PeterS

Good, I am so GD tired of conservative's crying over this. "You guys c***t and it's not fair, WAAAAA" Well, prove it, fix it, or STFU.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

The following is a quote from http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-is-right-millions-of-i******s-probably-did-v**e-in-2016/

But, in fact, it's almost certain that i******s did v**e — and in significant numbers. Whether it was three million or not is another question.

While states control the v***r r**********n process, some states are so notoriously slipshod in their controls (California, Virginia and New York — all of which have political movements to legalize v****g by noncitizens — come to mind) that it would be shocking if many i******s didn't v**e. Remember, a low-ball estimate says there are at least 11 million to 12 million i******s in the U.S., but that's based on faulty Census data. More likely estimates put the number at 20 million to 30 million.

What's disappointing is that instead of at least seriously considering Trump's charge, many media reports merely parrot l*****t talking points and anti-Trump rhetoric by pushing the idea that Republicans and others not of the progressive left who seek to limit v****g to citizens only are r****t, xenophobic nuts.

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online E*******l Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 e******ns, i*****l i*******t v**es were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. e******ns, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful e******n outcomes including E*******l College v**es, and congressional e******ns," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old D******n University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen v**es likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th v**e needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that i******s may have cast as many as 2.8 million v**es in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of v**es. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their v**e has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen v**ers in recent U.S. e******ns is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. L*****t get-out-the-v**e groups openly urge noncitizens to v**e during e******n time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal v****g at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal v**es shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. e******ns. So why tolerate them?

When the far left began insinuating that the Russians had hacked the e******n, the media treated the nonsupported claims with the utmost of respect. They still do. But not Trump's suggestion that i******s v**ed, and in large numbers, mainly for Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton.

And, yes, Trump is right: Illegal v**es may in part explain why Hillary now has a nearly two-million-v**e lead in the popular v**e, even though she lost convincingly in the E*******l College. A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting i******s v**e, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why.

Yes, there is room for skepticism of any claim that's made. But every v**e cast by someone who isn't by law permitted to v**e disenfranchises American citizens. The charge should at least be taken seriously.

And this is a quote from http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

In spite of substantial public controversy, very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States e******ns. Although such participation is a violation of e******n laws in most parts of the United States, enforcement depends principally on disclosure of citizenship status at the time of v***r r**********n. This study examines participation rates by non-citizens using a nationally representative sample that includes non-citizen immigrants. We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. e******ns, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful e******n outcomes including E*******l College v**es, and Congressional e******ns. Non-citizen v**es likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th v**e needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.

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Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

Anytime a dim wit like you v**es, it's a case of v***r f***d....................Punk !

PeterS

As I said. This is your opportunity to prove the charge. I think you are going to find that it's not as easy as you think to commit v***r f***d. If you look at California for instance much has been made about their having a drivers licence but to register one has to prove citizenship with a birth certificate or citizenship papers--they just can't walk in and r******r to v**e. And this is the same in all states--at one point you are going to have to prove citizenship. But with that said, I want to finally see the proof--and no alternate facts allowed. This is the t***h, the whole t***h, and nothing but the t***h. If there is massive v***r f***d then we can fix it. If not, then we can forget about all the bulls**t that conservatives have been trying to shove down our throats simply because they believe ever damn thing their handlers feed them..,..

PeterS

Wolfie, I have only one person on ignore and now you convened me that it need to be two. If all you have to offer is to denigrate people you can do it on someone else thread...

Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas

We tried....it's called v**er ID...you know.....the thing your side is totally against, probably could have stopped those evil Russians from influencing the elction had v**er ID been in place.

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Careful what you wish for .. It will not matter though when the investigation into the fraud is done you will deny the results ,that's the whole problem with most on the left , an anvil of t***h could fall on you and just like Wiley Coyote , you just move on to the next losing plan of attack

Paybacktimeishere

Trump to look into v***r F***d

Of course the LEFT, used V***r F***d,
Just like the elderly, black woman, I Think She
Was In Chicago, Ill. She was convicted, after it
was actually proved, that She V**ed For OBAMA
200 times in the 2004 E******n. That was only the Tip Of The "V***r F***d Iceberg". Even Dead People "V**ed". Some State Counties, had
Twice as many people V**e, than actually Resided in their prospective, County. I*****l A***n's V**ed, "En Mass", primarily In Calif., Nevada, New York, Texas, FL., & New Mexico.
Don't Forget, The Radical, C*******t, LEFT'S
"Mantra", The End, Justifies, The Mean's; Straight Out Of "Das Capital", & The Liberal, L*****t, JEW, Karl Marx, & The Atheist, Radical,
Fredrick Engel's Both, Very Instrumental, In
The LEFT's "WAR" On Freedom, & Democracy.
The Only Way, To Defeat These T*****R'S, IS
To DESTROY Them, Once & For All Time!! It's
Either Them, Or us!? The Radical L*****t, Muslim,
OBAMA, Failed To Accomplish, What Billionaire,
"RED" JEW, SOROS Ordered Him To Do! If
Another Far Left(C*******t), Ever Attain's The
Presidency Again, IT WILL, Indeed, Be The END!! They Are A DISEASE, Very Much, In
Need, Of A "CURE"!!

Radiance3

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Historical record of V***R F***D in every state. These need to be cleaned up to put integrity to the results of the e******n process.
http://click2.thehornnews.com/t/Ag/Mgg/cPk/AEW2_Q/Yps/AAmxtg/AQ/ae55

Homestead

You really are brain dead aren't you?

You've been played and don't have a clue.

It won't matter how much fraud he finds, the fraud is there and it will be found.

The end result will be that you will never be able to block another v**er Id piece of legislation.

The people themselves will demand it.

And the beautiful thing is that it was the main stream media that demanded it from Trump.

He just gave them what they demanded.

PeterS

Here in Texas Willie you just have to show your DL. How is that any better than having to show your registration, matching it against the polls, and v****g? The only way for fraud to exist is for someone to break into someones house and steal someone elses registration. Can you name me the times that ever happened? And when you throw a DL into the mix is it really going to do anything? Hell, steal the DL too. Anyone can claim to have a bad DL photo so who's going to question? I do understand the principle behind wanting a v**er ID but if they have the papers to r******r to v**e then they can get a DL or State ID too, and vice versa.

PeterS

If he finds the fraud he claims to be there why would I want to block any v**er ID legislation? The only caveat I would make is that the state is responsible for t***sporting the disabled and and elderly plus paying for their ID's. So long as it wasn't being used to block anyone there is no reason to object to v**er ID's.

PeterS

The first case I pulled up was v***r f***d by rigging absentee b****ts. How is a v**er ID going to prevent the rigging of absentee b****ts?

PeterS

If that's the case than that's the case. I'm just tired of you guys crying and sniveling like a bunch of three year old's every e******n--it really does get old.

If v***r f***d exists; prove it, then fix the system and lets move on...

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

So let me get this straight ,, the left calls for recounts in 3 state suspecting fraud , hacking hoping to help the hillary and it ends up helping Trump and according to you the right is crying ,, how the hell does that work on your planet .. Then to make it even sweeter the lefty press challenge's Trump to do an investigation and now the left is sniveling that he is going to investigate .. PRICELESS !!! You i***ts are your own worst enemy ,,, Thank you so much Pete ,, perhaps you should start preparing the obituary for democrat party