities at the time broke the law. Then further broke the law when they unmasked, the subjects.

The question here is, Who authorized the unmasking, of these subjects of the intelligence gathered for political reasons?

This is the question that needs to be answered.

When concerning the pompous ass, Donald Trump, all of us here, who preaches "fairness" must embrace a true fact. Donald Trump is a lot of things but one thing he is not is a politician. It has been a long time since we have had a president who is not a politician. Since Donald Trump, love him--h**e him, since he has been president, he has tried to keep his word. That should be acknowledged. No man will be perfect in the job he has to do. Sound familiar, many said to me back in '14 give Obama a chance. Well I did and by July of '14 I was calling for his impeachment. Obamacare, Fast and Furious, B******i, ISIS, and the deserter that was traded for terrorists, were some of the failures of the Obama Administration. These failures led to a distrust of the people to the Federal Government. No law should be blanketed that all states must follow when concerning social issues. But what must be followed is the rule of Law. There is a difference.

There is no evidence suggesting that Donald Trump ever engaged in an act of treason.
There was evidence to suggest that Obama, Bill Clinton and Hilary Clinton did engage in treason. Most of this evidence was dismissed due to the circumstantial evidence.
Same was held true for the Reagan and Bush, and Bush Jr, administrations. But Donald Trump has not been in long enough to do any action.

There is however evidence, that Donald Trump is not a t*****r, the executive order concerning immigration is an example. Donald Trump pushed for the banning of enemies of the United States from entering into the country under the disguise of being an immigrant. Legal immigrants are always welcome into this country, but i*****l i*******ts have always been discouraged. There is cause for this discouragement. This is an act of not only duty, but also of patriotism.

If you are of the mind to stop once and for all discrimination, and r****m or any other ism, you must practice what you preach. I have seen very threatening words against Trump without proper evidence. I think Trump is a pompous asshole, personally, however being an asshole is not illegal or t*****rous. But let's face it, if you want to be fair, look at the forum in which we write, how many of us are pompous assholes.

Now, present evidence that can be verified and is concrete evidence rather than arguing in fear. That is a major problem with this forum, is that we rely on the media for our facts. We have condemned all media outlets, as if we the people don't trust the media. That is fine, I don't trust the media, whether it is Fox News, CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS since all these networks could not announce the president in November of 2000, let alone today.

However, some reporters in the Press do, do good fact reporting. We, the people, have got to stop attacking Trump for a bit. If Trump is as bad as our friends on the Left suggest it will be shown in time. If Trump is as good as our friends on the right suggest, it will be shown in time. But I think Trump is just a common man, just like you and me. He will fail in somethings, and in some issues, but will succeed in other things and issues. Be patient. Too many people are jumping the gun. Let's watch how it plays out then let's judge. I say, as I'm trying to be fair, its too early to tell.

Do we have a deal?
No proof of collusion has been found, however, a W... (show quote)


Very good post. I don't see what anyone can find wrong with it.

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