BoJester

Republicans and teaparty and conservatives must be right, the ACA is failing.
Now is the time to scrap this plan and move directly to single payer. This should appeal to all of those who complain about the cost of healthcare, since single payer is unquestionably the most cost effective.



http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/06/single-payer-healthcare/

PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

I will never understand you.
I feel everything you say that promotes liberalism is dripping with sarcasm.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Leave it to a liberal hack to suggest gross government involvement screwing up a situation can only be fixed by even more government gross involvement. Seems experience means nothing to them - if they didn't learn the futility of central planning from the USSR's experience, they'll never learn.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

We told ya so!

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

OK, I read your far left leaning site article and found that either they know nothing about what is going on or they refuse to see the t***h about what you people call the real program to follow for single payer.

They spoke out about Medicare being the answer since it does such a wonderful job for all. Of course, some doctors have already refused to take in new Medicare patients for a very obvious reason. In Medicare the "government" supposedly pays for 80% of the cost and we old poops have to have what is referred to as medigap to pay the rest. In case you don't know it we get to pay 10% of out Social Security amount each month for Medicare which surely wouldn't look pretty to you Single Payer people. Just think I get to pay nearly $110 per month from my SS check along with nearly $250 per month for Medigap. That is ok but do you know who decides how much will be paid by Medicare and the insurance company? Why the Medicare people get to do that, of course.

If you could pay attention to what is going on you would see that the government would be in charge of medical care by determining what they would pay. Doctors would become employees of the government. That would also include nurses and all hospitals since they do most of the healthcare. I don't know how much more I would have to pay for Medicare but if I pay about $400 per month to have it all others would have to pay some very high taxes for Single Payer. You people will never see that you will pay extremely high taxes for much less than you get now, will you? How many of our doctors are going to be employees of a bunch of bureaucrats in DC? Many of them will just quit and then what?

Single Payer sounds so good but intelligent people will see what it will cost and then what? If one is not some kind of socialist thinker he can see what single payer would do to us. Once you people get that what business would you go after next? That is what really scares me about Single Payer.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Before we have a single payer health care system, let's develop a single payer food system. One would live a lot longer without health care than they would without food. Let's let everyone go into the grocery store and take what they want. Surely that would increase the quantity and quality of food available to all - and those increases would last for about as long as it took to empty the shelves. But we'd at least have food e******y - we could all starve collectively.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

And I suppose you want the GOVERNMENT to run it? Oh yes indeed. They will run it just as they did the roll out of ObamaCare--all fouled up!!!
Actually, that is what both Obama and Reid have publicly stated. They want single payer with the Government being the payor.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Universal healthcare and cradle to grave security. No more doctor bills and no more insurance bills. Higher taxes for sure. You still have to pay if you want services.

jasfourth401

Oh why not...it's cold outside...time to pour some gas on this fire and heat things up.

This whole argument about single payer, any payer or the ACA is just plain stupid. This game is over. Game. Set. Match.

And that's because this country is already a single payer health system for the majority of Americans. And all you need to do, in order to understand this, is have basic math sk**ls.

Medicaid enrollees in 2012 were 72.6 million. Now it is estimated to be around 75 and will close in on 80 million by the time all states accept fed money (25 +/- states now reject these monies).

Medicare enrollees in 2012 were 49.5 million. Now it is estimated to be around 52 million. These numbers will continue to rise as the population ages.

Federal employees 2.9 million. State employees 3.8 million. Local and municipal employees 10.8 million. And for all these folks, add their families for coverage.

At a minimum, using 2012 numbers and assuming only one fed/state/local employee covered, you get 140 million, or 45% of the total population. A more realistic number though is 175 million, or 56% of the total population.

This debate is over. The United States, for the majority of Americans, is already single payer. And there's nothing anybody can do about it.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Great idea, let's have universal everything - why restrict it to healthcare, let's let everyone live free of worry - it worked so well for the Soviet Union.

One problem I see though, who would pay the higher taxes and where would they get the money. Maybe we don't need to worry about that, deficit spending also seems to be working so well, we'll just do that to infinity too.

Is everyone happy now?

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

What you cite is true, the federal government has been overwhelmingly the biggest "consumer" of health care - and that is the single biggest reason costs have gone out of control. As the government grew its influence on health care, costs went up well above any other consumer cost.

ninetogo

Hi Bo. Wasn't this the plan all along. Design a healthcare system that is a complete cluster where it will fail, then move to the single payer system? One of those things that make you say, "Hummmmmmmmm".

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

BOBO: There will come a time when liberals cannot find other people's money to fund their debacles anymore ! Your ugly heads will be lobbed off in the 2014 & 2016 e******ns!!!!

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Tort reform in the medical industry would go a long way in reducing healthcare costs for consumers. Hospitals, and healthcare professionals, must carry exorbitant amounts of insurance to protect themselves from alleged malpractice. Many, if not most, malpractice suits are spurious at best, people looking to get rich at the expense of a physician's, or hospital's, insurance company.