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Jan 4, 2014 14:06:07   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Scientist note how conservatives have a bigger right amygdala and liberals a bigger anterior cingulate cortex.

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"In the 16 peer-reviewed scientific studies summarized below, researchers found that liberals and conservatives have different brain structures"


http://2012e******n.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004818

http://2012e******n.procon.org/files/1-2012-e******n-images/brain_chart_final_2.jpg

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Jan 4, 2014 14:10:56   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
More from U Mass Psychology
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Conservatism is focused on preventing negative outcomes, while liberalism is focused on advancing positive outcomes.


http://2012e******n.procon.org/sourcefiles/To-Provide-or-Protect-Motivational-Bases%20of-Political-Liberalism-and-Conservatism.pdf

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Jan 4, 2014 14:54:00   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Scientist note how conservatives have a bigger right amygdala and liberals a bigger anterior cingulate cortex.



http://2012e******n.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004818

http://2012e******n.procon.org/files/1-2012-e******n-images/brain_chart_final_2.jpg


Very interesting, UncleJesse! I'm curious to see how the conservatives on here view these studies, even though there is nothing criticizing them. I think both camps should recognize themselves. They include useful information, but I think they confirm what many have already concluded. Thanks for this posting!

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Jan 4, 2014 15:20:49   #
Ve'hoe
 
Like most psychology,,, so what?? Interesting, but what? RETCWO has already said, and I agree, this is firmly established here already.
The real question, like most military actions, is "Where to get the funding" (unfortunately, that is where most battles are won or lost., on the budget table)
Same for our political battles,,, we are out of funding, but not of "good ideas". One of my jobs in the military was to try to figure out for my 4 Star, the real live, ranking of all missions,,, Everyone THOUGHT they were critical,,, nobody wanted to be number TWO.... but the reality was we only had money for one or two protection ideas, So the boss had to know definitvely where and what to spend the last nickel on... it couldn't be wasted, and there was no more..
That is kind of where society is finding itself.

I understand, but I wonder if others do how budgets expand... as a Govt Program mgr you get a bunch of orders, to do "something,,, nobody starts out to solve world hunger,,, but the mission "creeps" a few little demands here, or a "wouldn't it be nice if I had access to all phone records" there,,,, and the next thing you know,, you are trying to do a lot more than originally designed.
NObody starts out to hose the next guy, it is really intended to help, but the govt tends to overstep, and for instance the NSA,, while it performs a service that according to this article SHOULD feed and succor the conservative psyche, it has the opposite effect....

That is what I mean, by "So what" not that it is worthless but what the hell do you actually do with it??

RetNavyCWO wrote:
Very interesting, UncleJesse! I'm curious to see how the conservatives on here view these studies, even though there is nothing criticizing them. I think both camps should recognize themselves. They include useful information, but I think they confirm what many have already concluded. Thanks for this posting!

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Jan 4, 2014 16:55:42   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Like most psychology,,, so what??
That is what I mean, by "So what" not that it is worthless but what the hell do you actually do with it??


I agree...so what? We can say "so what" about a lot of interesting stuff, though, even if we don't find it useful. They say that one cannot be too rich or too thin. I think we can add to that "...or too old...or too smart!"

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Jan 4, 2014 18:22:53   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Thanks for the comment RetNavyCWO!
I think they can consider stopping the name calling and understanding their brains make them think differently. Neither one is stupid or mentally deficient - they are motivated by either preventing negative or advancing positive consequences. I guess us moderates just shake our heads trying to figure both of them out.

RetNavyCWO wrote:
Very interesting, UncleJesse! I'm curious to see how the conservatives on here view these studies, even though there is nothing criticizing them. I think both camps should recognize themselves. They include useful information, but I think they confirm what many have already concluded. Thanks for this posting!

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Jan 4, 2014 18:54:27   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Thanks for the comment RetNavyCWO!
I think they can consider stopping the name calling and understanding their brains make them think differently. Neither one is stupid or mentally deficient - they are motivated by either preventing negative or advancing positive consequences. I guess us moderates just shake our heads trying to figure both of them out.


Since my first response, I have been thinking something similar. Seems to me that since conservatives and liberals might see things differently because of the way their brains are wired, there is not much likelihood that either will change their views because of anything they read here. (Tho any of us here could have told us that!)

I doubt that there's any way to stop the name-calling and nastiness, though. I think those who do it enjoy it -- makes them feel powerful!

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Jan 4, 2014 19:20:34   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Since my first response, I have been thinking something similar. Seems to me that since conservatives and liberals might see things differently because of the way their brains are wired, there is not much likelihood that either will change their views because of anything they read here. (Tho any of us here could have told us that!)

I doubt that there's any way to stop the name-calling and nastiness, though. I think those who do it enjoy it -- makes them feel powerful!


I actually find it a lack of thorough reading. Individuals, me included, take a single word, phrase and so on, latch onto it and make a determination. Sometimes such is appropriate. Other times, you need to place it in full context. Then there is the presumption based on geographical location or family background. I do not have enough digits or appendages to count the number of times I have been declared a home schooled, creationist, bigot simply because I am a Southern, white, Christian female. By the way, my neck is not red but a delicate shade of cream.

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Jan 4, 2014 21:23:03   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 


Could I put it this way:

Conservative can I keep what I have? Liberal can I have a bit of the pie?

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Jan 4, 2014 21:31:38   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
More like:
Conservative - if everyone gets pie there will be none left
Liberal - everyone should get at least a taste of the pie
Moderate - if I get some pie, great; if not, didn't need it anyway.
Floyd Brown wrote:
Could I put it this way:

Conservative can I keep what I have? Liberal can I have a bit of the pie?

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Jan 4, 2014 21:48:25   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Scientist note how conservatives have a bigger right amygdala and liberals a bigger anterior cingulate cortex.



http://2012e******n.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004818

http://2012e******n.procon.org/files/1-2012-e******n-images/brain_chart_final_2.jpg


Jesse, Your report is upside down and backwards.

Our activities create changes in our brain. It doesn't create changes in us.

You perhaps, didn't notice, but the Director of the ProCon.com site on which you preposed this topic is on the Board of UCLA, and of the ACLU. He absolutely has the credentials of a Liberal.

I learned years ago in reading a biographical critique of Dr. Alfred Kinsey, by Dr. Judith Reisman, that constantly viewing something stimulating and guilt inducing, in his case, pornography, creates actual changes to the brain.

A Liberal constantly pursuing hedonistic pleasures, especially those giving him an illusion of power, as the ProCon.com report indicates, would create changes to his long term memory, emulating an addiction,encouraging the constant pursuit of that which his conscience knows is wrong,liberal causes, infant homicide, a******l sex, the destruction of the health system, legalization of erotic drugs, and of euthanasia.

In the case of Conservatives, who do not pursue a******l sex or the legalization of illegal practices, but instead tries to curtail the evil in society, the brain retains its relaxed normality.

Compare the excerpt below, with the emphasis on pleasure, reward, and the release of dopamine. It's not exactly the same, as I understand we are not specifically discussing pornography, but the resultant change to the brain is certainly similar to the experience of the Liberal outlined in the study you're highlighting.

Incidentally, what is your definition of a "moderate?"

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By Mohamed Ghilan, UVic Neuroscience


It is now recognized in neuroscience that the brain is malleable. It changes with our experience and forms pathways and connections that correlate with what we watch, listen to, and learn. From the active engagement in a philosophical discussion in class to the learning of directions in the new city you moved into; even the seemingly passive sitting down to listen to music or watch television results in a constant formation of new connections in the brain that eventually make us who we are as individuals. A huge problem, albeit a silent one, that has reached epidemic proportions is the viewing of pornography, which affects men more so than it does women.

The great majority of articles on the problematic nature of this subject typically speak about it from a psychological and/or social perspective. This article, however, will shed light on the effects of viewing pornography from a neuroscience perspective.

The current model explaining how we learn and remember things at the brain level uses synaptic plasticity as the basis. Synaptic plasticity is the ability of the brain to change the strength in connections between the neurons (brain cells) in response to experience. This involves changing the amount and types of receptors expressed, as well as the amount of neurot***smitters (communication molecules) being released.

A vital neurot***smitter in the brain is dopamine. It has many important roles that it serves in functions such as voluntary movement, motivation, reward, punishment, and learning. Dopamine has been implicated in children with ADHD, cognitive decline due to aging, and depression. Most of the public’s knowledge about dopamine is about famous individuals with Parkinson’s disease such as Muhammad Ali and Michael J Fox, who have dopamine dysfunction pathology.

A vital role for dopamine is in pleasure experience, reward, and learning. Drugs such as cocaine target the dopaminergic system to release great amounts of dopamine which results in experiencing a “high,” often leading to addiction. A number of studies have implicated dopamine in either the anticipation or the direct experience of pleasure. Depending on the brain area, dopamine can be released either prior to or during the moments of heightened pleasure. When released, dopamine strengthens and reinforces the new connections that are being made in the brain while an activity is undertaken. This in turn acts to encourage the individual to repeat the activity again so they can feel that pleasure once more.

How is this relevant to pornography? As the images are displayed on the screen, an arousal takes place and the dopaminergic system is triggered just like it would be by drugs such as cocaine. The newly formed connections in the brain from watching pornographic images become greatly reinforced by the massive amounts of dopamine being released. Rather than going into short term memory, where these images can be forgotten after the screen is turned off, the dopamine reinforcement ensures they’re moved into the long-term memory stores where they can be stuck in replay mode in the person’s mind. The troublesome fact about this is that the more something is recalled, the more it solidifies it in the brain. Think back to your school days when you studied for an exam – you repeated the statements you needed to memorize over and over until they stuck.
By Mohamed Ghilan, UVic Neuroscience br br br It... (show quote)


Constant reiteration, in this method is classical brain washing, or as Michael Savage titled one of his NY Times best sellers, "Liberalism Is A Mental Disease."

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Jan 4, 2014 21:50:42   #
Artemis
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Could I put it this way:

Conservative can I keep what I have? Liberal can I have a bit of the pie?


Seems just another way to profile and segment people, another generalizations, someone will find use for to be sure.

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Jan 4, 2014 21:51:59   #
Ve'hoe
 
I could use a little "too thin" for a while...


RetNavyCWO wrote:
I agree...so what? We can say "so what" about a lot of interesting stuff, though, even if we don't find it useful. They say that one cannot be too rich or too thin. I think we can add to that "...or too old...or too smart!"

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Jan 4, 2014 22:25:07   #
Ve'hoe
 
It is actually healthier, if the two compliment each other,,, however, the fight always begins when one side feels ignored or disenfranchised,,, that is the problem when you do what you THINK is normal, but don't contact the wife,,, then all of the sudden, what you thought was gonna get you a good husband award,,, gets you clobbered....

There was a really good show once, I think called "Little Nikita" and the Russian operative said something profound.... " Nothing Changes!!" That's what the bible is REALLY all about. We think we have new problems but we don't.

RetNavyCWO wrote:
Since my first response, I have been thinking something similar. Seems to me that since conservatives and liberals might see things differently because of the way their brains are wired, there is not much likelihood that either will change their views because of anything they read here. (Tho any of us here could have told us that!)

I doubt that there's any way to stop the name-calling and nastiness, though. I think those who do it enjoy it -- makes them feel powerful!

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Jan 4, 2014 22:30:59   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Zemirah wrote:
Constant reiteration, in this method is classical brain washing, or as Michael Savage titled one of his NY Times best sellers, "Liberalism Is A Mental Disease."


Zemi! The psych papers are peer reviewed and founded strictly on observations of experiment results. I appreciate the opinion of this neurologist but I know that brain neuron plasticity has to do with recovery of brain functions after damage and although there is a link with certain neurons that are receptors for dopamine, the link is only that they both mention the word neuron. His logic applied to serotonin or tryptophan would mean brain altering plasticity from laughter or eating turkey because there are neuron receptors for them too. Anyway, it was nice to get your reply and regarding 'what are moderates' ... We see potential bad or potential good as they are: they are mostly 'what-ifs' and just because it could be true doesn't make it that way and sometimes youre better off trying to change than no change at all while other times it ain't worth the trouble.

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