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Jan 25, 2017 20:58:16   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Don't quite understand some of what I read. People creating and condoning sanctuary cities/counties/colleges ignore the fact those in the country without a visa or overstaying it are violating the laws of immigration. True or false?
Assuming true is the answer, why aren't those who fail to enforce the law not guilty of violating first their oath and also condoning the breaking of the law. Why aren't they accessories? And as such subject to penalties as well. Aren't they harboring illegal persons? Concealing or hiding other lawbreakers is a crime like giving even a suspected criminal refuge, a car to escape and lying to cover any part of it up.
Can anyone imagine the Gov of Texas having the sheriff of the sanctuary county arrested and put in a cell with a few i******s?
Please tell me what I am missing here.

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Jan 25, 2017 21:17:39   #
Nutter Loc: Fly Over Zone
 
What you are missing is the previous administrations justice department ignoring i*********n l*ws. Remember when
Arizona tried to pass legislation mimicking federal i*********n l*ws and the justice department came down hard. The Obama DOJ just looked the other way on i*****l i*********n. It was said that the border agents were more or less baby sitters as their hands were tied.

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Jan 25, 2017 21:32:59   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Nutter wrote:
What you are missing is the previous administrations justice department ignoring i*********n l*ws. Remember when
Arizona tried to pass legislation mimicking federal i*********n l*ws and the justice department came down hard. The Obama DOJ just looked the other way on i*****l i*********n. It was said that the border agents were more or less baby sitters as their hands were tied.


Of course you are correct. Also it is coming out that maybe more than a few were accepting bribes/drugs to look the other way.
I guess I am bummed about having laws that are not enforced regardless of of the origin of the law, fed,county, city, wh**ever.


Got a thought. Go git 'em Donald.

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Jan 25, 2017 22:30:16   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Obama is still an enemy of the United States in every way his actions and inactions while in office prove his hatred and seething venom even for the fool's who supported the snake.

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Jan 25, 2017 23:02:23   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
byronglimish wrote:
Obama is still an enemy of the United States in every way his actions and inactions while in office prove his hatred and seething venom even for the fool's who supported the snake.



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Jan 25, 2017 23:26:04   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Don't quite understand some of what I read. People creating and condoning sanctuary cities/counties/colleges ignore the fact those in the country without a visa or overstaying it are violating the laws of immigration. True or false?
Assuming true is the answer, why aren't those who fail to enforce the law not guilty of violating first their oath and also condoning the breaking of the law. Why aren't they accessories? And as such subject to penalties as well. Aren't they harboring illegal persons? Concealing or hiding other lawbreakers is a crime like giving even a suspected criminal refuge, a car to escape and lying to cover any part of it up.
Can anyone imagine the Gov of Texas having the sheriff of the sanctuary county arrested and put in a cell with a few i******s?
Please tell me what I am missing here.
Don't quite understand some of what I read. Peopl... (show quote)


Liberals actually have a real mental illness.

Example: they claim to be the "party of tolerance"...they r**t, burn cars just parked on the street, have small children carry signs with vulgar sexually graphic pictures on them, have their Celebrity Spokespersons threaten to blow up the White House PUBLICLY, give financial aide to Nations that are the enemy of our allies, Forced everyone to have NO freedom regarding health care, stage protest that they hire agitators to turn the protest into a violent conflict, have provided arms and finances that started ISIS, violate every single code that deals with national security, cause murders to happen both on US soil, but on foreign soil as well. Liberals have attacked our economy, destroyed honesty in news reporting, lied about the job market and unemployment status, allowed non documented aliens to enter our Nation to create economic havoc, crime, social unrest.

These are but a short few things liberals are ALL guilty of. They are a diseased mind. No matter what DEFENSE to these things they could say, honestly, they all need to be removed from our society, and to not be allowed to exist within our Nation.

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Jan 26, 2017 16:36:18   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Don't quite understand some of what I read. People creating and condoning sanctuary cities/counties/colleges ignore the fact those in the country without a visa or overstaying it are violating the laws of immigration. True or false?
Assuming true is the answer, why aren't those who fail to enforce the law not guilty of violating first their oath and also condoning the breaking of the law. Why aren't they accessories? And as such subject to penalties as well. Aren't they harboring illegal persons? Concealing or hiding other lawbreakers is a crime like giving even a suspected criminal refuge, a car to escape and lying to cover any part of it up.
Can anyone imagine the Gov of Texas having the sheriff of the sanctuary county arrested and put in a cell with a few i******s?
Please tell me what I am missing here.
Don't quite understand some of what I read. Peopl... (show quote)


YOUR missing the fact they are bleeding hearts who think of others before their own. They think you and I are monsters and have no compassion for the down trodden. They don't pay heed to the dangers of letting a stranger into their country. So what if #1 they bring in diseases,violence,economic difficulties for the towns they reside in.

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Jan 26, 2017 17:04:38   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Don't quite understand some of what I read. People creating and condoning sanctuary cities/counties/colleges ignore the fact those in the country without a visa or overstaying it are violating the laws of immigration. True or false?
Assuming true is the answer, why aren't those who fail to enforce the law not guilty of violating first their oath and also condoning the breaking of the law. Why aren't they accessories? And as such subject to penalties as well. Aren't they harboring illegal persons? Concealing or hiding other lawbreakers is a crime like giving even a suspected criminal refuge, a car to escape and lying to cover any part of it up.
Can anyone imagine the Gov of Texas having the sheriff of the sanctuary county arrested and put in a cell with a few i******s?
Please tell me what I am missing here.
Don't quite understand some of what I read. Peopl... (show quote)



Hope this helps you..~~
President Trump signed an executive order Wednesday designed to crack down on so-called sanctuary cities and setting up a showdown with immigration advocates....

The order will "strip federal grant money "from the sanctuary states and cities that harbor i*****l i*******ts".....

The order declares that entities labeled "sanctuary jurisdictions" by the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security will be "not eligible" for federal grants, and it directs the Office of Management and Budget to compile federal grant money currently going to sanctuary jurisdictions.

Previous to President Trump, BO had a very relaxed policy of turning blind to the number of i******s coming in to his open arms policy of come on in.....

What are Sanctuary cities/States???
Most are those who do not adhere to cooperating with the Feds on reporting the illegal and in fact ignoring the i*********n l*ws on the books....

They chose to deal with the issue as they seem fit, while taking federal budget income to handle them..

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Jan 26, 2017 17:20:27   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Nutter wrote:
What you are missing is the previous administrations justice department ignoring i*********n l*ws. Remember when
Arizona tried to pass legislation mimicking federal i*********n l*ws and the justice department came down hard. The Obama DOJ just looked the other way on i*****l i*********n. It was said that the border agents were more or less baby sitters as their hands were tied.


The use, sale, etc of marijuana is still against federal law but Obama, once a serious doper himself, sat on his thumbs and so did his AG. Both of them! Obviously the black mamba violated his sworn oath to enforce laws on marijuana as he did with immigration etc, etc, etc, etc, etc!

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Jan 26, 2017 17:25:48   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
bggamers wrote:
YOUR missing the fact they are bleeding hearts who think of others before their own. They think you and I are monsters and have no compassion for the down trodden. They don't pay heed to the dangers of letting a stranger into their country. So what if #1 they bring in diseases,violence,economic difficulties for the towns they reside in.
YOUR missing the fact they are bleeding hearts who... (show quote)


I can't argue with the points made so let's go back a step. Why are there 'good' people and 'bad' people?
May we suggest wherever the influence is stronger. I know of people who have gone through divorce where the mother exerted the strongest influence over a child or children. Dad's influence was negated for wh**ever reason and the child/children adopted mom's way of doing business to what determined the kids attitude, character, etc. I hasten to add the reverse between wife and husband certainly happens. I am merely discussing two cases that went the way I mentioned.

You cannot force people to be religious nor force people to be patriotic but we can influence behavior to instill these qualities. We might infer people who don't share these qualities were not subjected to the influence that brings the qualities out.
I really feel sorry for people that were not taught by their parents/guardians to develop a work ethic, be honest, and so many other traits most of us enjoy.
Our pioneer forebears passed on down to the next generation what was in vogue at the time and hoped it would take care of them. The succeeding generation did likewise. Somewhere it began to break down until we have what we have today.
I'm sure there are many reasons for this. Entropy in engineering is a premise that you never get back from a system all of what you put into it. So some of the 'goodness' will be lost each generation same as crafts and sk**ls.
How do we go back? Can't even guess a working solution. We should be thinking about it a bit.
Hope this is not too long/boring to try to make a point. Try to instill behavioral traits in your children that you would like your next neighbor to have.

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Jan 26, 2017 17:43:39   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Thanks for the info re sanctuary federal funds, what happens then? Are we deporting them? Or are we going to have 20-30 million homeless? Will they go home? I guess we wait and see.
I agree with 'no free anything' to i******s. I would be an advocate of arresting the officials that turn their heads and ignoring illegal behavior. A couple convictions of shielding criminals might make some of the others reconsider. There is really no excuse. Why have laws if some are able to pick the ones they will follow or enforce.
I guess I missed the part in the Constitution about choosing which law is ok by me. I do recall the oath each one swears to enforce when taking office.

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Jan 26, 2017 17:55:50   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
I can't argue with the points made so let's go back a step. Why are there 'good' people and 'bad' people?
May we suggest wherever the influence is stronger. I know of people who have gone through divorce where the mother exerted the strongest influence over a child or children. Dad's influence was negated for wh**ever reason and the child/children adopted mom's way of doing business to what determined the kids attitude, character, etc. I hasten to add the reverse between wife and husband certainly happens. I am merely discussing two cases that went the way I mentioned.

You cannot force people to be religious nor force people to be patriotic but we can influence behavior to instill these qualities. We might infer people who don't share these qualities were not subjected to the influence that brings the qualities out.
I really feel sorry for people that were not taught by their parents/guardians to develop a work ethic, be honest, and so many other traits most of us enjoy.
Our pioneer forebears passed on down to the next generation what was in vogue at the time and hoped it would take care of them. The succeeding generation did likewise. Somewhere it began to break down until we have what we have today.
I'm sure there are many reasons for this. Entropy in engineering is a premise that you never get back from a system all of what you put into it. So some of the 'goodness' will be lost each generation same as crafts and sk**ls.
How do we go back? Can't even guess a working solution. We should be thinking about it a bit.
Hope this is not too long/boring to try to make a point. Try to instill behavioral traits in your children that you would like your next neighbor to have.
I can't argue with the points made so let's go bac... (show quote)


Its hard but unless we turn this country around a first step we will go down. If you read any book on how to take down a country their big start is from within. And we have sat and never paid attention to what was happening. They have used our schools ,turned our churches and now we have several generations of people who have no clue the road they are trying to make us go down. Because their world is about me,myself and I they don't see beyond that then you have the ones who want to bring all the poor people here and think they are saving the world. My generation was about being proud of home and country and welcoming the legal new comers but we paid attention.Of course as you get older you assume the younger people have it in hand our bad. We probably will never get back where we were but we need to clean our own house and be more diligent about how we see our goverment and our roll in it. We are the employer and we need to over see these people we elect to REPRESENT US. Instead of sitting back and not paying attention to what they do. I'm hoping Trump puts a crimp in their butts like no more lobbist.Today the politicans could care less about you and me they want those corp money hand outs that make them rich,rich,rich!!!!!! You and I could drop off a cliff for all they care. Thats why I'm glad Trump has brought in professionals to get the job done. Sorry I get carried away

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Jan 26, 2017 18:45:22   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
In no way , shape or form do I support Obama but this issue has a much longer history than his term of president.
You can follow the history of cannabis here.
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000026


padremike wrote:
The use, sale, etc of marijuana is still against federal law but Obama, once a serious doper himself, sat on his thumbs and so did his AG. Both of them! Obviously the black mamba violated his sworn oath to enforce laws on marijuana as he did with immigration etc, etc, etc, etc, etc!

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Jan 26, 2017 19:08:37   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
I find absolutely nothing in your post to which I do not agree. Just one little note.
I am working on 83 years old. I began 1 st grade in 1939 and graduated from high school in 1951, just in time for the Korea War. I enlisted in the Navy rather than wait to be drafted.
Before I began school, I could read and write(print) and knew the multiplication tables and could stand and recite them without slouching or leaning against anything. We had prayer in school, we recited the pledge and actually studied. Emphasis on spelling, grammar, history and the like. Bad marks on report cards were dealt with. I don't remember any big deal re a good report card because after all that was why you were sent to school.
Just imagine my outlook on where our country is and appears to be going. I won't write all the kids off but there are several who could stand a bit of improvement in all areas such as dress, language, ambition, honesty, religion and patriotism.
Thanks for reading.

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