The worst thing the Right wants to hear right now: "Let's talk" or "E pluribus unum"
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nation's wounds, since I have been here I have seen similar posts. Perhaps two or three. Naively, I expected not just some good and respectful debate but also an easing of the d******eness. The writer made such perfect common sense in his or her comments. Who could deny the basic decency in the request for greater unity? Then I read in growing depression and horror the responses from the Right. Yes, almost exclusively the Right. They were to the last against it. "No dang bridges in my neighborhood or time." "Liberals are the minions of Satan." "Dumbocrats are c****es looking to o*******w liberty for the One World Order." And so forth. Obviously people totally oblivious to the harm they are doing to keeping America great. America IS great: we do not have to change it.
Any laws or policies we have were passed by the democratic process, in which we are all still free to take part. We, as a nation, have made big mistakes before, serious and costly mistakes that often were the result of going against our Ideals, such as s***ery, Jim Crow Laws, our treatment of Native Americans, the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, and support of dictatorships that abused human rights in order for us to maintain an ally in that area. (All that is true: get a real history book.) But by our democratic process, both sides putting their special interests aside and working together for necessary change, we corrected those wrongs and our country grew stronger because of it.
Freedom is dangerous in and of itself, and the threats to freedom are many and diverse. In the past, as noted above, we succumbed to financial security with s***ery, h**e in Jim Crow Laws, greed and prejudice concerning Native Americans, fear in incarcerating fellow citizens without due process, and power in alliances with dictators. Yet, again, we overcame those errors because we are a Republic that cherishes the principles of liberty. But today we are facing the biggest challenge ever and our greatest enemy: ourselves. We need to break this ideological impasse and that means all of us must work hard and selflessly, overcoming our fears and prejudice, our need for safety and power, if such wonderful ideals are to survive another generation. To be truly free is not legislated by Congress and maintained by the courts but an individual act of will with a heart for those ideals.
What does it take? This is what I see.
Intellectual integrity demands an active resistance to confirmation bias and a determination to earnestly seek the t***h. I read and listen to Fox News, CNS, the Federalist, and other highly conservative, even alt-right, reporting everyday. I do not go a day without. I even started a thread recently written by the Federalist. I was taught to play the Devil's advocate with my most sacred beliefs, but especially those that are emotionally charged. Feel anger or h**e or fear: the need to step back, pause, and probe deeper has tripled. This by no way means that I or anyone else will come to the right conclusion or t***h every time or maybe even half the time (though I like to thinks so). It only means that loyalty to an ideology or distrust of the opposition is not nearly enough to keep America free and safe. Far too many here seem content to hivethink and lockstep. This nation is crumbling because of it. Stalwart d******eness, not a foreign enemy, will bring down this country. The petty and selfish efforts of patriotism by partisanship will be the eventual end of this “great experiment” of liberty. Say “E pluribus unum” now to a crowd and a r**t would break out. But that is this Republic's true motto: we have to start living it!
Having said all that, I find it doubtful I will get more than five comments, and five is hope talking.
Dr.Dross wrote:
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nation's wounds, since I have been here I have seen similar posts. Perhaps two or three. Naively, I expected not just some good and respectful debate but also an easing of the d******eness. The writer made such perfect common sense in his or her comments. Who could deny the basic decency in the request for greater unity? Then I read in growing depression and horror the responses from the Right. Yes, almost exclusively the Right. They were to the last against it. "No dang bridges in my neighborhood or time." "Liberals are the minions of Satan." "Dumbocrats are c****es looking to o*******w liberty for the One World Order." And so forth. Obviously people totally oblivious to the harm they are doing to keeping America great. America IS great: we do not have to change it.
Any laws or policies we have were passed by the democratic process, in which we are all still free to take part. We, as a nation, have made big mistakes before, serious and costly mistakes that often were the result of going against our Ideals, such as s***ery, Jim Crow Laws, our treatment of Native Americans, the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, and support of dictatorships that abused human rights to maintain an ally in that area. (All that is true: get a real history book.) But by our democratic process, both sides putting their special interests aside and working together for necessary change, we corrected those wrongs and our country grew stronger because of it.
Freedom is dangerous in and of itself, and the threats to freedom are many and diverse. In the past, as noted above, we succumbed to financial security with s***ery, h**e in Jim Crow Laws, greed and prejudice concerning Native Americans, fear in incarcerating fellow citizens without due process, and power in alliances with dictators. Yet, again, we overcame those errors because we are a Republic that cherishes the principles of liberty. But today we are facing the biggest challenge ever and our greatest enemy: ourselves. We need to break this ideological impasse and that means all of us must work hard and selflessly, overcoming our fears and prejudice, our need for safety and power, if such wonderful ideals are to survive another generation. To be truly free is not legislated by Congress and maintained by the courts but an individual act of will with a heart for those ideals.
What does it take? This is what I see.
Intellectual integrity demands an active resistance to confirmation bias and a determination to earnestly seek the t***h. I read and listen to Fox News, CNS, the Federalist, and other highly conservative, even alt-right, reporting everyday. I do not go a day without. I even started a thread recently written by the Federalist. I was taught to play the Devil's advocate with my most sacred beliefs, but especially those that are emotionally charged. Feel anger or h**e or fear: the need to step back, pause, and probe deeper has tripled. This by no way means that I or anyone else will come to the right conclusion or t***h every time or maybe even half the time (though I like to thinks so). It only means that loyalty to an ideology or distrust of the opposition is not nearly enough to keep America free and safe. Far too many here seem content to hivethink and lockstep. This nation is crumbling because of it. Stalwart d******eness, not a foreign enemy, will bring down this country. The petty and selfish efforts of patriotism by partisanship will be the eventual end of this “great experiment” of liberty. Say “E pluribus unum” now to a crowd and a r**t would break out. But that is this Republic's true motto: we have to start living it!
Having said all that, I find it doubtful I will get more than five comments, and five is hope talking.
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Let me be the first to respond. No, I didn't read your crap.
I have been called everything under the sun, lost family, friends, and relationships because of all of the bulls**t, l*****t ideaology.
Now that you have lost, we need to come together? You're feckin kidding. Right?
Piss off!
he's just another left wing troll Arch. I don't even bother reading what he has to say. They all lie. The last thing I want to do is find common ground with these lying assholes.
archie bunker wrote:
Let me be the first to respond. No, I didn't read your crap.
I have been called everything under the sun, lost family, friends, and relationships because of all of the bulls**t, l*****t ideaology.
Now that you have lost, we need to come together? You're feckin kidding. Right?
Piss off!
archie bunker wrote:
Let me be the first to respond. No, I didn't read your crap.
I have been called everything under the sun, lost family, friends, and relationships because of all of the bulls**t, l*****t ideaology.
Now that you have lost, we need to come together? You're feckin kidding. Right?
Piss off!
Lol, you said essentially the same thing last time. I remember your post. "Screw America!" Good attitude.
JFlorio wrote:
he's just another left wing troll Arch. I don't even bother reading what he has to say. They all lie. The last thing I want to do is find common ground with these lying assholes.
Listening to you guys is like listening to the guy on the Titanic who thought changing his seat might save him. Very, very sad. Seriously.
Seems your looking for approval not debate Want this country to come together find a way to give common sense to the left. Good Luck!
Dr.Dross wrote:
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nation's wounds, since I have been here I have seen similar posts. Perhaps two or three. Naively, I expected not just some good and respectful debate but also an easing of the d******eness. The writer made such perfect common sense in his or her comments. Who could deny the basic decency in the request for greater unity? Then I read in growing depression and horror the responses from the Right. Yes, almost exclusively the Right. They were to the last against it. "No dang bridges in my neighborhood or time." "Liberals are the minions of Satan." "Dumbocrats are c****es looking to o*******w liberty for the One World Order." And so forth. Obviously people totally oblivious to the harm they are doing to keeping America great. America IS great: we do not have to change it.
Any laws or policies we have were passed by the democratic process, in which we are all still free to take part. We, as a nation, have made big mistakes before, serious and costly mistakes that often were the result of going against our Ideals, such as s***ery, Jim Crow Laws, our treatment of Native Americans, the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, and support of dictatorships that abused human rights in order for us to maintain an ally in that area. (All that is true: get a real history book.) But by our democratic process, both sides putting their special interests aside and working together for necessary change, we corrected those wrongs and our country grew stronger because of it.
Freedom is dangerous in and of itself, and the threats to freedom are many and diverse. In the past, as noted above, we succumbed to financial security with s***ery, h**e in Jim Crow Laws, greed and prejudice concerning Native Americans, fear in incarcerating fellow citizens without due process, and power in alliances with dictators. Yet, again, we overcame those errors because we are a Republic that cherishes the principles of liberty. But today we are facing the biggest challenge ever and our greatest enemy: ourselves. We need to break this ideological impasse and that means all of us must work hard and selflessly, overcoming our fears and prejudice, our need for safety and power, if such wonderful ideals are to survive another generation. To be truly free is not legislated by Congress and maintained by the courts but an individual act of will with a heart for those ideals.
What does it take? This is what I see.
Intellectual integrity demands an active resistance to confirmation bias and a determination to earnestly seek the t***h. I read and listen to Fox News, CNS, the Federalist, and other highly conservative, even alt-right, reporting everyday. I do not go a day without. I even started a thread recently written by the Federalist. I was taught to play the Devil's advocate with my most sacred beliefs, but especially those that are emotionally charged. Feel anger or h**e or fear: the need to step back, pause, and probe deeper has tripled. This by no way means that I or anyone else will come to the right conclusion or t***h every time or maybe even half the time (though I like to thinks so). It only means that loyalty to an ideology or distrust of the opposition is not nearly enough to keep America free and safe. Far too many here seem content to hivethink and lockstep. This nation is crumbling because of it. Stalwart d******eness, not a foreign enemy, will bring down this country. The petty and selfish efforts of patriotism by partisanship will be the eventual end of this “great experiment” of liberty. Say “E pluribus unum” now to a crowd and a r**t would break out. But that is this Republic's true motto: we have to start living it!
Having said all that, I find it doubtful I will get more than five comments, and five is hope talking.
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nati... (
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Dr.Dross wrote:
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nation's wounds, since I have been here I have seen similar posts. Perhaps two or three. Naively, I expected not just some good and respectful debate but also an easing of the d******eness. The writer made such perfect common sense in his or her comments. Who could deny the basic decency in the request for greater unity? Then I read in growing depression and horror the responses from the Right. Yes, almost exclusively the Right. They were to the last against it. "No dang bridges in my neighborhood or time." "Liberals are the minions of Satan." "Dumbocrats are c****es looking to o*******w liberty for the One World Order." And so forth. Obviously people totally oblivious to the harm they are doing to keeping America great. America IS great: we do not have to change it.
Any laws or policies we have were passed by the democratic process, in which we are all still free to take part. We, as a nation, have made big mistakes before, serious and costly mistakes that often were the result of going against our Ideals, such as s***ery, Jim Crow Laws, our treatment of Native Americans, the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, and support of dictatorships that abused human rights in order for us to maintain an ally in that area. (All that is true: get a real history book.) But by our democratic process, both sides putting their special interests aside and working together for necessary change, we corrected those wrongs and our country grew stronger because of it.
Freedom is dangerous in and of itself, and the threats to freedom are many and diverse. In the past, as noted above, we succumbed to financial security with s***ery, h**e in Jim Crow Laws, greed and prejudice concerning Native Americans, fear in incarcerating fellow citizens without due process, and power in alliances with dictators. Yet, again, we overcame those errors because we are a Republic that cherishes the principles of liberty. But today we are facing the biggest challenge ever and our greatest enemy: ourselves. We need to break this ideological impasse and that means all of us must work hard and selflessly, overcoming our fears and prejudice, our need for safety and power, if such wonderful ideals are to survive another generation. To be truly free is not legislated by Congress and maintained by the courts but an individual act of will with a heart for those ideals.
What does it take? This is what I see.
Intellectual integrity demands an active resistance to confirmation bias and a determination to earnestly seek the t***h. I read and listen to Fox News, CNS, the Federalist, and other highly conservative, even alt-right, reporting everyday. I do not go a day without. I even started a thread recently written by the Federalist. I was taught to play the Devil's advocate with my most sacred beliefs, but especially those that are emotionally charged. Feel anger or h**e or fear: the need to step back, pause, and probe deeper has tripled. This by no way means that I or anyone else will come to the right conclusion or t***h every time or maybe even half the time (though I like to thinks so). It only means that loyalty to an ideology or distrust of the opposition is not nearly enough to keep America free and safe. Far too many here seem content to hivethink and lockstep. This nation is crumbling because of it. Stalwart d******eness, not a foreign enemy, will bring down this country. The petty and selfish efforts of patriotism by partisanship will be the eventual end of this “great experiment” of liberty. Say “E pluribus unum” now to a crowd and a r**t would break out. But that is this Republic's true motto: we have to start living it!
Having said all that, I find it doubtful I will get more than five comments, and five is hope talking.
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well you just told every one you were a left winger and said all right wingers dummies.So i guess they think your closed minded and unapproachable so why bother.
I will say this again united we stand . Divide we fall. That is a proven
JFlorio wrote:
he's just another left wing troll Arch. I don't even bother reading what he has to say. They all lie. The last thing I want to do is find common ground with these lying assholes.
Yeah, Jim, these pricks have pushed, and pushed, and now want us to compromise. Screw em!!
The Republican party needs to govern like the dems don't exist now! Hit em from every direction like a shotgun blast, and keep em running! We won, and e******ns have consequences. Who said that?
Oh yeah!! It was Barack Obama!!
What goes around comes around!! Feck em!!
I agree Archie keep them on the run . but you know it's you and me paying for it
Dr.Dross wrote:
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nation's wounds, since I have been here I have seen similar posts. Perhaps two or three. Naively, I expected not just some good and respectful debate but also an easing of the d******eness. The writer made such perfect common sense in his or her comments. Who could deny the basic decency in the request for greater unity? Then I read in growing depression and horror the responses from the Right. Yes, almost exclusively the Right. They were to the last against it. "No dang bridges in my neighborhood or time." "Liberals are the minions of Satan." "Dumbocrats are c****es looking to o*******w liberty for the One World Order." And so forth. Obviously people totally oblivious to the harm they are doing to keeping America great. America IS great: we do not have to change it.
Any laws or policies we have were passed by the democratic process, in which we are all still free to take part. We, as a nation, have made big mistakes before, serious and costly mistakes that often were the result of going against our Ideals, such as s***ery, Jim Crow Laws, our treatment of Native Americans, the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, and support of dictatorships that abused human rights in order for us to maintain an ally in that area. (All that is true: get a real history book.) But by our democratic process, both sides putting their special interests aside and working together for necessary change, we corrected those wrongs and our country grew stronger because of it.
Freedom is dangerous in and of itself, and the threats to freedom are many and diverse. In the past, as noted above, we succumbed to financial security with s***ery, h**e in Jim Crow Laws, greed and prejudice concerning Native Americans, fear in incarcerating fellow citizens without due process, and power in alliances with dictators. Yet, again, we overcame those errors because we are a Republic that cherishes the principles of liberty. But today we are facing the biggest challenge ever and our greatest enemy: ourselves. We need to break this ideological impasse and that means all of us must work hard and selflessly, overcoming our fears and prejudice, our need for safety and power, if such wonderful ideals are to survive another generation. To be truly free is not legislated by Congress and maintained by the courts but an individual act of will with a heart for those ideals.
What does it take? This is what I see.
Intellectual integrity demands an active resistance to confirmation bias and a determination to earnestly seek the t***h. I read and listen to Fox News, CNS, the Federalist, and other highly conservative, even alt-right, reporting everyday. I do not go a day without. I even started a thread recently written by the Federalist. I was taught to play the Devil's advocate with my most sacred beliefs, but especially those that are emotionally charged. Feel anger or h**e or fear: the need to step back, pause, and probe deeper has tripled. This by no way means that I or anyone else will come to the right conclusion or t***h every time or maybe even half the time (though I like to thinks so). It only means that loyalty to an ideology or distrust of the opposition is not nearly enough to keep America free and safe. Far too many here seem content to hivethink and lockstep. This nation is crumbling because of it. Stalwart d******eness, not a foreign enemy, will bring down this country. The petty and selfish efforts of patriotism by partisanship will be the eventual end of this “great experiment” of liberty. Say “E pluribus unum” now to a crowd and a r**t would break out. But that is this Republic's true motto: we have to start living it!
Having said all that, I find it doubtful I will get more than five comments, and five is hope talking.
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Guess you got more than 5 comments. Hah! Great posts everyone!
Dr.Dross wrote:
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nation's wounds, since I have been here I have seen similar posts. Perhaps two or three. Naively, I expected not just some good and respectful debate but also an easing of the d******eness. The writer made such perfect common sense in his or her comments. Who could deny the basic decency in the request for greater unity? Then I read in growing depression and horror the responses from the Right. Yes, almost exclusively the Right. They were to the last against it. "No dang bridges in my neighborhood or time." "Liberals are the minions of Satan." "Dumbocrats are c****es looking to o*******w liberty for the One World Order." And so forth. Obviously people totally oblivious to the harm they are doing to keeping America great. America IS great: we do not have to change it.
Any laws or policies we have were passed by the democratic process, in which we are all still free to take part. We, as a nation, have made big mistakes before, serious and costly mistakes that often were the result of going against our Ideals, such as s***ery, Jim Crow Laws, our treatment of Native Americans, the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, and support of dictatorships that abused human rights in order for us to maintain an ally in that area. (All that is true: get a real history book.) But by our democratic process, both sides putting their special interests aside and working together for necessary change, we corrected those wrongs and our country grew stronger because of it.
Freedom is dangerous in and of itself, and the threats to freedom are many and diverse. In the past, as noted above, we succumbed to financial security with s***ery, h**e in Jim Crow Laws, greed and prejudice concerning Native Americans, fear in incarcerating fellow citizens without due process, and power in alliances with dictators. Yet, again, we overcame those errors because we are a Republic that cherishes the principles of liberty. But today we are facing the biggest challenge ever and our greatest enemy: ourselves. We need to break this ideological impasse and that means all of us must work hard and selflessly, overcoming our fears and prejudice, our need for safety and power, if such wonderful ideals are to survive another generation. To be truly free is not legislated by Congress and maintained by the courts but an individual act of will with a heart for those ideals.
What does it take? This is what I see.
Intellectual integrity demands an active resistance to confirmation bias and a determination to earnestly seek the t***h. I read and listen to Fox News, CNS, the Federalist, and other highly conservative, even alt-right, reporting everyday. I do not go a day without. I even started a thread recently written by the Federalist. I was taught to play the Devil's advocate with my most sacred beliefs, but especially those that are emotionally charged. Feel anger or h**e or fear: the need to step back, pause, and probe deeper has tripled. This by no way means that I or anyone else will come to the right conclusion or t***h every time or maybe even half the time (though I like to thinks so). It only means that loyalty to an ideology or distrust of the opposition is not nearly enough to keep America free and safe. Far too many here seem content to hivethink and lockstep. This nation is crumbling because of it. Stalwart d******eness, not a foreign enemy, will bring down this country. The petty and selfish efforts of patriotism by partisanship will be the eventual end of this “great experiment” of liberty. Say “E pluribus unum” now to a crowd and a r**t would break out. But that is this Republic's true motto: we have to start living it!
Having said all that, I find it doubtful I will get more than five comments, and five is hope talking.
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If you want to come together support the PEOTUS
Dr.Dross wrote:
As preface to this post on trying to heal our nation's wounds, since I have been here I have seen similar posts. Perhaps two or three. Naively, I expected not just some good and respectful debate but also an easing of the d******eness. The writer made such perfect common sense in his or her comments. Who could deny the basic decency in the request for greater unity? Then I read in growing depression and horror the responses from the Right. Yes, almost exclusively the Right. They were to the last against it. "No dang bridges in my neighborhood or time." "Liberals are the minions of Satan." "Dumbocrats are c****es looking to o*******w liberty for the One World Order." And so forth. Obviously people totally oblivious to the harm they are doing to keeping America great. America IS great: we do not have to change it.
Any laws or policies we have were passed by the democratic process, in which we are all still free to take part. We, as a nation, have made big mistakes before, serious and costly mistakes that often were the result of going against our Ideals, such as s***ery, Jim Crow Laws, our treatment of Native Americans, the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, and support of dictatorships that abused human rights in order for us to maintain an ally in that area. (All that is true: get a real history book.) But by our democratic process, both sides putting their special interests aside and working together for necessary change, we corrected those wrongs and our country grew stronger because of it.
Freedom is dangerous in and of itself, and the threats to freedom are many and diverse. In the past, as noted above, we succumbed to financial security with s***ery, h**e in Jim Crow Laws, greed and prejudice concerning Native Americans, fear in incarcerating fellow citizens without due process, and power in alliances with dictators. Yet, again, we overcame those errors because we are a Republic that cherishes the principles of liberty. But today we are facing the biggest challenge ever and our greatest enemy: ourselves. We need to break this ideological impasse and that means all of us must work hard and selflessly, overcoming our fears and prejudice, our need for safety and power, if such wonderful ideals are to survive another generation. To be truly free is not legislated by Congress and maintained by the courts but an individual act of will with a heart for those ideals.
What does it take? This is what I see.
Intellectual integrity demands an active resistance to confirmation bias and a determination to earnestly seek the t***h. I read and listen to Fox News, CNS, the Federalist, and other highly conservative, even alt-right, reporting everyday. I do not go a day without. I even started a thread recently written by the Federalist. I was taught to play the Devil's advocate with my most sacred beliefs, but especially those that are emotionally charged. Feel anger or h**e or fear: the need to step back, pause, and probe deeper has tripled. This by no way means that I or anyone else will come to the right conclusion or t***h every time or maybe even half the time (though I like to thinks so). It only means that loyalty to an ideology or distrust of the opposition is not nearly enough to keep America free and safe. Far too many here seem content to hivethink and lockstep. This nation is crumbling because of it. Stalwart d******eness, not a foreign enemy, will bring down this country. The petty and selfish efforts of patriotism by partisanship will be the eventual end of this “great experiment” of liberty. Say “E pluribus unum” now to a crowd and a r**t would break out. But that is this Republic's true motto: we have to start living it!
Having said all that, I find it doubtful I will get more than five comments, and five is hope talking.
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I do not suffer from white guilt, my skin color is an accident of birth and I'm no prouder of it than being brown-haired, and...I've been called every name in the book by the left this entire e******n cycle. I have no patience with those who wish to control the conversation through political correctness.
Globalism was the overarching concern to me in this e******n. Everything else is a distraction.
PS: I also have little patience with condescension, sophistry and academic snobbery.
Super Dave wrote:
If you want to come together support the PEOTUS
I'm pretty sure
that much coming together was not the intent. More like, "Can you please let
us have control of the conversation back?"
jimahrens wrote:
Seems your looking for approval not debate Want this country to come together find a way to give common sense to the left. Good Luck!
perfectly said....common sense to the left?
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