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Dec 29, 2013 11:17:38   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
[quote=Papabear]TASMINE: I AM GOING TO SEE IF THIS POSTS WITH PHOTOS, IF NOT I WILL BE CONTACTING YOU IN THE PRIVATE MESSAGE I SEE YOU SENT. WHAT I AM SENDING NOW IS THE LATEST ON GEN VALLEY AND MARCH ON DC AS REPORTED ON THE WIND THIS MORNING:

GENERAL CALLS FOR MASSIVE MARCH ON WASHINGTON
'We need to get off our derrieres. ... Hope is not a strategy'

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/u-s-general-calls-for-massive-march-on-congress-white-house/#lpRQFHR15CSLeOPY.99
The retired American military commander who earlier said in a statement released to WND that Americans need to confront Barack Obama’s tyranny now is recommending the Egyptian model through which to do that.
The Egyptian model, Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely explained on a podcast of an Internet radio show, was that 33 million people stood up to their government and told officials no.
The result was that the Egyptian Muslim Brother was removed from power and then-President Mohammed Morsi was removed from office, Vallely explained,
His call for a massive march on Washington came recently on the WBTM (We Become The Media) show.
He was asked whether America can be restored as the shining light on the hill for freedom when the e*******l process, which resulted in two presidencies for Obama in 2008 and 2012, “are known to be corrupt.”
Vallely said the absence of leadership in the White House and Congress makes it difficult, and he said, “I’m not even sure our traditional process will straighten our government out in time to save us.”
And he said processes like impeachment simply won’t happen.
Then he suggested the Egyptian model, and he said millions of Americans need to “stand up” to Washington “within the next 12 months.”
He said doing nothing is not an option, because Washington won’t fix itself and “hope is not a strategy.”
“We need something … a no confidence v**e,” he suggested. And perhaps legislation that could create a national recall process.
“We need to get off our derrieres, march at the state capitol, march in Washington,” he said. “Make citizens arrests.”
He said when there are those who are “conducting treason … violating the Constitution, violating our laws,” it should not be overlooked.
“When you have a president and his team who don’t care about the Constitution, they will do anything they can to win,” he said.
Vallely has been immensely popular among tea party organizations that are seeking a way to restore the rule of law to Washington.
Among other things, they cite the Obamacare law, and the 15 or more times Obama has changed the law – without consulting Congress.
In a statement earlier to WND, Vallely said a v**e of no confidence could be used.
The founder of Stand Up America, an organization that provides education resources for leaders and activists based on the values of the Founding Fathers, said:
“Clearly America has lost confidence and no longer trusts those in power at a most critical time in our history,” Vallely said. “It is true that not all who ply the halls of power fit under that broad brush, but most of them are guilty of many egregious acts and we say it is time to hold a v**e of no confidence. It’s time for a ‘recall.’”
Vallely believes the “credibility of our current leadership is gone.”
Now, he said, “we listen to their excuses, finger-pointing, lies and all manner of chicanery.”
He admitted there is no legal authority in a v**e of no confidence, but he argued it will “take back the power of discourse.”
“What else is our nation to do now that the ‘rule-of-law’ has effectively been thrown out the window by the Obama administration? How are we to trust our government anymore, now that lying and fraud are acceptable practices?” he asked.
Vallely believes impeachment likely wouldn’t lead to conviction and doesn’t solve the problem, anyway.
“Harry Reid still controls the Senate, so like in Clinton’s day, forget about a finding of guilty,” he wrote. “Incidentally, if Obama was found guilty and removed from office, Joe Biden would step in, Valerie Jarrett still wields all the power, and likely we get more of the same
The Constitution can be amended without going through Congress, he pointed out, but it would take too much time, “a luxury we just do not have it we are going to save our republic.”
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“That brings us to the other word no one wants to utter, revolution. In our opinion, this is the least palatable option. … Others talk about the military taking over as we saw in Egypt; again, we do not support this route,” he said.
Vallely listed a sampling of Obama’s broken promises and lies, crediting Peter Wehner at Commentary Magazine:
• His promise not to allow lobbyists to work in his administration. (They have.)
• His commitment to slash earmarks. (He didn’t.)
• To be the most t***sparent presidency in history. (He’s not.)
• To put an end to “phony accounting.” (It started almost on Day 1 and continues.)
• And to restore trust in government. (Trust in government is at near-historic lows.)
• His pledge to seek public financing in the general e******n. (He didn’t.)
• To treat super-PACS as a “threat to democracy.” (He embraced them.)
• His pledge to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent. (It remained above 8 percent for the longest stretch since the Great Depression.)
• To create five million new energy jobs alone. (The total number of jobs created in Obama’s first term was roughly one-tenth that figure.)
• To identify all those “shovel-ready’ jobs. (Mr. Obama later chuckled that his much-hyped “shovel-ready projects” were “not as shovel-ready as we expected.”)
• To lift two million Americans from poverty. (A record 46 million Americans are living in poverty during the Obama era.)
• His promise to bring down health care premiums by $2,500 for the typical family (they went up) … allow Americans to keep the health care coverage they currently have (many can’t) … refuse to fund a******n via the Affordable Care Act (it did) … to respect religious liberties (he has violated them) … and the insistent that a mandate to buy insurance, enforced by financial penalties, was not a tax (it is).
• Obama’s pledge to stop the rise of oceans. (It hasn’t.)
• To “remake the world” and to “heal the planet.” (Hardly.)
• To usher in a “new beginning” based on “mutual respect” with the Arab and Islamic world and “help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East.” (Come again?)
• To punish Syria if it crossed the “red line” of using chemical weapons. (The “red line” was crossed earlier this year – and nothing of consequence happened.)
• That as president “I don’t bluff.” (See the previous sentence on Syria.)
• And of course the much-ballyhooed Russian reset. (Tensions between Russia and the United States are increasing and examples of Russia undermining U.S. interests are multiplying.)
• And let’s not forget Mr. Obama’s promise to bring us together. (He is the most polarizing president in the history of the Gallup polling.)
• Or his assurance to us that he would put an end to the type of politics that “breeds division and conflict and cynicism.” (All three have increased during the Obama presidency.)
• And his counsel to us to “resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.” (Remind me again whose campaign allies accused Mitt Romney of being responsible for the cancer death of a steelworker’s wife.)
“It is time to recall the reprobates and reclaim the power of the people,” Vallely said. “We need to start with the White House and all of Obama’s appointees, especially Eric Holder. … Then on to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi – the architects who shoved Obamacare down our throats. We also cannot forget John Boehner and company who openly castigate the tea-party caucus which are only doing that which they campaigned upon.”
Read the definitive case for removing Barack Obama from office in “Impeachable Offenses” by Aaron Klein and Brenda J. Elliott.
Vallely quoted commentator Andrew C. McCarthy, who said that “absent the political will to remove the president, he will remain president no matter how many high crimes and misdemeanors he stacks up. … and absent the removal of the president, the United States will be fundamentally t***sformed.”
Vallely noted that while the U.S. Constitution lacks a provision for a “recall” at the federal level, “there is nothing to prevent its use as a comprehensive de facto indictment and conviction for contempt of Congress, violations of oath of office and of the Constitution itself – for all the reasons stated in such a resolution.”
He warned of growing “tyrannical centralized rule” without action.
There may be advances in the 2014 e******ns, but will that be a solution?
“Obama is still the president, and his Cabinet and appointees still remain in power. … Obama will just continue to subvert the Constitution he took an oath to faithfully protect. His track record shows us that no matter what the make-up of Congress is, he will twist his way around it with a pen and secure even more power reminiscent of a dictator,” Vallely said.
“When that does not work, he will manipulate the courts and law enforcement will be run by fiat, choosing winners and losers.”
Congress already is addressing charges that Obama is violating the Constitution.
WND reported when Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said Obama’s actions have reached “an
unprecedented level, and we’ve got to do something about it.

Assume that a statute said you had to provide two forms of ID to v**e. Can the president require three forms? Can the president require one form? Can you suspend all requirements? If not, why not?” he said. “If you can turn off certain categories of law, do you not also have the power to turn off all categories of law?”
Gowdy cited Obama’s decisions to ignore certain i*********n l*ws, even though Congress did not approve the changes. He also cited arbitrary changes to the Obamacare law and Obama’s “recess appointments” of judges even though the U.S. Senate was not in recess.
His proposal is for Congress to take the White House to court over the president’s actions, through a resolution proposed by Rep. Tom Rice, R-Ga., that would authorize the House to sue the Obama administration. It has 30 co-sponsors.
Rice said that because of “this disregard of our country’s checks and balances, many of you have asked me to bring legal action against the president.”
“After carefully researching the standing the House of Representatives has and what action we can take, I have introduced a resolution to stop the president’s clear overreach,” he said.
A Fox News interviewer asked Gowdy if Obama could refuse to enforce e******n laws.
“Why not?” asked Gowdy, “If you can turn off i*********n l*ws, if you can turn off the mandatory minimum in our drug statutes, if you can turn off the so-called Affordable Care Act – why not e******n laws?”
Gowdy noted that a liberal law professor, Jonathan Turley, agrees.
WND reported Turley’s concerns earlier this month.
Turley has represented members of Congress in a lawsuit over the Libyan war, represented workers at the secret Area 51 military base and served as counsel on national security cases. He now says Obama is a danger to the U.S. Constitution.
He was addressing a House Judiciary Committee hearing Dec. 4. Chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., asked him: “Professor Turley, the Constitution, the system of separated powers is not simply about stopping one branch of government from usurping another. It’s about protecting the liberty of Americans from the dangers of concentrated government power. How does the president’s unilateral modification of act[s] of Congress affect both the balance of power between the political branches and the liberty interests of the American people?”
Turley replied: “Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The danger is quite severe. The problem with what the president is doing is that he’s not simply posing a danger to the constitutional system. He’s becoming the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid. That is the concentration of power.”
Turley explained that the “Newtonian orbit that the three branches exist in is a delicate one but it is designed to prevent this type of concentration.”
“There are two trends going on which should be of equal concern to all members of Congress,” he said. “One is that we have had the radical expansion of p**********l powers under both President Bush and President Obama. We have what many once called an imperial presidency model of largely unchecked authority. And with that trend we also have the continued rise of this fourth branch. We have agencies that are quite large that issue regulations. The Supreme Court said recently that agencies could actually define their own or interpret their own jurisdiction.”
Turley was appointed in 1998 to the prestigious Shapiro Chair for Public Interest at Georgetown. He has handled a wide range of precedent-setting and headline-making cases, including the successful defense of Petty Officer Daniel King, who faced the death penalty for alleged spying for Russia.
Turley also has served as the legal expert in the review of polygamy laws in the British Columbia Supreme Court. He’s been a consultant on homeland security, and his articles appear regularly in national publications such as the New York Times and USA Today.
WND reported that it was at the same hearing that Michael Cannon, director of Health Policy Studies for the Cato Institute, said there is “one last thing to which the people can resort if the government does not respect the restraints that the Constitution places of the government.”
“Abraham Lincoln talked about our right to alter our government or our revolutionary right to o*******w it,” he said.
“That is certainly something that no one wants to contemplate. If the people come to believe that the government is no longer constrained by the laws, then they will conclude that neither are they.”
Cannon said it is “very dangerous” for the president to “wantonly ignore the laws, to try to impose obligations upon people that the legislature did not approve.”
Several members of Congress also contributed their opinions in an interview with talk-show host Sean Hannity.
Gen Vallely explained that a “no confidence” v**e now “would also tell the world that we recognize the mess this administration has wrought upon the world and we do not support his actions. Despite what supporters of Obama say about our standing in the world, the world is laughing at us. We are not pleased!”
Without that action, he writes, “Obama will just continue to subvert the Constitution he took an oath to faithfully protect.”

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Congrats!!!!! YOU DID IT! I'm proud of you! I haven't even read what you wrote yet, but will, of course. I just had to praise you first!!!
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Dec 29, 2013 13:05:26   #
Papabear
 
I understand what you are saying, however there is a movement now started that is going to roll like a snowball going down hill. A Dear Friend of Mine Gen Jerry Boykin is not speaking up (in a tactful way) but none the less he is getting his point across. I just filled out a petition which I am noting here, I filled out the petition and I made a donation to insure that all 100 Senators gets a copy of me letter which I will post on my next blog after this one, the photo that you will see is that of Gen Boykin and I together after 25 years at the WWII Memorial on 12 Oct 2013. Once I post this since I have been up pretty much the most of the past several nights dealing with the death of a good friend, Patriot, Korean War Vet, two Combat Jumps in Korea, and the recipient of the Congressional Metal of Honor, one of only three that were given out in that conflict, we are in the middle of getting everything ready for his funeral which will be on 6 Jan 2014 here in my town, the reason so long since he passed a week ago yesterday is because of the amount of vets that are coming here from around the world who knew Rudy and as I loved him as a Brother, if you want to look him up you can GOOGLE up Rudy Hernandez, Congressional Metal of Honor Winner, I will also post a photo of Rudy and I together the last time on Veterans Day Weekend: NOW HERE IS THE LETTER FROM GEN BOYKIN:

The Constitution established the federal government in part to “provide for the common defense.”

Sadly, Barack Obama appears to be doing all he can to cripple our armed forces, leaving our country vulnerable.

Since Obama took office, a record number of top military leaders have been dismissed from their posts and the number of combat-ready brigades has been reduced to only two.

“To have the Chief of Staff of the Army confess to the world that our Army has not trained for six months is highly disturbing,” says former Rep. Allen West. “[It] should make us all sleep less soundly at night.”

The United States Military is not some superfluous arm of the federal government like Housing and Urban Development, the Environmental Protection Agency, or the Department of Education – No! Our constitutionally created Armed Forces are essential for our nation’s defense and preservation!

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Richard H. from Fayetteville, NC writes:



Gen Boykin, Sir, we have known each other over the years, I last seen you on 12 Oct 2013 at the WWII Memorial and it was an HONOR to be able to see and speak with you at that gathering to insure our TRUE HEROS were allowed access to their Memorial. Sir with ALL DO RESPECT as I informed you during our short time speaking I still live in Fay, NC, as I told you, our intent was to move to Fla but after the Nov E******ns I made my mind up that the SAFEST place for my wife was here close to Bragg and you agreed. Sir I have been staying in contact with various other Brothers Active and Retired, I respect what you say in regards to the Military not being able to pull a C**p, however I disagree for these reasons, as Obama had made very clear in 2008 at a speech given with a backdrop of veterans behind him his words were, “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a National Civilian Security Force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]”, he is doing that with the significant build up of the DHS, NSA, FEMA, Social Security Administration and The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. All have been armed WHY? By no means Sir, do I want to see bloodshed on the soil of this Republic, that is the last thing that I want to see, and I pray that our service men and women if it comes to a confrontation will stand with us and not against us. As a founding forefather said: When the representative body has lost the confidence of their constituents, when they have notoriously made sale of their most valuable rights, when they have assumed to themselves powers which the people never put into their hands, then indeed their continuing in office becomes dangerous to the state, and calls for an exercise of the power of dissolution. Thomas Jefferson and another founding forefather made this statement: If ever the Time should come, when vain & aspiring Men shall possess the highest Seats in Government, our Country will stand in Need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its Ruin. Samual Adams. Gen Boykin, Sir, I am sure you are very much aware of what Gen Valley is purposing, I for one will be at the front of the line. My fear is that this purposed Peaceful March on DC which I can say sir, will out rival the marches of the 60's in strength, but we will be unarmed as we were on 12 Oct 2014 yet you witnessed the Black Hawk as I did and photographed with the Black Uniformed Officers sitting on each side of the bird with their rifles I clear view. What concerns me is why haven't we of the fraternity of brothers of war heard from other GREAT LEADERS SUCH AS YOURSELF, Gen Hugh Shelton, Gen Jim Lindsay, Gen Frederick J. Kroesen, Jr. ALL OF YOU WERE MY HERO'S IN THE MILITARY, I WONDER WHAT THE Col. Bull Simons is thinking right now looking down upon us and our GREAT NATION as it is torn apart.





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Dec 29, 2013 13:51:14   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Papabear wrote:
I understand what you are saying, however there is a movement now started that is going to roll like a snowball going down hill. A Dear Friend of Mine Gen Jerry Boykin is not speaking up (in a tactful way) but none the less he is getting his point across. I just filled out a petition which I am noting here, I filled out the petition and I made a donation to insure that all 100 Senators gets a copy of me letter which I will post on my next blog after this one, the photo that you will see is that of Gen Boykin and I together after 25 years at the WWII Memorial on 12 Oct 2013. Once I post this since I have been up pretty much the most of the past several nights dealing with the death of a good friend, Patriot, Korean War Vet, two Combat Jumps in Korea, and the recipient of the Congressional Metal of Honor, one of only three that were given out in that conflict, we are in the middle of getting everything ready for his funeral which will be on 6 Jan 2014 here in my town, the reason so long since he passed a week ago yesterday is because of the amount of vets that are coming here from around the world who knew Rudy and as I loved him as a Brother, if you want to look him up you can GOOGLE up Rudy Hernandez, Congressional Metal of Honor Winner, I will also post a photo of Rudy and I together the last time on Veterans Day Weekend: NOW HERE IS THE LETTER FROM GEN BOYKIN:

The Constitution established the federal government in part to “provide for the common defense.”

Sadly, Barack Obama appears to be doing all he can to cripple our armed forces, leaving our country vulnerable.

Since Obama took office, a record number of top military leaders have been dismissed from their posts and the number of combat-ready brigades has been reduced to only two.

“To have the Chief of Staff of the Army confess to the world that our Army has not trained for six months is highly disturbing,” says former Rep. Allen West. “[It] should make us all sleep less soundly at night.”

The United States Military is not some superfluous arm of the federal government like Housing and Urban Development, the Environmental Protection Agency, or the Department of Education – No! Our constitutionally created Armed Forces are essential for our nation’s defense and preservation!

Take Action: Sign the petition and send a free message to your U.S. Representative and Senators demanding a special investigation into Barack Obama’s attacks on our Armed Forces – especially his “purge” of senior officers!

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31 minutes ago link

Richard H. from Fayetteville, NC writes:



Gen Boykin, Sir, we have known each other over the years, I last seen you on 12 Oct 2013 at the WWII Memorial and it was an HONOR to be able to see and speak with you at that gathering to insure our TRUE HEROS were allowed access to their Memorial. Sir with ALL DO RESPECT as I informed you during our short time speaking I still live in Fay, NC, as I told you, our intent was to move to Fla but after the Nov E******ns I made my mind up that the SAFEST place for my wife was here close to Bragg and you agreed. Sir I have been staying in contact with various other Brothers Active and Retired, I respect what you say in regards to the Military not being able to pull a C**p, however I disagree for these reasons, as Obama had made very clear in 2008 at a speech given with a backdrop of veterans behind him his words were, “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a National Civilian Security Force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]”, he is doing that with the significant build up of the DHS, NSA, FEMA, Social Security Administration and The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. All have been armed WHY? By no means Sir, do I want to see bloodshed on the soil of this Republic, that is the last thing that I want to see, and I pray that our service men and women if it comes to a confrontation will stand with us and not against us. As a founding forefather said: When the representative body has lost the confidence of their constituents, when they have notoriously made sale of their most valuable rights, when they have assumed to themselves powers which the people never put into their hands, then indeed their continuing in office becomes dangerous to the state, and calls for an exercise of the power of dissolution. Thomas Jefferson and another founding forefather made this statement: If ever the Time should come, when vain & aspiring Men shall possess the highest Seats in Government, our Country will stand in Need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its Ruin. Samual Adams. Gen Boykin, Sir, I am sure you are very much aware of what Gen Valley is purposing, I for one will be at the front of the line. My fear is that this purposed Peaceful March on DC which I can say sir, will out rival the marches of the 60's in strength, but we will be unarmed as we were on 12 Oct 2014 yet you witnessed the Black Hawk as I did and photographed with the Black Uniformed Officers sitting on each side of the bird with their rifles I clear view. What concerns me is why haven't we of the fraternity of brothers of war heard from other GREAT LEADERS SUCH AS YOURSELF, Gen Hugh Shelton, Gen Jim Lindsay, Gen Frederick J. Kroesen, Jr. ALL OF YOU WERE MY HERO'S IN THE MILITARY, I WONDER WHAT THE Col. Bull Simons is thinking right now looking down upon us and our GREAT NATION as it is torn apart.
I understand what you are saying, however there is... (show quote)

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A great letter, Papabear, and I am filled with p***e to know you (well, on line at any rate). You may want to edit this (12 Oct 2014) in your last paragraph. I can feel your passion, and am heartened to hear such words from a warrior such as yourself and your friends. Peace be with you, and God bless you and all our warriors!

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Dec 29, 2013 19:54:28   #
Papabear
 
TASMINE: I am confused, what am I suppose to edit in regards to 12 Oct 2014? We both seen the Black Hawk together hovering over the WWII Memorial and circling it, I am attaching a photo, unless you are referring to something else, remember I am getting old brain a little slow, however my index finger and sight is still operable.







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Dec 29, 2013 19:55:56   #
Papabear
 
TASMINE: I am confused, what am I suppose to edit in regards to 12 Oct 2014? We both seen the Black Hawk together hovering over the WWII Memorial and circling it, I am attaching a photo, unless you are referring to something else, remember I am getting old brain a little slow, however my index finger and sight is still operable.

Black Hawk
Black Hawk...

Black Hawk passing in front of Wash Monument
Black Hawk passing in front of Wash Monument...

Barricades torn down
Barricades torn down...

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Dec 29, 2013 20:06:16   #
Hick Loc: Deepest,darkest Arizona
 
mikeinco wrote:
First, a thank you to Papa Bear, Hick and all others who served, the Nation owes you a respectful gratitude.
The prospect of an impeachment of Obama while very appealing to Patriots, is far from a possibility. The current Republican leadership will I doubt allow the proceedings to take place, they are to beholden to the powers behind the throne to allow it. A Republican majority in the Senate will no doubt slow the progress of the destruction of our Republic, but IMO the RNC and a majority of Congressional Republicans are simply Progressive Light. The RNC has consistently failed to support any Tea Party or true Conservative in a bid for e******n, they believe they are "to radical" and "to conservative" to be electable. They believe the only way to be elected is to offer similar versions of Democrats with only minor differences. They believe e******n of people like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and some others is an abberation, and not the true feelings of the majority. This is why they continue to lose e******ns and will continue to lose unless we make our voices heard loudly and clearly.
First, a thank you to Papa Bear, Hick and all othe... (show quote)

You're very welcome, Mr. mikeinco! I agree with you, so I think I'd best go and volunteer some time to work at promoting tha principles I believe in.

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Dec 29, 2013 21:07:51   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Papabear wrote:
TASMINE: I am confused, what am I suppose to edit in regards to 12 Oct 2014? We both seen the Black Hawk together hovering over the WWII Memorial and circling it, I am attaching a photo, unless you are referring to something else, remember I am getting old brain a little slow, however my index finger and sight is still operable.


October 12 2014 hasn't yet arrived. It's almost a year away.

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Dec 29, 2013 21:15:46   #
beenthere2 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Papabear wrote:
TASMINE: I am confused, what am I suppose to edit in regards to 12 Oct 2014? We both seen the Black Hawk together hovering over the WWII Memorial and circling it, I am attaching a photo, unless you are referring to something else, remember I am getting old brain a little slow, however my index finger and sight is still operable.


PapaBear) that isnt a Blackhawk. its a bell used gov , civilian and other coutrys for lots of jobs.

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Dec 29, 2013 23:31:15   #
Papabear
 
That is exactly why there has been a call for a Massive March on DC by SOS. I Will post the information here, it is known so that is not an issue and they don't have any idea when it will take place:

General calls for massive march on Washington


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It’s time to confront Obama’s tyranny and recall the power of the people

(Tea Party) – The retired American military commander who earlier said that Americans need to confront Barack Obama’s tyranny now is recommending the Egyptian model through which to do that.

The Egyptian model, Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely explained on a podcast of an Internet radio show, was that 33 million people stood up to their government and told officials no.

His call for a massive march on Washington came recently on the WBTM (We Become The Media) show.

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Saving our nation from the out-of-control tyranny cast upon our citizens by Obama could be settled by a v**e of “no confidence,” according to the founder of Stand Up America, an organization providing leaders with education resources that are based on the principles of our Founding Fathers.

With the credibility of our nation’s leadership evaporated, the lying, finger-pointing and excuses gone horribly awry, confidence has certainly been shattered. Vallely makes a good point, “What else is our nation to do now that the ‘rule-of-law’ has been thrown out the window by the Obama administration? How are we to trust our government anymore, now that lying and fraud are acceptable practices?”

Vallely points out that the list of blatant lies and broken promises is long:.
•LIE: He promised no lobbyists would work in his administration.
•LIE: He committed to slash earmarks.
•LIE: He promised to be the most t***sparent presidency in history.
•LIE: He promised to put an end to “phony accounting.”
•LIE: He promised to restore trust in government.
•LIE: He pledged to seek public financing in the general e******n.
•LIE: He promised to treat super-PACS as a “threat to democracy.”
•LIE: He pledged to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.
•LIE: He promised to create five million new energy jobs alone. (Note: The total number of jobs created in Obama’s first term was roughly one-tenth that figure.)
•LIE: He promised to create “shovel-ready’ jobs.
•LIE: He promised to lift two million Americans from poverty. (Note: A record 46 million Americans are now living in poverty during the Obama era.)
•LIE: He promised to slash health care premiums by $2,500 for the typical family … allow Americans to keep their health care coverage if they liked it … refuse to fund a******n via the Affordable Care Act … respect religious liberties … and insisted that the mandate to buy insurance, enforced by financial penalties, was not a tax.
•LIE: He pledged to stop the rise of oceans.
•LIE: He promised to “remake the world” and “heal the planet.”
•LIE: He promised to punish Syria if it crossed the “red line” of using chemical weapons
•LIE: He assured us that as president “I don’t bluff.”
•LIE: He trumpeted the Russian reset. (Note: Tensions between Russia and the US are increasing and examples of Russia undermining U.S. interests are multiplying.)
•LIE: He promised to bring us together (Note: He is the most polarizing president in the history of the Gallup poll.)
•LIE: He promised to put an end to politics that “breeds division and conflict and cynicism.”
•LIE: He counseled us to “resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.”

Americans can no longer have confidence in this American president when virtually everything that flows forth from his mouth is a lie or a contorted t***h, selfishly shaped to fit a hidden agenda.

There is one thing that we are certain of though, says Vallely, “It is time to recall the reprobates and reclaim the power of the people. We need to start with the White House and all of Obama’s appointees, especially Eric Holder. Then it’s onto Harry Reid and Nancy Peolsi—the architects who shoved Obamacare down our throats. We cannot forget John Boehner and company who castigated the Tea Party caucus, which are only doing that which they campaigned on.”

“It is true that not all who ply the halls of power fit under that broad brush, but most of them are guilty of many egregious acts and we say it is time to hold a v**e of no confidence. It’s time for a recall,” insists Vallely.

Perhaps it was commentator Andrew C. McCarthy who best summed it up by saying, “Absent the political will to remove the president, he will remain president no matter how many high crimes and misdemeanors he stacks up…and absent the removal of the president, the United States will be fundamentally t***sformed.”

President Obama ran on the platform of “fundamentally t***sforming America.” One cannot help but wonder if this is truly the fundamental change Americans were expecting or do the majority see that they’ve been conned, oppressed and systematically stripped of their liberties.

Be forewarned: we must watch for tyrannical centralized rule without action. Even though America may gain ground in the 2014 e******ns, the fact remains that Obama is still president and his cabinet still in power. Lawmakers may change but we can be certain of what will not change until something is done: “Obama will just continue to subvert the Constitution he took an oath to faithfully protect. His track record show us that no matter what the makeup of Congress is, he will twist his way around it with a pen and secure even more power reminiscent of a dictator,” says Vallely.

What happens when that does not work? He will most assuredly manipulate the courts and law enforcement will be run via authoritative decree by the man who will by then be a dictator.

Currently, Congress is addressing charges that Obama violated the Constitution. There is substantial concern that Obama’s power grab has reached unacceptable levels. Rep. Trey Gowdy, (R-S.C.) agrees, saying that Obama’s actions have reached “an unprecedented level and we’ve got to do something about it.”



Gowdy likens this to v**er ID. If a statute says you have to provide two forms of ID, can Obama require one—or even three? Or maybe he can suspend all requirements, Gowdy wonders. “If you can turn off certain categories of law, do you not also have the power to turn off all categories of law?”

Obama has show the greatest disrespect for our Constitution and that of the Oval Office. He has ignored i*********n l*ws despite Congress not approving the changes. There have been multiple arbitrary changes to the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare) and recess appointments of judges even when the U.S. Senate was clearly not in recess.

Gowdy is proposing taking the White House to court through a resolution proposed by Rep. Tom Rice (R-GA). This resolution would grant the House permission to sue the Obama administration. Already the resolution has 30 cosponsors. Legal action is at long last being taken to stop Obama’s clear overreach.

Fear is growing that Obama could refuse to enforce e******n laws effectively securing him the presidency for years to come. Says Gowdy, “If you can turn off i*********n l*ws, if you can turn off the mandatory minimum in our drug statues, if you can turn off the so-called Affordable Care Act—why not e******n laws?”

It is hard to argue with that reasoning unless you are an unfailing Obama supporter ’til death do us part. Liberal law professor Jonathan Turley agrees and adds that Obama is a danger to the Constitution. Turley was recently asked during a House Judiciary Committee hearing how Obama’s unilateral modification of act[s] of Congress affect the balance of power between the political branches and the liberty of the American people. His response was “The danger is quite severe. He is becoming the very danger Congress was designed to avoid. That is a concentration of power.”

He goes on to say, “There are two trends going which should be of equal concern to all members of Congress. One is that we have had the radical expansion of powers under President Bush and President Obama. We have what many once called an imperial presidency model of largely unchecked authority. And with that trend we also have the continued rise of this fourth branch. We have agencies that are quite large that issue regulations. The Supreme Court said recently that agencies could actually define their own or interpret their own jurisdiction.”

Turley has handled many high-profile, precedent-setting cases, including the successfully defending Petty Officer Daniel King, who faced the death penalty for alleged spying for Russia. In 1998, Turley was appointed to the prestigious Shapiro Chair for Public Interest at Georgetown. He has consulted for homeland security and his articles have appeared in the New York Times and USA Today.

At that same House Judiciary Committee hearing, Michael Cannon, director of Health Policy Studies for the Cato Institute suggested, “There is one last thing people can resort to if the government does not respect the restraints that the Constitution places on government.” He is referring to our revolutionary right to o*******w it. “That is certainly something no one wants to contemplate. If the people come to believe that the government is no longer constrained by the laws, then they will conclude that neither are they.” Cannon acknowledged that it is very dangerous for the president to ignore laws.

By all measures a “no confidence” v**e would send a powerful message around the world: America recognizes the mess Obama and this administration have created, the destruction and havoc they have wreaked upon America and its allies, and we unequivocally do not support his actions. Without that action, Vallely says, “Obama will just continue to subvert the Constitution he took an oath to faithfully protect.”

- See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/general-calls-massive-march-washington-32476/#sthash.V4xtq4m1.dpuf

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Dec 29, 2013 23:41:54   #
Papabear
 
You are correct it is not a Black Hawk but I wasn't going to go into specific nomenclature of the bird, but everyone can relate to the name Black Hawk

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Dec 29, 2013 23:46:14   #
Papabear
 
General calls for massive march on Washington

It’s time to confront Obama’s tyranny and recall the power of the people

A retired American military commander who earlier said that Americans need to confront Barack Obama’s tyranny now is recommending the Egyptian model through which to do that.

The Egyptian model, Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely explained on a podcast of an Internet radio show, was that 33 million people stood up to their government and told officials no.

His call for a massive march on Washington came recently on the WBTM (We Become The Media) show.

Saving our nation from the out-of-control tyranny cast upon our citizens by Obama could be settled by a v**e of “no confidence,” according to the founder of Stand Up America, an organization providing leaders with education resources that are based on the principles of our Founding Fathers.

With the credibility of our nation’s leadership evaporated, the lying, finger-pointing and excuses gone horribly awry, confidence has certainly been shattered. Vallely makes a good point, “What else is our nation to do now that the ‘rule-of-law’ has been thrown out the window by the Obama administration? How are we to trust our government anymore, now that lying and fraud are acceptable practices?”

Vallely points out that the list of blatant lies and broken promises is long:.

•LIE: He promised no lobbyists would work in his administration.
•LIE: He committed to slash earmarks.
•LIE: He promised to be the most t***sparent presidency in history.
•LIE: He promised to put an end to “phony accounting.”
•LIE: He promised to restore trust in government.
•LIE: He pledged to seek public financing in the general e******n.
•LIE: He promised to treat super-PACS as a “threat to democracy.”
•LIE: He pledged to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.
•LIE: He promised to create five million new energy jobs alone. (Note: The total number of jobs created in Obama’s first term was roughly one-tenth that figure.)
•LIE: He promised to create “shovel-ready’ jobs.
•LIE: He promised to lift two million Americans from poverty. (Note: A record 46 million Americans are now living in poverty during the Obama era.)
•LIE: He promised to slash health care premiums by $2,500 for the typical family … allow Americans to keep their health care coverage if they liked it … refuse to fund a******n via the Affordable Care Act … respect religious liberties … and insisted that the mandate to buy insurance, enforced by financial penalties, was not a tax.
•LIE: He pledged to stop the rise of oceans.
•LIE: He promised to “remake the world” and “heal the planet.”
•LIE: He promised to punish Syria if it crossed the “red line” of using chemical weapons
•LIE: He assured us that as president “I don’t bluff.”
•LIE: He trumpeted the Russian reset. (Note: Tensions between Russia and the US are increasing and examples of Russia undermining U.S. interests are multiplying.)
•LIE: He promised to bring us together (Note: He is the most polarizing president in the history of the Gallup poll.)
•LIE: He promised to put an end to politics that “breeds division and conflict and cynicism.”
•LIE: He counseled us to “resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.”

Americans can no longer have confidence in this American president when virtually everything that flows forth from his mouth is a lie or a contorted t***h, selfishly shaped to fit a hidden agenda.

There is one thing that we are certain of though, says Vallely, “It is time to recall the reprobates and reclaim the power of the people. We need to start with the White House and all of Obama’s appointees, especially Eric Holder. Then it’s onto Harry Reid and Nancy Peolsi—the architects who shoved Obamacare down our throats. We cannot forget John Boehner and company who castigated the Tea Party caucus, which are only doing that which they campaigned on.”

“It is true that not all who ply the halls of power fit under that broad brush, but most of them are guilty of many egregious acts and we say it is time to hold a v**e of no confidence. It’s time for a recall,” insists Vallely.

Perhaps it was commentator Andrew C. McCarthy who best summed it up by saying, “Absent the political will to remove the president, he will remain president no matter how many high crimes and misdemeanors he stacks up…and absent the removal of the president, the United States will be fundamentally t***sformed.”

President Obama ran on the platform of “fundamentally t***sforming America.” One cannot help but wonder if this is truly the fundamental change Americans were expecting or do the majority see that they’ve been conned, oppressed and systematically stripped of their liberties.

Be forewarned: we must watch for tyrannical centralized rule without action. Even though America may gain ground in the 2014 e******ns, the fact remains that Obama is still president and his cabinet still in power. Lawmakers may change but we can be certain of what will not change until something is done: “Obama will just continue to subvert the Constitution he took an oath to faithfully protect. His track record show us that no matter what the makeup of Congress is, he will twist his way around it with a pen and secure even more power reminiscent of a dictator,” says Vallely.

What happens when that does not work? He will most assuredly manipulate the courts and law enforcement will be run via authoritative decree by the man who will by then be a dictator.

Currently, Congress is addressing charges that Obama violated the Constitution. There is substantial concern that Obama’s power grab has reached unacceptable levels. Rep. Trey Gowdy, (R-S.C.) agrees, saying that Obama’s actions have reached “an unprecedented level and we’ve got to do something about it.”

Gowdy likens this to v**er ID. If a statute says you have to provide two forms of ID, can Obama require one—or even three? Or maybe he can suspend all requirements, Gowdy wonders. “If you can turn off certain categories of law, do you not also have the power to turn off all categories of law?”

Obama has show the greatest disrespect for our Constitution and that of the Oval Office. He has ignored i*********n l*ws despite Congress not approving the changes. There have been multiple arbitrary changes to the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare) and recess appointments of judges even when the U.S. Senate was clearly not in recess.

Gowdy is proposing taking the White House to court through a resolution proposed by Rep. Tom Rice (R-GA). This resolution would grant the House permission to sue the Obama administration. Already the resolution has 30 cosponsors. Legal action is at long last being taken to stop Obama’s clear overreach.

Fear is growing that Obama could refuse to enforce e******n laws effectively securing him the presidency for years to come. Says Gowdy, “If you can turn off i*********n l*ws, if you can turn off the mandatory minimum in our drug statues, if you can turn off the so-called Affordable Care Act—why not e******n laws?”

It is hard to argue with that reasoning unless you are an unfailing Obama supporter ’til death do us part. Liberal law professor Jonathan Turley agrees and adds that Obama is a danger to the Constitution. Turley was recently asked during a House Judiciary Committee hearing how Obama’s unilateral modification of act[s] of Congress affect the balance of power between the political branches and the liberty of the American people. His response was “The danger is quite severe. He is becoming the very danger Congress was designed to avoid. That is a concentration of power.”

He goes on to say, “There are two trends going which should be of equal concern to all members of Congress. One is that we have had the radical expansion of powers under President Bush and President Obama. We have what many once called an imperial presidency model of largely unchecked authority. And with that trend we also have the continued rise of this fourth branch. We have agencies that are quite large that issue regulations. The Supreme Court said recently that agencies could actually define their own or interpret their own jurisdiction.”

Turley has handled many high-profile, precedent-setting cases, including the successfully defending Petty Officer Daniel King, who faced the death penalty for alleged spying for Russia. In 1998, Turley was appointed to the prestigious Shapiro Chair for Public Interest at Georgetown. He has consulted for homeland security and his articles have appeared in the New York Times and USA Today.

At that same House Judiciary Committee hearing, Michael Cannon, director of Health Policy Studies for the Cato Institute suggested, “There is one last thing people can resort to if the government does not respect the restraints that the Constitution places on government.” He is referring to our revolutionary right to o*******w it. “That is certainly something no one wants to contemplate. If the people come to believe that the government is no longer constrained by the laws, then they will conclude that neither are they.” Cannon acknowledged that it is very dangerous for the president to ignore laws.

By all measures a “no confidence” v**e would send a powerful message around the world: America recognizes the mess Obama and this administration have created, the destruction and havoc they have wreaked upon America and its allies, and we unequivocally do not support his actions. Without that action, Vallely says, “Obama will just continue to subvert the Constitution he took an oath to faithfully protect.”

- See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/general-calls-massive-march-washington-32476/#sthash.QtcbpXL6.dpuf

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Dec 29, 2013 23:59:59   #
Papabear
 
I see what you are talking about, I can only blame it on lack of sleep and old age, I don't see any way I can correct it now,

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Dec 30, 2013 00:50:07   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
oldroy wrote:
This is the most on the nose post on this thread. Too many of those you talk about who really don't seem to see what is going on won't understand you till martial law comes along and they don't know enough about what is going on to know that there will be no real e******ns held under martial law.

Keep trying, lady. I don't think many leaners even know enough for you to convince them, though.


I suppose that is one of my greatest concerns. That he will declare martial law.

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Dec 30, 2013 11:30:57   #
mikeinco
 
I've been reading a lot about Maj. Gen. Vallely and his public stand against the current Regime. He is calling for a v**e of "No Confidence." While I h**e to dispute my senior, I believe this v**e will be meaningless and an exercise in futility. Calling for yet another march on DC will accomplish nothing. How many march's, speech's, radio talk show appearances does it take to force the issue? We have marched, talked and sporadically organized, all to no avail. Without a coherent and methodical organization of Patriots with proven leaders(Gen. Vallely comes to mind) we will accomplish nothing. I just read Patrick Henry's give me Liberty speech, which I highly suggest everybody read, and the principles and arguments presented are as valid today as when it was first given. I suggest we all become prepared and organized for the coming socio-policical conflict.

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Dec 30, 2013 13:05:46   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
mikeinco wrote:
I've been reading a lot about Maj. Gen. Vallely and his public stand against the current Regime. He is calling for a v**e of "No Confidence." While I h**e to dispute my senior, I believe this v**e will be meaningless and an exercise in futility. Calling for yet another march on DC will accomplish nothing. How many march's, speech's, radio talk show appearances does it take to force the issue? We have marched, talked and sporadically organized, all to no avail. Without a coherent and methodical organization of Patriots with proven leaders(Gen. Vallely comes to mind) we will accomplish nothing. I just read Patrick Henry's give me Liberty speech, which I highly suggest everybody read, and the principles and arguments presented are as valid today as when it was first given. I suggest we all become prepared and organized for the coming socio-policical conflict.
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I agree in principle, but have another possibility for a stance we could take. What if we put together a common law grand jury and it pondered the cases re government officials' crimes and unconstitutional acts? What if that grand jury ordered the arrest of those persons? What if a common law jury was formed, and a common law "judge" was appointed to try these prisoners?

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