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Mar 9, 2017 00:13:37   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
03/06/2017 The Enablers of Obama’s Wiretapping Scandal

Steve McCann
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/03/the_enablers_of_obamas_wiretapping_scandal.html

As the news of the potential wiretapping of the Trump campaign has finally found its way into the headlines

And the never-ending leaks emanating from the Obama Administration holdovers continue to be exploited,

Wh**ever national chaos and retribution that may ensue rests not only on the shoulders of the perpetrators but on enablers in a sycophantic mainstream media and a feckless Republican Party.


Since 1989 and the e******n of George H.W. Bush, the vast majority of Republicans elected to national office have chosen to worship the twin gods of civility and compromise rather than vigorously defend and promote liberty, free enterprise and limited government.  

Meanwhile, their political adversaries, the Democratic Party and the Left (now one and the same) had no such compunctions as they were determined to achieve their ends regardless of the means. 

Among the means were endless intimidation, extortion and ridicule of the Republicans in Congress or either of the two George Bushes. All this without fear of retaliation or even the slightest hint of a vigorous defense or response.


In conjunction with their accomplices in the mainstream media, Democrats quickly ascertained that any outrageous accusation on their part,

Such as that Republicans are determined to starve children, would eventuate in the near complete surrender of any opposition to their proposed policies --

All of which are now embedded in American society. 

Further, rather than support their colleagues in the Party who were oftentimes the victims of specious and malicious accusations, the spineless elites in the Republican Party sacrificed their members on the altar of civility and faux integrity.

Having experienced so much success with these tactics, it is little wonder that after nearly three decades the Democrats’ overconfidence could be their potential long-term downfall.

That eventual bridge too far may well be the wiretapping of the Trump campaign by the Obama Administration and the putting in place of the apparatus for the subsequent leaking of hitherto confidential information by the Obama holdovers.

In an effort to delay, marginalize, or destroy the Trump Administration.

Apparently, Barack Obama and his minions were supremely confident that Hillary Clinton would win.  

Or if by any remote chance she did not, the assumption seemingly was that Trump and the Republicans would be their usual spineless selves

And succumb to the customary intimidation tactics and would never retaliate once in office. 

Additionally, the Democrats could count on the mainstream media never exposing their treachery.


Despite all their voluminous opposition research and Trump’s own words, the Obama-Clinton cabal, brimming with overconfidence,

Refused to accept the reality that he was not a prototypical Republican or someone easily extorted.   

Any cursory review of his business career and tactics would have disabused them of that mindset. 


Had Obama not been so arrogant, he would have realized if his administration pushed for the wiretapping of his political rival in a contested e******n campaign that Hillary had better damn well win or Trump could and would retaliate once in office. 

As the President of the United States can declassify and make public anything he so chooses,

Obama’s allies in the media would not be able to sweep the potential scandal under the rug.

That hypothetical eventuality may have come to pass as President Trump has decided to use the power of his office to expose the potential duplicity and unscrupulous behavior of the Obama Administration in the wiretapping of his campaign. 

A story first reported last November in an expose by the website Heat Street and followed up by The Guardian (UK) in January.    


There is another component in this intrigue that is part and parcel of the overall Obama deviousness.  

On January 12, 2017, a week before Trump was inaugurated, in a dramatic reversal of a longstanding policy, Obama issued an executive order allowing the NSA to share with 16 other agencies, filled with Obama holdovers, vast amount of data gathered on private American citizens.

Data collected without warrants, court orders or congressional authorizations. 

Thus, assuring that innumerable leaks, such as those surrounding General Mike Flynn and others in the Trump Administration, could occur. 

The wiretapping and the deliberate strategy to undermine one’s successor are perhaps the most egregious political actions by any president in American history, far surpassing Watergate or the Teapot Dome scandals. 

In fact, they are tactics that would have been applauded by some of the despots of the past century.

Complicit in this skullduggery is the mainstream media. 


For the past forty years, they have been virtually unquestioning in their dealings with the Democrats while vilifying the Republicans at every turn. 

They became, in essence, the Praetorian Guard for the Democratic Party, allowing its members to get away with virtually anything. 

The latest example is the mainstream media’s willfully choosing to ignore the wiretapping reports already in the alternative and foreign media while gleefully accepting the leaks in their collusion with the Democratic Party elites. 


There is little doubt that the media in this nation is now more polarized than ever.   

As its traditional income sources evaporate, the mainstream media is increasingly dependent on web traffic for advertising revenue. 

Therefore, the incentive is either to produce and promote sensationalism or publish stories tailored for a specific audience regardless of the overall veracity in reporting.

Jonah Goldberg at National Review recently explored this phenomenon (as he noted the following at the Washington Post):

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/445477/jeff-sessions-media-bias-donald-trump-age

(Ben Domenech) told me the Post has a giant screen on the wall of the newsroom that displays in real-time their web traffic. 

Ben noted that nearly all the most read stories were anti-Trump. 

He asked whether we can rely on the press to be objective when market incentives are for Trump-bashing all the time.

The media in the United States is now split between the anti-Trump and pro-Trump venues. 

During the previous 8 years, the mainstream media was almost exclusively pro-Obama primarily because of ideology and today they are almost exclusively anti-Trump primarily because of revenue.  

As a counterweight, there is now a significant pro-Trump media, chiefly on the internet, which also relies on web traffic for their livelihood.  

The schism is now a fait accompli and will not be reversed anytime soon. 

Unfortunately, the anti-Trump media is still dominant but seemingly hellbent on losing that status, as they have tossed to the wind many years ago any pretense of objectivity.

Barack Obama and his henchmen would not have been emboldened in their ostensible machinations to undermine an e******n and then a presidency if it were not for the fecklessness of the Republican Party

And the blind eye as well as the tacit support of the mainstream media. 

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Mar 9, 2017 00:38:03   #
PeterS
 
Doc110 wrote:
03/06/2017 The Enablers of Obama’s Wiretapping Scandal

Steve McCann
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/03/the_enablers_of_obamas_wiretapping_scandal.html

As the news of the potential wiretapping of the Trump campaign has finally found its way into the headlines

And the never-ending leaks emanating from the Obama Administration holdovers continue to be exploited,

Wh**ever national chaos and retribution that may ensue rests not only on the shoulders of the perpetrators but on enablers in a sycophantic mainstream media and a feckless Republican Party.


Since 1989 and the e******n of George H.W. Bush, the vast majority of Republicans elected to national office have chosen to worship the twin gods of civility and compromise rather than vigorously defend and promote liberty, free enterprise and limited government.  

Meanwhile, their political adversaries, the Democratic Party and the Left (now one and the same) had no such compunctions as they were determined to achieve their ends regardless of the means. 

Among the means were endless intimidation, extortion and ridicule of the Republicans in Congress or either of the two George Bushes. All this without fear of retaliation or even the slightest hint of a vigorous defense or response.


In conjunction with their accomplices in the mainstream media, Democrats quickly ascertained that any outrageous accusation on their part,

Such as that Republicans are determined to starve children, would eventuate in the near complete surrender of any opposition to their proposed policies --

All of which are now embedded in American society. 

Further, rather than support their colleagues in the Party who were oftentimes the victims of specious and malicious accusations, the spineless elites in the Republican Party sacrificed their members on the altar of civility and faux integrity.

Having experienced so much success with these tactics, it is little wonder that after nearly three decades the Democrats’ overconfidence could be their potential long-term downfall.

That eventual bridge too far may well be the wiretapping of the Trump campaign by the Obama Administration and the putting in place of the apparatus for the subsequent leaking of hitherto confidential information by the Obama holdovers.

In an effort to delay, marginalize, or destroy the Trump Administration.

Apparently, Barack Obama and his minions were supremely confident that Hillary Clinton would win.  

Or if by any remote chance she did not, the assumption seemingly was that Trump and the Republicans would be their usual spineless selves

And succumb to the customary intimidation tactics and would never retaliate once in office. 

Additionally, the Democrats could count on the mainstream media never exposing their treachery.


Despite all their voluminous opposition research and Trump’s own words, the Obama-Clinton cabal, brimming with overconfidence,

Refused to accept the reality that he was not a prototypical Republican or someone easily extorted.   

Any cursory review of his business career and tactics would have disabused them of that mindset. 


Had Obama not been so arrogant, he would have realized if his administration pushed for the wiretapping of his political rival in a contested e******n campaign that Hillary had better damn well win or Trump could and would retaliate once in office. 

As the President of the United States can declassify and make public anything he so chooses,

Obama’s allies in the media would not be able to sweep the potential scandal under the rug.

That hypothetical eventuality may have come to pass as President Trump has decided to use the power of his office to expose the potential duplicity and unscrupulous behavior of the Obama Administration in the wiretapping of his campaign. 

A story first reported last November in an expose by the website Heat Street and followed up by The Guardian (UK) in January.    


There is another component in this intrigue that is part and parcel of the overall Obama deviousness.  

On January 12, 2017, a week before Trump was inaugurated, in a dramatic reversal of a longstanding policy, Obama issued an executive order allowing the NSA to share with 16 other agencies, filled with Obama holdovers, vast amount of data gathered on private American citizens.

Data collected without warrants, court orders or congressional authorizations. 

Thus, assuring that innumerable leaks, such as those surrounding General Mike Flynn and others in the Trump Administration, could occur. 

The wiretapping and the deliberate strategy to undermine one’s successor are perhaps the most egregious political actions by any president in American history, far surpassing Watergate or the Teapot Dome scandals. 

In fact, they are tactics that would have been applauded by some of the despots of the past century.

Complicit in this skullduggery is the mainstream media. 


For the past forty years, they have been virtually unquestioning in their dealings with the Democrats while vilifying the Republicans at every turn. 

They became, in essence, the Praetorian Guard for the Democratic Party, allowing its members to get away with virtually anything. 

The latest example is the mainstream media’s willfully choosing to ignore the wiretapping reports already in the alternative and foreign media while gleefully accepting the leaks in their collusion with the Democratic Party elites. 


There is little doubt that the media in this nation is now more polarized than ever.   

As its traditional income sources evaporate, the mainstream media is increasingly dependent on web traffic for advertising revenue. 

Therefore, the incentive is either to produce and promote sensationalism or publish stories tailored for a specific audience regardless of the overall veracity in reporting.

Jonah Goldberg at National Review recently explored this phenomenon (as he noted the following at the Washington Post):

http://nationalreview.com/g-file/445477/jeff-sessions-media-bias-donald-trump-age" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/445477/jeff-sessions-media-bias-donald-trump-agehttp://nationalreview.com/g-file/445477/jeff-sessions-media-bias-donald-trump-age

(Ben Domenech) told me the Post has a giant screen on the wall of the newsroom that displays in real-time their web traffic. 

Ben noted that nearly all the most read stories were anti-Trump. 

He asked whether we can rely on the press to be objective when market incentives are for Trump-bashing all the time.

The media in the United States is now split between the anti-Trump and pro-Trump venues. 

During the previous 8 years, the mainstream media was almost exclusively pro-Obama primarily because of ideology and today they are almost exclusively anti-Trump primarily because of revenue.  

As a counterweight, there is now a significant pro-Trump media, chiefly on the internet, which also relies on web traffic for their livelihood.  

The schism is now a fait accompli and will not be reversed anytime soon. 

Unfortunately, the anti-Trump media is still dominant but seemingly hellbent on losing that status, as they have tossed to the wind many years ago any pretense of objectivity.

Barack Obama and his henchmen would not have been emboldened in their ostensible machinations to undermine an e******n and then a presidency if it were not for the fecklessness of the Republican Party

And the blind eye as well as the tacit support of the mainstream media. 
03/06/2017 The Enablers of Obama’s Wiretapping Sca... (show quote)

There's an Obama wiretapping scandal? You don't listen to the news very much do you doc. You should try it out. You would be amazed by what you would hear...

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Mar 9, 2017 03:57:49   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
PeterS wrote:


There's an Obama wiretapping scandal?

You don't listen to the news very much do you doc.

You should try it out.

You would be amazed by what you would hear...



PeterSmuckForeskin,

A very poor attempt at sarcasm and the Straw-Man fallacy, you have proven my point,

You are the most ignorant stupidest l*****t troll individual on the OPP forum, are you sure your not related to KKH1 aka ProgressiveOne.

The same similar MO, egocentric opinions and childish rants, on this forum all you do is foment strife and conflict.

You're never interested in finding out the t***h, always always the same old repeating snowflake crybaby record.

Your just a lonely l*****t voice crying out in the wilderness. . .


PeterSmuckForeskin, you're like a bad penny that keeps on showing up and takes up the time and energy of people genuinely interested in legitimate debate.

You think you're being suave and sophisticated, and smart, your none of those things. . .


Maybe PeterSmuckForeskin you should just give up, when your finally become aware that no one else on this forum likes you.


You proved my point, You have nothing constructive to say, and rant and rave about what ?

Come on snow flake read the article and show your reasoning, humor and whit . . . but as usual your a lousy ignorant lout with nothing to say, a l*****t obstructionist . .

Hey is that a liberal burger king hat on your head . . . just kidding . . . by golly it is a liberal burger king hat on your head . . . LOL

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Mar 9, 2017 06:00:20   #
zombietracker Loc: Fema region 6
 
Doc110 wrote:
PeterSmuckForeskin,

A very poor attempt at sarcasm and the Straw-Man fallacy, you have proven my point,

You are the most ignorant stupidest l*****t troll individual on the OPP forum, are you sure your not related to KKH1 aka ProgressiveOne.

The same similar MO, egocentric opinions and childish rants, on this forum all you do is foment strife and conflict.

You're never interested in finding out the t***h, always always the same old repeating snowflake crybaby record.

Your just a lonely l*****t voice crying out in the wilderness. . .


PeterSmuckForeskin, you're like a bad penny that keeps on showing up and takes up the time and energy of people genuinely interested in legitimate debate.

You think you're being suave and sophisticated, and smart, your none of those things. . .


Maybe PeterSmuckForeskin you should just give up, when your finally become aware that no one else on this forum likes you.


You proved my point, You have nothing constructive to say, and rant and rave about what ?

Come on snow flake read the article and show your reasoning, humor and whit . . . but as usual your a lousy ignorant lout with nothing to say, a l*****t obstructionist . .

Hey is that a liberal burger king hat on your head . . . just kidding . . . by golly it is a liberal burger king hat on your head . . . LOL
PeterSmuckForeskin, br br A very poor attempt at... (show quote)


Doc... that was beautiful. I can't stand that guy

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Mar 9, 2017 06:00:40   #
PeterS
 
Doc110 wrote:
PeterSmuckForeskin,

A very poor attempt at sarcasm and the Straw-Man fallacy, you have proven my point,

There is no sarcasm doc--you implied that there was a scandal but a scandal requires more then a early morning twitter attack by a deranged president. For there to be a scandal there needs to be some kind of evidence to support it. There isn't, thus my statement--"There's an Obama wiretapping scandal?"

Quote:
You are the most ignorant stupidest l*****t troll individual on the OPP forum, are you sure your not related to KKH1 aka ProgressiveOne.

The same similar MO, egocentric opinions and childish rants, on this forum all you do is foment strife and conflict.

You're never interested in finding out the t***h, always always the same old repeating snowflake crybaby record.

Your just a lonely l*****t voice crying out in the wilderness. . .


Oh come now doc, you aren't looking for t***h, you are looking for people to agree with you and nothing more. Don't get so twisted because there are those who don't agree with your ramblings--this is a big country, there is going to be disagreement. As for my compatriots, I am proud to be associated with them. Liberalism is the ideology that founded this country and an ideology that conservatives have been trying to conform to for 240 years. So far you are to how we thought in 1800. In a thousand years you might be where we are today...

And why all the insults doc? You're sitting there calling me childish when you are behaving like a three year old. Christ, you're a grown man and supposedly educated. Why don't you try to act like it.

Quote:
PeterSmuckForeskin, you're like a bad penny that keeps on showing up and takes up the time and energy of people genuinely interested in legitimate debate.

You think you're being suave and sophisticated, and smart, your none of those things. . .


What do you want to debate doc? Trump is feeling the heat from the beginning investigation into his activities with the Russians. He sits there and reads Breitbart and spins the story of Obama wiretapping as a diversion. He's asked to present evidence and his response is for congress to waste their time investigating. Well if he has proof that Obama wiretapped him wouldn't it be a good idea to give it to Congress?

So what in that is there to debate? So far there is evidence that Trump was in contact with the Russians, through Manafort, all the way back to April of last year. We have a known Russian operative, Konstantin Kilimnik, who says the first release from Wikileaks was in return for Trump getting the RNC platform changed on the Ukraine--further releases we don't know. There is partial corroboration of that by Trump officials stating that they pressured the RNC to change their platform on the Ukraine. Below are links that corroborate my assertions. Your response is going to discredit them somehow or you are going to try to discredit me through denigration. That's not a debate doc which is why your intent has never been to start one. You are simply trying to shore up your very wobbly president by throwing out enough BS to deflect from the t***h that is nibbling at his very shaky ass.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/trump-lawyer-ukraine-peace-deal/
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/488876597/how-the-trump-campaign-weakened-the-republican-platform-on-aid-to-ukraine
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/everyday-a-new-piece-falls-into-place-maddow-brilliantly-spells-out-the-trump-russia-connection/

Quote:
Maybe PeterSmuckForeskin you should just give up, when your finally become aware that no one else on this forum likes you.


You proved my point, You have nothing constructive to say, and rant and rave about what ?

Come on snow flake read the article and show your reasoning, humor and whit . . . but as usual your a lousy ignorant lout with nothing to say, a l*****t obstructionist . .

Hey is that a liberal burger king hat on your head . . . just kidding . . . by golly it is a liberal burger king hat on your head . . . LOL
Maybe PeterSmuckForeskin you should just give up, ... (show quote)

Again, you're the one claiming debate and the only thing you offer is a very poor attempt to demean and denigrate other's. Point proven, indeed...

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Mar 9, 2017 06:05:05   #
PeterS
 
zombietracker wrote:
Doc... that was beautiful. I can't stand that guy


Is that all you have to offer? I'm right here. You are welcome to address me in person. BTW, Doc says he wants a debate. Perhaps you would like to debate the topic instead of just agreeing on how someone denigrates others...

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Mar 9, 2017 07:00:07   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
There is no sarcasm doc--you implied that there was a scandal but a scandal requires more then a early morning twitter attack by a deranged president. For there to be a scandal there needs to be some kind of evidence to support it. There isn't, thus my statement--"There's an Obama wiretapping scandal?"
Yes, there is.

This is far deeper that an early morning tweet. Thanks to the reporting from the l*****t media, it all begins in June 2016, long before the e******n. This will be a really difficult thing for you to watch, Pete, but if you want to see the evidence presented, then suffer through it. If this is too much of a burden for you, then do your own research into the media archives--NYT, McClatchey, WaPo, NBC, CNN, et al.

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Mar 9, 2017 08:00:33   #
zombietracker Loc: Fema region 6
 
PeterS wrote:
Again, you're the one claiming debate and the only thing you offer is a very poor attempt to demean and denigrate other's. Point proven, indeed...


Your sources are CNN, NPR, and Rawstory??? Please, why so gullible to believe their propaganda???

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Mar 9, 2017 09:27:18   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yes, there is.

This is far deeper that an early morning tweet. Thanks to the reporting from the l*****t media, it all begins in June 2016, long before the e******n. This will be a really difficult thing for you to watch, Pete, but if you want to see the evidence presented, then suffer through it. If this is too much of a burden for you, then do your own research into the media archives--NYT, McClatchey, WaPo, NBC, CNN, et al.

So you are telling me it's just a coincidence that his tweets coincided when Breitbart published their BS?

And in listening to Levin...

This is the quote that Trump seems to be working off: “American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial t***sactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.”

1) Where does it say Trump Tower is wiretapped and that it was ordered by Obama? 2) Shouldn't Trump be more concerned that the intelligence communities are investigating his activities with the Russians?

This seems more like a red herring to me so we don't discuss the more serious topic of his involvement with Russia. The latest to come out is that Konstantin Kilimnik is stating that Trump had the RNC alter their platform on the Ukraine in exchange for Russia releasing the first batch of emails of the DNC. That's a fairly serious accusation and if there turns out to be anything in Steeles dossier then there is no question Trump will be impeached and he may be our first president to end up in jail.

If you have the stomach for it listen to the following. It's two parts but well worth listening to...

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/everyday-a-new-piece-falls-into-place-maddow-brilliantly-spells-out-the-trump-russia-connection/

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Mar 9, 2017 09:28:16   #
PeterS
 
zombietracker wrote:
Your sources are CNN, NPR, and Rawstory??? Please, why so gullible to believe their propaganda???


No more gullible than you following Breitbart and Fox news...

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Mar 9, 2017 10:26:11   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
PeterS wrote:
No more gullible than you following Breitbart and Fox news...


Pete-why do you keep negating what your sacred news outlets have already admitted to? There was
wiretapping/hacking (call it what you wish), the Flynn conversation was recorded and leaked. Do you
think the Obama administration might have been involved or did Reince Priebus order the tapping ? Which
makes sense to you ? You need to get out more or at least expand your horizons beyond CNN and the NYT.
There is an entire world waiting to be explored and there is life beyond the liberal f**e news media. Become
enlightened-try FOX. America First !!!

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Mar 9, 2017 14:54:00   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
PeterS wrote:
Again, you're the one claiming debate and the only thing you offer is a very poor attempt to demean and denigrate other's. Point proven, indeed...


You need to pay attention to more than your lefty news. I think by now you should be wise to how they lead you by the nose and tell you how to think, but apparently the media stooges have correctly figured you out to be a follower.

The record has been exposed. Twice Lynch signed the FISA Surveillance request to tapp Trumps server.

Since 2009 there have been something over 10,700 FISA requests from the Obama administration and only 2 denied. Lynch's first request to spy on Trump was one of those 2. Sounds like she had to scratch for a reason and considering the composition of the FISA court, it should have been a given. After refining the request to narrow its parameters, it was finally approved.

Now, there is no debate regarding IF Trump was spied on during the campaign. HE WAS!

There can be 2 points of contention. If he was or wasn't spied on is not one of them.

1. Does Obama have a record of spying in huge numbers?
A. 10,700+ requests say yes.

2. Does he take the blame?
A. The president controlled his administration. You can try to weasel out by saying it was Lynch who signed both requests.

The fact is that for everything you say was good, you give Obama the credit because it was his administration.

That works both ways. It was his administration and the buck stops at his desk making him responsible for all actions, exactly as you are claiming against Trump every time someone in his administration coughs.

Plus, the FISA court is an 11 judge panel ALL appointed during the Obama administration.

Ergo: Obama spied on Trump during the campaign. A totally unethical abuse of.power which now is surfacing to bite him severely.

And it is just beginning. Another investigation is brewing to look into the Obama CIA's tech manipulation of Samsung TVs and the computer systems of certain makes of autos leading to wrongful death by assasination.

You can deny all you wish but your denial cannot alter fact. I'm interested in how you will deal with the next step in these issues.

The evidence is mounting that shows Obama to be corrupt and an illegal abuser of p**********l authority. If/when the issue if brought to justice, you and your compadres will be forced to make a decision as to whether you will become part of the solution or part of the problem.

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Mar 9, 2017 15:13:34   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
PeterS wrote:
So you are telling me it's just a coincidence that his tweets coincided when Breitbart published their BS?

And in listening to Levin...

This is the quote that Trump seems to be working off: “American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial t***sactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.”

1) Where does it say Trump Tower is wiretapped and that it was ordered by Obama? 2) Shouldn't Trump be more concerned that the intelligence communities are investigating his activities with the Russians?

This seems more like a red herring to me so we don't discuss the more serious topic of his involvement with Russia. The latest to come out is that Konstantin Kilimnik is stating that Trump had the RNC alter their platform on the Ukraine in exchange for Russia releasing the first batch of emails of the DNC. That's a fairly serious accusation and if there turns out to be anything in Steeles dossier then there is no question Trump will be impeached and he may be our first president to end up in jail.

If you have the stomach for it listen to the following. It's two parts but well worth listening to...

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/everyday-a-new-piece-falls-into-place-maddow-brilliantly-spells-out-the-trump-russia-connection/
So you are telling me it's just a coincidence that... (show quote)


If Trump has no undue connection to Russia why would he worry?

Would you rather we explore the connection between Hillary/Russia and the uranium deal?

Or the 22 times Obama was visited by the same Russian ambassador that you think was so terrible to have talked to Sessions twice...one of which was a chance few seconds long hello with a small GROUP of ambassadirs following a speech by Sessions at a RNC meeting as he was leaving? Or the one other time Sessions talked to that ambassador as a Senator at a meeting arranged by Obama?

You love to make mountains out of molehills and cast aspersions, so let's go. Tell me about those scenarios.

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Mar 9, 2017 19:16:47   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Docadhoc wrote:
If Trump has no undue connection to Russia why would he worry?

Would you rather we explore the connection between Hillary/Russia and the uranium deal?

Or the 22 times Obama was visited by the same Russian ambassador that you think was so terrible to have talked to Sessions twice...one of which was a chance few seconds long hello with a small GROUP of ambassadirs following a speech by Sessions at a RNC meeting as he was leaving? Or the one other time Sessions talked to that ambassador as a Senator at a meeting arranged by Obama?

You love to make mountains out of molehills and cast aspersions, so let's go. Tell me about those scenarios.
If Trump has no undue connection to Russia why wou... (show quote)


Peter-how about using a little common sense? Trump probably erred in not accusing the Obama administration as opposed to Obama himself but that is a moot point. What is really important is that there is a mole somewhere who is leaking classified information. That person could well be a disgruntled republican but whomever it is needs to be exposed and prosecuted. This is not about party but about security of this country. The Session hoopla is plain old partisan BS and everyone knows it. I recognize that democrats do not seem to be too concerned about leaking classified info as long as it is done by one of theirs. That is the Swamp which needs draining. Anyone of either party who is not loyal enough to this country to keep his/her mouth shut should not be working at any intelligence agency.
Having worked in the business for 15years I can tell you that none of us would have dared even talking about classified material to include that which bore the lowest classification. We knew that exposure meant a potential sentencing to Ft. Leavenworth for many years. Today that same information has become front page news because we have blabber mouths working at the agencies. That is what has to stop. America First !!!

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Mar 10, 2017 14:38:26   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
PeterS wrote:
Again, you're the one claiming debate and the only thing you offer is a very poor attempt to demean and denigrate other's. Point proven, indeed...

Have you never noticed how often Trump is correct when making these type of statements?? Do you never learn?? You speak of a dearranged president, I will bet his IQ is much higher than yours. You do not understand people like Trump. With him, money is not that important, it is a way to keep score. My question when listening to liberals, why stp at $15/ hour?? Why not $200/ hour and everybody will be RICH!! Think all the prices will remain the same, or will they go up to reflect the wage change?? Welfare people do not think about things like that, just realists.

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