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Jan 29, 2017 14:34:27   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
I'm getting just a little tired of hearing the Dems say that we have such a great Vetting process. Just because u say the process takes 2-5 years and they are vetted completely. BS. THE PAPERWORK LAYS ON SOMEONE'S DESK FOR 2-5 YEARS. OH....NEXT...YOU'RE VETTED! If there's some caos in the airports where they have to wait a while..so be it. Get over it. You've had it easy for toooooo long....

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Jan 29, 2017 15:02:54   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
kankune wrote:
I'm getting just a little tired of hearing the Dems say that we have such a great Vetting process. Just because u say the process takes 2-5 years and they are vetted completely. BS. THE PAPERWORK LAYS ON SOMEONE'S DESK FOR 2-5 YEARS. OH....NEXT...YOU'RE VETTED! If there's some caos in the airports where they have to wait a while..so be it. Get over it. You've had it easy for toooooo long....


You are talking about the Federal Malaise, no one can be fired so no one works. Management is content with this because they can demonstrate backlogs which permit them larger budgets to hire more manpower, thus increasing their importance and influence. Consultants love it because they use a three man team to do the work of a few hundred Federal employees while charging enormous fees for work that should have been done in house but wasn't..

Management loves this because it permits hiring more specialists to deal with outside contractors.
All this because some lazy schlump left the paperwork on his desk for two and a half years when in t***h there is NO WAY to vet these immigrants since there are no records where they came from.

The immigration office is particularly prone to this, I have known several legal immigrants who have been required to submit extremely expensive documentation many times because their paperwork "got lost". The t***h of the matter is that when someones slush pile got too high they cleared their allotted work by sweeping the records into the trash.

We need immigration reform, fire everybody in the INS and replace them. Fire and replace the new employees when their backlog exceeds three months.

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Jan 29, 2017 15:09:09   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
kankune wrote:
I'm getting just a little tired of hearing the Dems say that we have such a great Vetting process. Just because u say the process takes 2-5 years and they are vetted completely. BS. THE PAPERWORK LAYS ON SOMEONE'S DESK FOR 2-5 YEARS. OH....NEXT...YOU'RE VETTED! If there's some caos in the airports where they have to wait a while..so be it. Get over it. You've had it easy for toooooo long....









Amen, kankune. The "vetting process" can only be done with past records of the Middle-Eastern "refugee/terrorist," and chances are, {especially if they are terrorists}, the records, {much like BHO's}, have all been either (D)estroyed or "scrubbed." Because {radical} Islam has a special dispensation for ANYTHING to "forward" the cause of Islam, even the "eating bacon," and denial of support for Hamas or Hezbollah has no bearing on reality. Hell, 7th century radical Islamic terrorists can even wear a Crucifix {or drink whiskey or deny the Qur'an or deny Sharia Law or cavort with prostitutes or talk to an infidel or seek Western free-market political position to the highest office in-our-land}, if it will forward Islam even an inch!!! NO PROBLEM. Just get Jewish interrogators involved in the American "vetting process." Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!!

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Jan 29, 2017 15:09:48   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
kankune wrote:
I'm getting just a little tired of hearing the Dems say that we have such a great Vetting process. Just because u say the process takes 2-5 years and they are vetted completely. BS. THE PAPERWORK LAYS ON SOMEONE'S DESK FOR 2-5 YEARS. OH....NEXT...YOU'RE VETTED! If there's some caos in the airports where they have to wait a while..so be it. Get over it. You've had it easy for toooooo long....


I agree with you, and this article should make people stop and take notice:

"Citing in part "alarming security concerns," the public watchdog for the Department of Homeland Security issued an unusual "urgent" alert Monday warning U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services that it should not restart its long-troubled electronic system for processing immigrants' applications for citizenship and other naturalization benefits.

The Electronic Immigration System, or ELIS, was discontinued last August after the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General uncovered widespread security flaws.

Notably, the system had erroneously granted 20,000 green cards and it approved 175 applications for citizenship despite incomplete or inaccurate security and background checks.

"Without sufficient vetting, immigrants could potentially be granted U.S. citizenship although they are ineligible or pose national security threats," Homeland Security Inspector General John Roth wrote in a Friday memo to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

The system entered development in 2009 as a way to ease benefits applications for immigrants, and it was scheduled to be completed in 2013. By the time the program launched in 2012, however, it offered just two of the dozens of the services it was supposed to provide, and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services estimated it would need another three years and $1 billion to complete the program. Subsequent audits made public March, November and January uncovered a raft of security concerns.

However, the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General apparently learned that, despite the issues, U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services planned to reinstate the program as soon as this month, stoking alarm that the agency had not properly addressed the issues identified in the inspector general's audit, the full results of which still have not yet been released.

"The urgent recommendation stems from an ongoing review which discovered alarming security concerns regarding inadequate background checks and other functionality problems with ELIS," the office said in a statement, which used the word "urgent" twice in one paragraph as well as the document's title. "Rather than waiting several months to issue a report when the ongoing audit is completed, the OIG is taking the extraordinary step of elevating this urgent issue to USCIS leadership early so that immediate corrective action can be taken."

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/pr/2017/oigpr-012317.pdf

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Jan 29, 2017 15:15:07   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
pafret wrote:
You are talking about the Federal Malaise, no one can be fired so no one works. Management is content with this because they can demonstrate backlogs which permit them larger budgets to hire more manpower, thus increasing their importance and influence. Consultants love it because they use a three man team to do the work of a few hundred Federal employees while charging enormous fees for work that should have been done in house but wasn't..

Management loves this because it permits hiring more specialists to deal with outside contractors.
All this because some lazy schlump left the paperwork on his desk for two and a half years when in t***h there is NO WAY to vet these immigrants since there are no records where they came from.

The immigration office is particularly prone to this, I have known several legal immigrants who have been required to submit extremely expensive documentation many times because their paperwork "got lost". The t***h of the matter is that when someones slush pile got too high they cleared their allotted work by sweeping the records into the trash.

We need immigration reform, fire everybody in the INS and replace them. Fire and replace the new employees when their backlog exceeds three months.
You are talking about the Federal Malaise, no one ... (show quote)


Thank you. That was a good post. I agree...

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Jan 29, 2017 15:33:07   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I agree with you, and this article should make people stop and take notice:

"Citing in part "alarming security concerns," the public watchdog for the Department of Homeland Security issued an unusual "urgent" alert Monday warning U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services that it should not restart its long-troubled electronic system for processing immigrants' applications for citizenship and other naturalization benefits.

The Electronic Immigration System, or ELIS, was discontinued last August after the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General uncovered widespread security flaws.

Notably, the system had erroneously granted 20,000 green cards and it approved 175 applications for citizenship despite incomplete or inaccurate security and background checks.

"Without sufficient vetting, immigrants could potentially be granted U.S. citizenship although they are ineligible or pose national security threats," Homeland Security Inspector General John Roth wrote in a Friday memo to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

The system entered development in 2009 as a way to ease benefits applications for immigrants, and it was scheduled to be completed in 2013. By the time the program launched in 2012, however, it offered just two of the dozens of the services it was supposed to provide, and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services estimated it would need another three years and $1 billion to complete the program. Subsequent audits made public March, November and January uncovered a raft of security concerns.

However, the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General apparently learned that, despite the issues, U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services planned to reinstate the program as soon as this month, stoking alarm that the agency had not properly addressed the issues identified in the inspector general's audit, the full results of which still have not yet been released.

"The urgent recommendation stems from an ongoing review which discovered alarming security concerns regarding inadequate background checks and other functionality problems with ELIS," the office said in a statement, which used the word "urgent" twice in one paragraph as well as the document's title. "Rather than waiting several months to issue a report when the ongoing audit is completed, the OIG is taking the extraordinary step of elevating this urgent issue to USCIS leadership early so that immediate corrective action can be taken."

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/pr/2017/oigpr-012317.pdf
I agree with you, and this article should make peo... (show quote)


So in others words an incompetently developed program produced, arguably invalid green cards and naturalization through error.. They knew when they started using it there were only two of the twelve systems in use, yet never completed it or corrected the matter...
Now there is need?? What have they been doing since they became aware of the " glitches" that amount to a c*********d integrated system that does little??

Is it no wonder we have no idea whom is where or how many are actually in this country..

So disheartening to see the slip shot operation of our government functions..

Let you or I owe a penny and they sure know right where we are and exactly what we are doing!!

Can the whole thing, go to human verification, slowed process or not...
If they can not be vetted, too bad.. The burden to verify falls on their ability to produce what is needed, not ours too....

Unreal!!!

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Jan 29, 2017 15:37:55   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I agree with you, and this article should make people stop and take notice:

"Citing in part "alarming security concerns," the public watchdog for the Department of Homeland Security issued an unusual "urgent" alert Monday warning U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services that it should not restart its long-troubled electronic system for processing immigrants' applications for citizenship and other naturalization benefits.

The Electronic Immigration System, or ELIS, was discontinued last August after the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General uncovered widespread security flaws.

Notably, the system had erroneously granted 20,000 green cards and it approved 175 applications for citizenship despite incomplete or inaccurate security and background checks.

"Without sufficient vetting, immigrants could potentially be granted U.S. citizenship although they are ineligible or pose national security threats," Homeland Security Inspector General John Roth wrote in a Friday memo to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

The system entered development in 2009 as a way to ease benefits applications for immigrants, and it was scheduled to be completed in 2013. By the time the program launched in 2012, however, it offered just two of the dozens of the services it was supposed to provide, and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services estimated it would need another three years and $1 billion to complete the program. Subsequent audits made public March, November and January uncovered a raft of security concerns.

However, the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General apparently learned that, despite the issues, U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services planned to reinstate the program as soon as this month, stoking alarm that the agency had not properly addressed the issues identified in the inspector general's audit, the full results of which still have not yet been released.

"The urgent recommendation stems from an ongoing review which discovered alarming security concerns regarding inadequate background checks and other functionality problems with ELIS," the office said in a statement, which used the word "urgent" twice in one paragraph as well as the document's title. "Rather than waiting several months to issue a report when the ongoing audit is completed, the OIG is taking the extraordinary step of elevating this urgent issue to USCIS leadership early so that immediate corrective action can be taken."

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/pr/2017/oigpr-012317.pdf
I agree with you, and this article should make peo... (show quote)







Yes, Penny, ESPECIALLY when the (D)irectors and "Officials" {board members} of HLS/FEMA {CIA, AG, DOJ, IRS, ATFE, NSA, FCC, HUD, EPA, NRA, etc.}, like John Brennan, Valerie Jarrett and Jeh Johnson {sounds as American as apple pie}, are, {were} "appointed," un-vetted, "devout" {pro-Sharia Law} Muslims. Hummm. President Trump is changing all-that now, but radical f*****t "Giorgi" Soros (D), radical Islamic terrorist affiliated MB (D), and "red-(D)iaper baby" Michael Moore (D), are financing {with a "tweet"}, and the complicit "lap-dog, state-run, alphabet channel" media are encouraging the current violent anti-American, anti-Semitic, "Hammer and Sickle" opposition to President "45" Trump, {and American, Israeli and Western culture}, in general. There is now a radical, secular liberal progressive, 24/7/365, Marx/Alinsky attempt to Impeach, (D)ismantle and (D)eligitimize President Trump and Western free-market civilization!!! Hummmmmmm, again. R**ts, l**ting, arson, "PIG" k*****g, vandalization, protesting and violent (D)emonstrations will either be a "scorched-earth" movement for a p**********l "DO-OVER," or, as Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" warned these radicals, page after page after page; "a rapid crushing." Hummmmmmmmmm, again. What's that "crushing" noise I keep hearing??? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!!

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Jan 29, 2017 15:40:44   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Linda,

This my friend is only the tip of the iceberg. When you dig into how things are done, the more disheartening it becomes. And the news... well, I did not see this reported. More than 20,000 given green cards with unknown attachments and in a very short time.... how many are not counted in this? I noticed that the news is all over the "fact" that the countries on the TEMPORARY list did not attack us on 9/11... but, they do not mention the attacks abroad. If it can happen there?? Here is another report that "is not newsworthy." https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm

lindajoy wrote:
So in others words an incompetently developed program produced, arguably invalid green cards and naturalization through error.. They knew when they started using it there were only two of the twelve systems in use, yet never completed it or corrected the matter...
Now there is need?? What have they been doing since they became aware of the " glitches" that amount to a c*********d integrated system that does little??

Is it no wonder we have no idea whom is where or how many are actually in this country..

So disheartening to see the slip shot operation of our government functions..

Let you or I owe a penny and they sure know right where we are and exactly what we are doing!!

Can the whole thing, go to human verification, slowed process or not...
If they can not be vetted, too bad.. The burden to verify falls on their ability to produce what is needed, not ours too....

Unreal!!!
So in others words an incompetently developed prog... (show quote)

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Jan 29, 2017 15:41:09   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
kankune wrote:
I'm getting just a little tired of hearing the Dems say that we have such a great Vetting process. Just because u say the process takes 2-5 years and they are vetted completely. BS. THE PAPERWORK LAYS ON SOMEONE'S DESK FOR 2-5 YEARS. OH....NEXT...YOU'RE VETTED! If there's some caos in the airports where they have to wait a while..so be it. Get over it. You've had it easy for toooooo long....


Agreed .. I'm so tired of hearing about i*****l i*******ts and immigrants rights in general , while homeless Vets and American citizens live on the streets in a perpetual cycle of drug and alcohol abuse . Until we are willing to help our own citizens , all others be damned ..

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Jan 29, 2017 15:43:03   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I think that our President is much smarter than the democrats give him credit. All their efforts will fail!

robmull wrote:
Yes, Penny, ESPECIALLY when the (D)irectors and "Officials" {board members} of HLS/FEMA {CIA, AG, DOJ, IRS, ATFE, NSA, FCC, HUD, EPA, NRA, etc.}, like John Brennan, Valerie Jarrett and Jeh Johnson {sounds as American as apple pie}, are, {were} "appointed," un-vetted, "devout" {pro-Sharia Law} Muslims. Hummm. President Trump is changing all-that now, but radical f*****t "Giorgi" Soros (D), radical Islamic terrorist affiliated MB (D), and "red-(D)iaper baby" Michael Moore (D), are financing {with a "tweet"}, and the complicit "lap-dog, state-run, alphabet channel" media are encouraging the current violent anti-American, anti-Semitic, "Hammer and Sickle" opposition to President "45" Trump, {and American, Israeli and Western culture}, in general. There is now a 24/7/365 attempt to Impeach, (D)ismantle and (D)eligitimize President Trump and Western free-market civilization!!! Hummmmmmm, again. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!!
Yes, Penny, ESPECIALLY when the (D)irectors and &q... (show quote)



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Jan 29, 2017 15:51:37   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I think that our President is much smarter than the democrats give him credit. All their efforts will fail!










"The efforts," Penny, are in the early stages of being "rapidly crushed" {Saul Alinsky}!!! You can't go around America with "Hammer and Sickle" signs, protesting, r**ting, k*****g, raping and violently (D)emonstrating, l**ting, burning, vandalizing and k*****g "PIGS," for too long, before America gets REALLY PISSED!!! And "WE" are now REALLY PISSED!!!" GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! Suck-it-up, buttercup "liberalistas," and perhaps re? read, "red-(D)iaper baby," Saul Alinsky's, "Rules for Radicals," paying particular attention to the sections (D)enoting "the radical movements exposure to the enemy, America," and especially the "rapidly crushed" passages!!! Hummmmmmmmmmm.

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Jan 29, 2017 17:29:33   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
reconreb wrote:
Agreed .. I'm so tired of hearing about i*****l i*******ts and immigrants rights in general , while homeless Vets and American citizens live on the streets in a perpetual cycle of drug and alcohol abuse . Until we are willing to help our own citizens , all others be damned ..


I agree Recon. When you have these lying, c***ting politicians that are more worried about illegal/criminal aliens then they are as u said the American citizens and our homeless vets, this is beyond low of low. They're padding their pockets from it and we know it. They have no concern for American lives...

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Jan 29, 2017 19:01:00   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
kankune wrote:
I agree Recon. When you have these lying, c***ting politicians that are more worried about illegal/criminal aliens then they are as u said the American citizens and our homeless vets, this is beyond low of low. They're padding their pockets from it and we know it. They have no concern for American lives...


Yes ,, thanks for reminding me about the funds some Congress critters are invested in that provide services for i******s ,, its despicable how they enrich themselves ..

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Jan 30, 2017 22:04:20   #
Radiance3
 
kankune wrote:
I'm getting just a little tired of hearing the Dems say that we have such a great Vetting process. Just because u say the process takes 2-5 years and they are vetted completely. BS. THE PAPERWORK LAYS ON SOMEONE'S DESK FOR 2-5 YEARS. OH....NEXT...YOU'RE VETTED! If there's some caos in the airports where they have to wait a while..so be it. Get over it. You've had it easy for toooooo long....


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We are at war with Radical Islam. It is the right of President Trump to ban all refugees coming from countries populated mostly with RADICAL ISLAM. The most important job of the president is protecting the American people. Although Mr. Obama did not do that. But welcome President Trump, he loves this country and the people. He is protecting us.

During WW2, German refugees were not allowed to enter the United States. Likewise Japanese refugees were not allowed to enter the United States. Now,we are at war with Radical Islam. And all people from those countries must not be allowed to enter the US.

Christians are victims of Radical Islam in the Middle East. Radical Islam are k*****g all of them; taking their properties. burning their homes, destroying their antiquities; to erase their roots in the Middle East. Christians and Jews owned the land.
In 2016 there were 28 Christians who were able to come, but Mr. Obama did not accept them. They were required to go back, and when they went back, ISIS k**led all of them.

We must welcome Christian refugees, because Radical Islam are k*****g all of them. Those are the people who need to be allowed to enter the US. No Radical Islam please!!

K*****g and deceptions like lying are commanded by the Islam god. That is why they do jihad as their mission.

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Jan 30, 2017 22:31:27   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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We are at war with Radical Islam. It is the right of President Trump to ban all refugees coming from countries populated mostly with RADICAL ISLAM. The most important job of the president is protecting the American people. Although Mr. Obama did not do that. But welcome President Trump, he loves this country and the people. He is protecting us.

During WW2, German refugees were not allowed to enter the United States. Likewise Japanese refugees were not allowed to enter the United States. Now,we are at war with Radical Islam. And all people from those countries must not be allowed to enter the US.

Christians are victims of Radical Islam in the Middle East. Radical Islam are k*****g all of them; taking their properties. burning their homes, destroying their antiquities; to erase their roots in the Middle East. Christians and Jews owned the land.
In 2016 there were 28 Christians who were able to come, but Mr. Obama did not accept them. They were required to go back, and when they went back, ISIS k**led all of them.

We must welcome Christian refugees, because Radical Islam are k*****g all of them. Those are the people who need to be allowed to enter the US. No Radical Islam please!!

K*****g and deceptions like lying are commanded by the Islam god. That is why they do jihad as their mission.
=================== br We are at war with Radical ... (show quote)


I totally agree Rad. He's doing is job. That's why we elected him. Damn proud of our new President.

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