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Feb 28, 2017 04:05:40   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
Not sure if I knew enough about politics, I mean really studied, that I could possibly pick one side or the other. And pardon my ignorance, but it seems really silly to align ideologically. What is the point? I believe we are meant to think for ourselves. We are responsible to access with integrity any question or problem. To be pre-disposed to a solution based on anything is to forsake the God-given gift of reason. We will never be perfect in our discernment, yet discriminatory factors that may weigh in favor one way or the other must not prevail without thorough examination. And I am not talking about being objective. None of us will ever be objective, and we shouldn't be. Life is not a science. Certain ideals must guide us, first among these for me--for me!--is what is for the greatest or common good. This is a very complex consideration. Appeasement, for the less considerate, seems the peaceful and just path. Yet this can lead to all sorts of complications and harm. There is no formula (and no party platform) that can address properly all the myriad of questions and difficulties facing maintaining a true Republic.
Not sure if I knew enough about politics, I mean r... (show quote)



If you have a entire group of individuals that all desire to rape, burn, destroy, murder, steal, lie, and do any criminal act known to mankind and they call their group by a "political name", I fail to see anyone not taking a stand against such violence and evil. So I have to place the lefties in that line....it is what they do. You do not place them there, nor do I or anyone outside their party...THEY place themselves there and love doing it!

So I have no problem letting it be known, as to how much I support getting rid of all these scum bags.

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Feb 28, 2017 04:07:37   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
American Only brought up a great point I had not considered before: party affiliation. Told you I was naive. He said "lefties are the enemies of humanity." He has more experience than me so he may be right. Yet perhaps from naivete I question the whole idea of being Left or Right? What is the point in saying I am pre-disposed or prejudice this way or that by such a declaration? I have to say I really do not understand. My mind, such as it is and I am blonde, cannot grasp the need to announce a clear bias of thought by the label of Left or Right. If as a Jew or atheist or Buddhist left for dead upon the road and someone gave me aid and comfort and exceptional care, would I object if I had known that person was a Samaritan, would I have refused? Pre-suppositions about other people can often hurt ourselves. Conservative or Liberal, we are still just humans. Why not approach everything as simply humans, not this or that type of humans. Let's work wholeheartedly for humanity, not some political interest or agenda. Too blonde? I will shut up now.

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Feb 28, 2017 04:32:09   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
America Only wrote:
If you have a entire group of individuals that all desire to rape, burn, destroy, murder, steal, lie, and do any criminal act known to mankind and they call their group by a "political name", I fail to see anyone not taking a stand against such violence and evil. So I have to place the lefties in that line....it is what they do. You do not place them there, nor do I or anyone outside their party...THEY place themselves there and love doing it!

So I have no problem letting it be known, as to how much I support getting rid of all these scum bags.
If you have a entire group of individuals that all... (show quote)


Okay. Did not mean to upset you. "Getting my legs," so to speak. I am mostly Irish heritage. There is this vague memory of my great grandmother talking about the prejudice against the Irish when she got here. Signs in storefronts that read "Irish need not apply." It almost put me to sleep. Just a modern Grimm fairy-tale. There was no evidence of such in my life. But in school I later learned that she was right. Major news outlets regularly posted what terrible people the Irish Catholics were. Not quite your description of the Left but close. It was wrong 98% of the time. The enemy is always demonized by those in power or with a desire for power. This is how we get pogroms and genocide down through the ages. Again, we need to think for ourselves and not be swayed or overwhelmed by ideologies.

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Feb 28, 2017 06:36:47   #
rebob14
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pretty much my life. Politics was all about whether to allow snowboarders or not: what else could possibly matter? I might even have found it tough to name the president. Then I had a horrific accident on the slopes five years ago. In a coma for almost three months and woke up with partial paralysis to my right side. I did not take it well--and finally got the moniker of "Winona Whyner" (my first name is Winona) after months of non-stop complaining and self-pity. But the accident was a good thing, well, eventually. It took a year, or more like two, I guess, before I came to accept my fate and began to move on. If not for family and friends that never deserted me but never got out of my face about my 'complaining and self-pity,' I would not have the wonderful life I have today. I want to give life as it was unselfishly given to me. The reason I am here is to try and inject hope into our politics in this country. After my injuries and slow recovery, I finally began to notice how divided our nation was, and it was not all about snowboards or skis. Impossible to say now if I may make a difference, but I am here to try. I use these pictures of when I was younger as a symbol of my knowledge on politics.
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Welcome aboard...........I was into my sixties before I started to wake up. My daughter bought me a book that started a two year history crawl that continues today. Learning about the fundamentals of western civilization and the true facts of the American founding was a revelation to me and gave me the tools to pass some knowledge on to my grandchildren.

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Feb 28, 2017 06:37:46   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pretty much my life. Politics was all about whether to allow snowboarders or not: what else could possibly matter? I might even have found it tough to name the president. Then I had a horrific accident on the slopes five years ago. In a coma for almost three months and woke up with partial paralysis to my right side. I did not take it well--and finally got the moniker of "Winona Whyner" (my first name is Winona) after months of non-stop complaining and self-pity. But the accident was a good thing, well, eventually. It took a year, or more like two, I guess, before I came to accept my fate and began to move on. If not for family and friends that never deserted me but never got out of my face about my 'complaining and self-pity,' I would not have the wonderful life I have today. I want to give life as it was unselfishly given to me. The reason I am here is to try and inject hope into our politics in this country. After my injuries and slow recovery, I finally began to notice how divided our nation was, and it was not all about snowboards or skis. Impossible to say now if I may make a difference, but I am here to try. I use these pictures of when I was younger as a symbol of my knowledge on politics.
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pr... (show quote)

I spent years in the Rockies. I have been skiing twice. Snowshoed quite a bit. You will find all kinds here, right wing, left wing, and wing nut.
Opinions differ and tempers flare. It's better than the apathy and ignorance that infects most of the e*****rate. At least people here care enough to get pissed off. Since you showed your baby pictures, I thought I would show one of my first birthday. You see, I, too, was adorable. At least I think so. Welcome to OPP. Jump right in when you have something to say.



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Feb 28, 2017 06:38:09   #
Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
Not sure if I knew enough about politics, I mean really studied, that I could possibly pick one side or the other. And pardon my ignorance, but it seems really silly to align ideologically. What is the point? I believe we are meant to think for ourselves. We are responsible to access with integrity any question or problem. To be pre-disposed to a solution based on anything is to forsake the God-given gift of reason. We will never be perfect in our discernment, yet discriminatory factors that may weigh in favor one way or the other must not prevail without thorough examination. And I am not talking about being objective. None of us will ever be objective, and we shouldn't be. Life is not a science. Certain ideals must guide us, first among these for me--for me!--is what is for the greatest or common good. This is a very complex consideration. Appeasement, for the less considerate, seems the peaceful and just path. Yet this can lead to all sorts of complications and harm. There is no formula (and no party platform) that can address properly all the myriad of questions and difficulties facing maintaining a true Republic.
Not sure if I knew enough about politics, I mean r... (show quote)


You seem a level-headed young woman. Welcome. You will find some of the men tend to be potty-mouthed. Just ignore it: they DO NOT listen when asked to clean it up. Some of them even manage to say something that makes sense sometimes.

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Feb 28, 2017 06:45:32   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Quakerwidow wrote:
You seem a level-headed young woman. Welcome. You will find some of the men tend to be potty-mouthed. Just ignore it: they DO NOT listen when asked to clean it up. Some of them even manage to say something that makes sense sometimes.


I hope I am included in the sensible section. There are advantages to being a potty mouth; think of how clean your mouth is after all that soap.

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Feb 28, 2017 06:52:22   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
America Only wrote:
If you have a entire group of individuals that all desire to rape, burn, destroy, murder, steal, lie, and do any criminal act known to mankind and they call their group by a "political name", I fail to see anyone not taking a stand against such violence and evil. So I have to place the lefties in that line....it is what they do. You do not place them there, nor do I or anyone outside their party...THEY place themselves there and love doing it!

So I have no problem letting it be known, as to how much I support getting rid of all these scum bags.
If you have a entire group of individuals that all... (show quote)



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Feb 28, 2017 06:59:56   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Quakerwidow wrote:
You seem a level-headed young woman. Welcome. You will find some of the men tend to be potty-mouthed. Just ignore it: they DO NOT listen when asked to clean it up. Some of them even manage to say something that makes sense sometimes.


The next sensible thing you say will be a first, notice you said men what about the stupid woman,Alica comes to mind and of course you.

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Feb 28, 2017 07:02:09   #
eden
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
American Only brought up a great point I had not considered before: party affiliation. Told you I was naive. He said "lefties are the enemies of humanity." He has more experience than me so he may be right. Yet perhaps from naivete I question the whole idea of being Left or Right? What is the point in saying I am pre-disposed or prejudice this way or that by such a declaration? I have to say I really do not understand. My mind, such as it is and I am blonde, cannot grasp the need to announce a clear bias of thought by the label of Left or Right. If as a Jew or atheist or Buddhist left for dead upon the road and someone gave me aid and comfort and exceptional care, would I object if I had known that person was a Samaritan, would I have refused? Pre-suppositions about other people can often hurt ourselves. Conservative or Liberal, we are still just humans. Why not approach everything as simply humans, not this or that type of humans. Let's work wholeheartedly for humanity, not some political interest or agenda. Too blonde? I will shut up now.
American Only brought up a great point I had not c... (show quote)


No please don't shut up now or anytime. It's refreshing and welcome to see a call for balance and a cessation of tribal political warfare, a little humanity and planet patriotism is sorely needed on this site. As you have already seen there are some who troll this board bent on dogmatic mischief to the point of intimidation but ignore them and be your most noble self.
Welcome.

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Feb 28, 2017 07:04:54   #
MarvinSussman
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pretty much my life. Politics was all about whether to allow snowboarders or not: what else could possibly matter? I might even have found it tough to name the president. Then I had a horrific accident on the slopes five years ago. In a coma for almost three months and woke up with partial paralysis to my right side. I did not take it well--and finally got the moniker of "Winona Whyner" (my first name is Winona) after months of non-stop complaining and self-pity. But the accident was a good thing, well, eventually. It took a year, or more like two, I guess, before I came to accept my fate and began to move on. If not for family and friends that never deserted me but never got out of my face about my 'complaining and self-pity,' I would not have the wonderful life I have today. I want to give life as it was unselfishly given to me. The reason I am here is to try and inject hope into our politics in this country. After my injuries and slow recovery, I finally began to notice how divided our nation was, and it was not all about snowboards or skis. Impossible to say now if I may make a difference, but I am here to try. I use these pictures of when I was younger as a symbol of my knowledge on politics.
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pr... (show quote)


Maybe you could think about the following as a way to unite our nation:

What’s Wrong with this Logic?

To be fully prepared for war, we need the most extensive and the most advanced infrastructure, which includes our armed forces and their arsenals. It also includes all supporting civil structures and institutions: everything that is not private property.

To efficiently organize the process of building and maintaining infrastructure, each state should keep a registry of every item of existing or planned public property. Such a registry should include each item’s requirements, estimated work schedules and costs, impacts, permits, qualified contractors, contracts ready for signature, etc. In short, make each project “shovel-ready”.

While the purchasing power of a state government is limited by its tax revenue, the purchasing power of Congress is limited only by the onset of harmful inflation. Therefore, Congress should pay for all infrastructure projects, either existing or planned in agreement with Congress and the Administration. The states know their needs and, when a project is properly proposed, approved, contracted, and scheduled, Congress should write the checks.

If necessary to ensure an adequate labor supply, immigration should be encouraged. To ensure staff stability when unemployment rates are near zero, employers should include loyalty incentives in their employment contracts.

Serious faults in our infrastructure are indicated by the fact that over 75% of all applicants for military service are now rejected for deficiencies in either health or education. To ensure an adequate supply of citizens able to serve in our armed forces, Congress should also finance free health care for all and free education for all at all levels of learning, from day-care to PhD. Everyone should have an expense-paid education either before or after military service.

Nothing is wrong with this logic.

© 2017 Marvin Sussman, All rights reserved.

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Feb 28, 2017 07:05:33   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pretty much my life. Politics was all about whether to allow snowboarders or not: what else could possibly matter? I might even have found it tough to name the president. Then I had a horrific accident on the slopes five years ago. In a coma for almost three months and woke up with partial paralysis to my right side. I did not take it well--and finally got the moniker of "Winona Whyner" (my first name is Winona) after months of non-stop complaining and self-pity. But the accident was a good thing, well, eventually. It took a year, or more like two, I guess, before I came to accept my fate and began to move on. If not for family and friends that never deserted me but never got out of my face about my 'complaining and self-pity,' I would not have the wonderful life I have today. I want to give life as it was unselfishly given to me. The reason I am here is to try and inject hope into our politics in this country. After my injuries and slow recovery, I finally began to notice how divided our nation was, and it was not all about snowboards or skis. Impossible to say now if I may make a difference, but I am here to try. I use these pictures of when I was younger as a symbol of my knowledge on politics.
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pr... (show quote)


Hi Winona and welcome unless you are a liberal well I will leave it there for now but I keep getting flashes of liberals burning in the pits of hell for eternity plus one day.

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Feb 28, 2017 07:16:41   #
eden
 
Loki wrote:
I spent years in the Rockies. I have been skiing twice. Snowshoed quite a bit. You will find all kinds here, right wing, left wing, and wing nut.
Opinions differ and tempers flare. It's better than the apathy and ignorance that infects most of the e*****rate. At least people here care enough to get pissed off. Since you showed your baby pictures, I thought I would show one of my first birthday. You see, I, too, was adorable. At least I think so. Welcome to OPP. Jump right in when you have something to say.
I spent years in the Rockies. I have been skiing t... (show quote)


Original. And cute.

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Feb 28, 2017 07:17:54   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Quakerwidow wrote:
You seem a level-headed young woman. Welcome. You will find some of the men tend to be potty-mouthed. Just ignore it: they DO NOT listen when asked to clean it up. Some of them even manage to say something that makes sense sometimes.


Relatively few fall into any group of profanity-laced commenters. A note...Mark Twain is attributed to stating that "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."

One simply adapts to gleaning the good/worthy of what is presented by whom on OPP...and, toss the rest.

Welcome aboard, Winona.

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Feb 28, 2017 08:32:30   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
Welcome to the club....

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