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Dec 29, 2013 21:51:06   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Billhuggins wrote:
Society has no business telling me what is happiness and healthy so that I must contribute to society. Sounds like pure c*******m to me. There are millions of laws on the books. Each and every one regulates behavior relative to the environment a person is in. In the first 4 months of this yr. there were 16,000 laws, rules and regulation issued that were targeted to modify behavior. Most of these laws and regulations will not apply to everyone equally and therefore, the public will not be aware unless they try to start a business or a youngster trying to set up a lemonade stand, for example. Congress, including all levels of gov, are promulgating laws, rules and regulations every day that refines, reduces and eliminates freedom of choice. Yes, I miss most of it but I am aware that it is out there.
Society has no business telling me what is happine... (show quote)


I understand the point you're trying to make.. GovTrack.us -- I get updates on all the bills being circulated in Congress. Have to admit that I glaze over rather quickly when I get these updates. I'm amazed at what they come up with!! I don't doubt your numbers, given the amount of minutia that shows up in the Congressional updates. You're right, about the laws not applying to everyone equally; however, I will respectfully say that I, myself, don't view this hyper-vigilance as c*******m, not at this point in time, any way. Give me a week or two, and I might!!

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Dec 29, 2013 22:45:27   #
rich278
 
I never mentioned anyone's right to smoke. I believe in Civil rights. Health care is a civil right, marry whoever you want is a civil right. I don't think old rich white men should be telling young ladies of all colors and economic classes what to do with their babies either.
vernon wrote:
rich i dont smoke but i defend a persons right to smoke.and you just dont want anyone to have rights you dont agree with .sorry thats not the it works

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Dec 30, 2013 01:39:26   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rich278 wrote:
I never mentioned anyone's right to smoke. I believe in Civil rights. Health care is a civil right, marry whoever you want is a civil right. I don't think old rich white men should be telling young ladies of all colors and economic classes what to do with their babies either.


I'm sure the next crack addicted baby who faces a lifetime of health concerns will appreciate your outrage at a rich old white man who thought expectant mothers should show some responsibility. It is, after all, the mother's body. By the way, you did mention anyone's right to smoke, or rather, your right not to have smoke blown in your face. That is ever so much more important than a child's health. Can't have an evil old rich white man telling anyone what to do. How about a rich old black man? Are they allowed to say anything about it? The only place that health care is a right of any kind is in your imagination.

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Dec 30, 2013 07:52:12   #
Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
 
philisophyman wrote:
Why do people h**e free spirits, the philosophers, and the people who ask the stupid questions? Someone has to ask them, if you are too much of a coward to, don’t insult those who do. Conformity is losing liberty if you think about it, and in modern day America, we don’t have many liberties left. Free spirits are amateur philosophers with great and exciting futures, in my mind at least.

what do you think?


To the more rigid social-cons who congregate here I think when you mention “Free Spirits” I think some might couple them with another group of people called hedonists. I for one see them as two separate entities and not the same thing as more socially conservative contemporaries would have it since they do things that in their mind are not socially accepted as if we were all still living in the good ol’ Puritan days.

Hedonistic materialism is running rampant, that is for certain. Then again you have those who don’t fall prey to it due to strong family units and personal endurance but this world isn’t as black and white as that. There’s a lot of gray and the world is painted with a very broad brush.

Having said that I don’t h**e Free Spirits in fact I consider them as allies in this ideological struggle against collectivistic conformity. I personally see them as a dying breed of classic libertarians that want to make any personal choice they want as long as it does no harm or inhibit the rights of others then accept the consequences like any responsible human being would do. Too often these free spirits are tied in with hedonists who want to do wh**ever they want but want others to pick up the tab when they screw up. There’s too much blurring of the lines between the two in this age of obfuscation and disinformation. Hedonists are the types the progressives like to capitalize on because they have no thought of their own only the false premises of “free stuff” and entitlements their masters promised them to keep them ignorant and pacified within their own profligacy.

A free thinker or free spirit is not as easily manipulated as such but that is why they -progressives- want conformity from the free thinkers so they can be easily coerced and manipulated to suit the agendas they have in place. If you do not conform then you're bigoted, h**eful, intolerant, etc etc etc. Conformity is the first step to the road of oppression.

I don’t exactly conform myself to one lifestyle or ideology since my political views can be spread across the board.

For instance I disagree with homosexuality but I do not h**e the homosexuals themselves just their acts and militant partisanship to force people to accept their lifestyle. I can tolerate them as long as they don’t shove it down my face or politically persecute me for religious beliefs.

I am for legalizing pot because it is a natural herb that can be grown in your own backyard much like tobacco yet tobacco is legal to smoke. Those who gripe it is a gateway drug well then so is alcohol? You're either going to have drunks or pot heads if people lack self control for wh**ever substances they abuse then it is a crude method of natural se******n taking place. Take that as you will.

I’m a free thinker versus free spirit which can be splitting hairs but in my defense I’m a Jeffersonian free thinker believeing men do better when they’re self governed with their own personal imposed responsibilities as long they do not harm, inhibit or force conformity superceding the rights of their fellow countrymen and upon their own homestead.

There is no such thing as a stupid question. Ignorance and stupidity are two seperate things but there is such a thing called a loaded question amongst the Machiavellians lurking about here.

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Dec 30, 2013 08:27:56   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Ghost wrote:
To the more rigid social-cons who congregate here I think when you mention “Free Spirits” I think some might couple them with another group of people called hedonists. I for one see them as two separate entities and not the same thing as more socially conservative contemporaries would have it since they do things that in their mind are not socially accepted as if we were all still living in the good ol’ Puritan days.

Hedonistic materialism is running rampant, that is for certain. Then again you have those who don’t fall prey to it due to strong family units and personal endurance but this world isn’t as black and white as that. There’s a lot of gray and the world is painted with a very broad brush.

Having said that I don’t h**e Free Spirits in fact I consider them as allies in this ideological struggle against collectivistic conformity. I personally see them as a dying breed of classic libertarians that want to make any personal choice they want as long as it does no harm or inhibit the rights of others then accept the consequences like any responsible human being would do. Too often these free spirits are tied in with hedonists who want to do wh**ever they want but want others to pick up the tab when they screw up. There’s too much blurring of the lines between the two in this age of obfuscation and disinformation. Hedonists are the types the progressives like to capitalize on because they have no thought of their own only the false premises of “free stuff” and entitlements their masters promised them to keep them ignorant and pacified within their own profligacy.

A free thinker or free spirit is not as easily manipulated as such but that is why they -progressives- want conformity from the free thinkers so they can be easily coerced and manipulated to suit the agendas they have in place. If you do not conform then you're bigoted, h**eful, intolerant, etc etc etc. Conformity is the first step to the road of oppression.

I don’t exactly conform myself to one lifestyle or ideology since my political views can be spread across the board.

For instance I disagree with homosexuality but I do not h**e the homosexuals themselves just their acts and militant partisanship to force people to accept their lifestyle. I can tolerate them as long as they don’t shove it down my face or politically persecute me for religious beliefs.

I am for legalizing pot because it is a natural herb that can be grown in your own backyard much like tobacco yet tobacco is legal to smoke. Those who gripe it is a gateway drug well then so is alcohol? You're either going to have drunks or pot heads if people lack self control for wh**ever substances they abuse then it is a crude method of natural se******n taking place. Take that as you will.

I’m a free thinker versus free spirit which can be splitting hairs but in my defense I’m a Jeffersonian free thinker believeing men do better when they’re self governed with their own personal imposed responsibilities as long they do not harm, inhibit or force conformity superceding the rights of their fellow countrymen and upon their own homestead.

There is no such thing as a stupid question. Ignorance and stupidity are two seperate things but there is such a thing called a loaded question amongst the Machiavellians lurking about here.
To the more rigid social-cons who congregate here ... (show quote)


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Dec 30, 2013 09:00:53   #
vernon
 
banjojack wrote:
I'm sure the next crack addicted baby who faces a lifetime of health concerns will appreciate your outrage at a rich old white man who thought expectant mothers should show some responsibility. It is, after all, the mother's body. By the way, you did mention anyone's right to smoke, or rather, your right not to have smoke blown in your face. That is ever so much more important than a child's health. Can't have an evil old rich white man telling anyone what to do. How about a rich old black man? Are they allowed to say anything about it? The only place that health care is a right of any kind is in your imagination.
I'm sure the next crack addicted baby who faces a ... (show quote)


he just had to get a r****t jab in .but most of these rich old white men wernt rich until the had a few years in congress.

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Dec 30, 2013 13:18:35   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
banjojack wrote:
What do you mean by "stupid questions?" No honest question, when asked sincerely, is stupid. I would say to your other statement that you have it backwards: Philosophers are amateur free spirits.


You're on point. There are only "stupid" inept answers to be dealt with!

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Dec 30, 2013 13:25:54   #
Hick Loc: Deepest,darkest Arizona
 
Hi, y'all! I reckon this here ain't a reply so much as just a general statement. When I set out to "DO", or "NOT DO" a thing I have what I'll call my "Standard" for making my choice. MY CHOICE. Goes something like this; 1. Is it a "THING" (activity, action, utterance, writing, or some item of personal conduct) that I WANT to do? 2. If I do it will it harm anyone else? 3. Will it deprive anyone else of anything RIGHTFULLY theirs (including their OWN ability to make their OWN choices)? 4. When wh**ever it is fits within these parameters, I'm pretty much going to "DO" wh**ever the hell it is. If there be some law against this theoretical "thing", then it's a damn good bet that that law (or laws) is a repressive chunk of s**t which is about to get ignored. Those who clamor FOR laws like that, along with those who enact them are MANY. Too bad there ain't a bounty on 'em.

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Dec 30, 2013 16:17:40   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Hick wrote:
Hi, y'all! I reckon this here ain't a reply so much as just a general statement. When I set out to "DO", or "NOT DO" a thing I have what I'll call my "Standard" for making my choice. MY CHOICE. Goes something like this; 1. Is it a "THING" (activity, action, utterance, writing, or some item of personal conduct) that I WANT to do? 2. If I do it will it harm anyone else? 3. Will it deprive anyone else of anything RIGHTFULLY theirs (including their OWN ability to make their OWN choices)? 4. When wh**ever it is fits within these parameters, I'm pretty much going to "DO" wh**ever the hell it is. If there be some law against this theoretical "thing", then it's a damn good bet that that law (or laws) is a repressive chunk of s**t which is about to get ignored. Those who clamor FOR laws like that, along with those who enact them are MANY. Too bad there ain't a bounty on 'em.
Hi, y'all! I reckon this here ain't a reply so muc... (show quote)


Outstanding. Unfortunately, it would put an awful lot of useless bureaucrats out of work

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Dec 30, 2013 16:27:04   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
banjojack wrote:
Outstanding. Unfortunately, it would put an awful lot of useless bureaucrats out of work


Hey, it "might" decrease the deficit!! :-)

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Dec 30, 2013 17:02:29   #
angery american Loc: Georgia
 
rich278 wrote:
I never mentioned anyone's right to smoke. I believe in Civil rights. Health care is a civil right, marry whoever you want is a civil right. I don't think old rich white men should be telling young ladies of all colors and economic classes what to do with their babies either.


Health care is NOT a civil right. The reason is that someone must provide some kind of CARE. Who is going to work for FREE to provide that care..If no one works for FREE then it has to be paid for ..by who? A civil right does not require someone to do something else for someone.

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Dec 30, 2013 17:06:12   #
vernon
 
Searching wrote:
I understand the point you're trying to make.. GovTrack.us -- I get updates on all the bills being circulated in Congress. Have to admit that I glaze over rather quickly when I get these updates. I'm amazed at what they come up with!! I don't doubt your numbers, given the amount of minutia that shows up in the Congressional updates. You're right, about the laws not applying to everyone equally; however, I will respectfully say that I, myself, don't view this hyper-vigilance as c*******m, not at this point in time, any way. Give me a week or two, and I might!!
I understand the point you're trying to make.. Gov... (show quote)



i think that 75%of the laws could be repealed and no one would miss them,except the lawmakers.

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Dec 30, 2013 17:09:34   #
vernon
 
angery american wrote:
Health care is NOT a civil right. The reason is that someone must provide some kind of CARE. Who is going to work for FREE to provide that care..If no one works for FREE then it has to be paid for ..by who? A civil right does not require someone to do something else for someone.


your right sounds like the demorat party is going back to s***ery

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Dec 30, 2013 19:04:01   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Searching wrote:
Hey, it "might" decrease the deficit!! :-)


We could deport the i******s and let the bureaucrats do the "jobs Americans won't do."

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Dec 30, 2013 19:45:03   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
banjojack wrote:
We could deport the i******s and let the bureaucrats do the "jobs Americans won't do."



:thumbup: Sounds only fitting, doesn't it!! It would put doing Community Service on a whole 'nother level, wouldn't it!! :XD: Now that I thinkg about it, it would make a really funny tv reality show. :lol:

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