oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Have you ever called anyone of the opposite political belief a pig? It appears that if these "scientists" have their way you may be calling a spade a spade.

Do you remember the movie about Dr. Moreau creating animal-human hybrids and what he so often got? I loved the movie so much that I read the book. I see that this group of "scientists" have set themselves up as "gods" and am sure they aren't worried about ethics. Their excuses sound so weak, to me, but may well fit with many of the left lean.


http://constitution.com/scientists-cross-ethics-boundaries-human-pig-hybrids/

kankune Loc: Iowa

Man...I don't care what u say about that or how much it may help medicine, that is JUST NOT RIGHT! Not going to end up good!!!

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I think those clowns may well turn out to be left leaners who want to piss we conservatives off. I wonder where most of there money for that place comes from. Could it be from my pocket along with yours?

kankune Loc: Iowa

I'm sure it does, Oldroy. Well....we could look at it this way. That thing would scare the heck out of muslims....ya know how they are with pork!!!

pafret Loc: Northeast

What irony, if this becomes the norm they will never be able to get an organ t***splant. Aside from that, the moral implications are mind boggling. Science has already been able to keep human tissues alive for extended time if not indefinitely. The debris from those experiments was treated as human body parts. There was life but what kind of life? Certainly not sentient, and if you consider that there are many forms of life each of which has an animating principle it becomes obvious there is a large difference in souls.

From Thomistic Psychology:

"Thomistic Psychology

The Aristotelian/Thomistic account of the soul is part and parcel of Natural Philosophy. It makes use, therefore, of the notions of matter and form, potency and act. Aristotle defines the soul as the act of a natural body with the capacity for life; and as the first act of a natural organic body. Soul is thus the formal cause of the animal, the efficient cause of its motions, as well as its final cause. The body cannot be the principle that accounts for life, since a body, when deprived of life, is still a body, but not alive. The body is matter to the soul, and soul is form or act to the potentiality of the body. Moreover, the matter, i.e. the constituents that make up the body, are constantly changing while the animal persists. The animal's form or functional organization, i.e. organization of material parts by which an animal accomplishes its vital functions, remains the same. This form is the animal's soul.

There is a hierarchy of vital functions, and thus of different kinds of souls. First of all, there is the vegetative soul which accounts for the functions of nutrition and reproduction. Plants have only this kind of soul. Next, there is the sensitive soul, by which higher animals perceive and respond to their environment. This kind of soul, for some animals, also includes the power of local motion. Finally, there is the rational soul, by which humans are able to use speech and have abstract thoughts. In all of the higher kinds of organisms, the functions that were performed by lower kinds of souls are performed by the higher. Thus, there is only one soul in any particular animal even though it is has the same vegetative capacities as plants. The vegetative functions, which are performed by a plant's soul without sensitive functions, are also performed by the sensitive soul. Likewise, the rational soul is the principle also of sensitive and vegetative functions of human beings. Thus there is a hierarchy of souls and of vital functions, such that the higher souls subsume the lower, but the lower vital functions are necessary for there to be higher ones. The higher are never found without the lower, but the lower are found without the higher. Moreover, there is an interaction between the capacities that characterize higher and lower souls: a lion uses sight to find food, and moves toward the lamb it spies, which it then eats and digests so that it may chase other prey. "

That said, the pig has an animal soul, the human tissue contained within -- at this point one must question if something grown in a pig is anything other than pig. Is not the human DNA introduced into swine subsumed in the possible variants of pig DNA? If that is the case, the question is moot -- it is not human.

If on the other hand, the human DNA is not subsumed then only God can say -- the question then becomes do we have the hubris to pretend we know the mind of God.

PeterS

Everyday 22 Americans on the national donor waiting list die. Yes I agree, that is a very weak excuse for using pigs as a hybrid...

kankune Loc: Iowa

C’mon, Petie.....with all the technology we have....we can do better than that. Loosen up that crown a little....making all the blood rush out of your brain...

pafret Loc: Northeast

While you are weeping for roughly 8030 Americans per year how about a few tears for these individuals:

Induced A******n in the United States

Nearly half (45%) of all pregnancies among U.S. women in 2011 were unintended, and about four in 10 of these were terminated by a******n.[1]
Nineteen percent of pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) in 2014 ended in a******n.[1]
Approximately 926,200 a******ns were performed in 2014, down 12% from 1.06 million in 2011. In 2014, some 1.5% of women aged 15–44 had an a******n.[2]
The a******n rate in 2014 was 14.6 a******ns per 1,000 women aged 15–44, down 14% from 16.9 per 1,000 in 2011.[2] This is the lowest rate ever observed in the United States; in 1973, the year a******n became legal, the rate was 16.3.[3]

We definitely need to grow human organs in pigs, maybe we can grow the whole child unless the sow objects of course, after all it's the pigs body.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

It appears that none of our left leaners have sen your post. They talk about a woman's body and then turn around and refuse to let pigs determine what happens in theirs.

PeterS

With all the technology we have 22 people on the donor waiting list die everyday. Is that better?

PeterS

Maybe women should be like pigs--then they couldn't object...

PeterS

I wasn't aware you were trying to build a case for rights for pigs. Would you like me to send you a membership to PETA? Sounds like you are ready to join...

pafret Loc: Northeast

Apparently you have never heard of reductio ad absurdum.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

You poor old, sorry bugger,you just don't think that mixing pigs and humans could have happened, do you. I am wondering if the "scientists" involved here aren't pretty liberal minded.