EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

One of the reasons Roe vs. Wade made it through SCOTUS was the failed determination of beginning of life.
Allow me to suggest anyone who thinks the babies first begin life at birth have obviously never felt a baby kick, stretch or the other movements they do in the womb. Life begins long before that. You could make an argument that even the sperm cells have 'life' as well as the egg. Neither will 'live' outside their natural environment. If either part were 'dead' then they would have a hard time bringing something to life. Would they not?

Mr Bombastic

No amount of information will ever convince someone of this. The left is a cult of death. They cry about executing a convicted murderer, yet have no problem k*****g babies. Many of them are in favor of post birth a******ns. They are some really sick individuals.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I believe you misunderstand Roe v. Wade.
The court made no attempt at defining Life nor its beginning.
What the court did define is the points at which a mother's right to choose outweighed the the right of a fetus: within the first trimester.
Up until the second trimester the court allowed that the State has a vested interest in regulating a******n related to the health of the mother.
After the second trimester, the State's interest in protecting the potential life of the fetus, once it is deemed viable, becomes valid, and the State may regulate and in fact preclude a******n at that time.

You, as many do, may disagree with the court's ruling as well as the morality of any a******n. But please try to avoid assigning meaning to Roe v. Wade that simply is not there.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113

EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

Thank you for your response. I'm sure there will be others.

Mr Bombastic

Any doctor, if they are honest, will tell you that life begins at conception. It's a medical fact. Unfortunately, some people believe that they have no rights until they born. Some even believe that we should be allowed to murder babies AFTER they are born.

So it's not really about whether or not it's alive. It's about the mothers convenience.

EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

Certainly no argument from me.
In review of Roe vs. Wade found it went to the Supreme because an AG or district Attorney (Wade) was enforcing a law which prohibited an a******n after a certain time period. The suit was about whether the 'ladies' 14th amendment rights were violated.Section 1 reads:all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

OK how about the rights of the unborn. Oh yeah they aren't citizens yet so let's k**l them before they become citizens.
Still a screwed up decision. Where does it say a woman has the 'privilege' of k*****g anyone or allowing it be done? How about this little 4 letter word in this line. "nor shall any State deprive any person of LIFE, liberty, or property, without due process of law". Awww I didn't mean that life.
I'm guessing it will be revisited soon along with using tax dollars to commit murder.

Mr Bombastic

dude

I see these commercials every day about animal abuse and for just 19 per month you can help save these precious animals for abusive circumstances and even death. Oh yeah, let's not forget that free t-shirt or blanket you will receive for that 19 bucks per month. I would be embarrassed to wear such a t-shirt. There are websites where you can watch an actual a******n, even a partial birth a******n. I did just that a few years ago. I cried like a baby because of what I saw and then the fury afterwards. This is what man has become....k**lers, murderers with no remorse or conscience. Like Sodom and Gemorrah, we will be judged for what we have done to these precious babies.
A preacher a dozen or so years ago said something I have never forgot. He said, it was not the sins of Sodom and Gemorrah that caused God to destroy them, it was the acceptance by the society that caused God to destroy them. Look at where we are today.....a******n is acceptable, sex outside of marriage is acceptable, homosexuality is acceptable and the list goes on. God had much to say about all of these and it's not good.
The world will be judged for it's sins, make no mistake. For those who still have a grounded set of morals, this is some food for thought and worth a quick study. If you are interested, reply and I can direct you to scripture to back it up.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Same as "collateral damage" of children and other innocent civilians in war are about the "convenience" of protecting your right to freedom.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I understand what you are saying , but the key to the SC has always been when life is "self sustaining"... Night and day, Bomb.. If you were to remove an impregnated egg at conception, when the sperm enters the egg, it would not sustain itself...It's been tried right up to the first trimester and does not flourish.. It needs everything else the body does, blood, oxygen, nutrients etc..

While we may believe that fetus is life, clinically, it does not develope..

mahaska

As a retired LEO, I have witnessed EMT's at accident scenes for over 19 years. The first thing a EMT does when arriving at a scene
where the patient is unconscious is, check for a pulse, if a pulse exists there is life. Its just that simple.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I agree, but a fetus does not even have a pulse rate until 5 weeks...

It's not that simple ...unfortunately...

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

[quote=mahaska]As a retired LEO, I have witnessed EMT's at accident scenes for over 19 years. The first thing a EMT does when arriving at a scene
where the patient is unconscious is, check for a pulse, if a pulse exists there is life. Its just that simple.[/quote

I don't think it is quite that simple, my friend, or we would not be having this conversation. Having a pulse (heartbeat) while in the womb my be a different thing than the ability to independently sustain one's own life outside the womb. I don't know the specifics, but think it's an important difference to discern.

boatbob2

I dont care what ANYONE says about A******N,A******n is MURDER.no two ways about it. EXCEPT,in cases of RAPE,INCEST,or to save the Mothers life,,,,k*****g the fetus,or baby,is MURDER...WOW,I can hear the A******n doctors,and the mothers who had a******ns,standing in front of God,and trying to tell him that their A******N was necessary. IF you dont want to get pregnant,ABSTAIN,or USE BIRTH CONTROL,OR use THE DAY AFTER PILL, OR put a raw egg between your knees.if you open your legs ,the egg drops,and breaks.then you can get pregnant,after the first a******n,tie her tubes,no more pregnancies....if you dont like what Ive just wrote.....TUFF S**T !!!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I agree with your passion Bob, I do not support a******n at all but do support our right of choice.. Give up one right, we loose them all.. and in some cases, rape, incest, health of the mother, or either I do support a******n....

There is no reason for unwanted pregnancy, plenty of options out there... including a responsibility of men to simply ask if the women is on something to prevent pregnancy... Takes two to get there after all...