Mayor Bloomberg says he will spend millions more to defeat the National Rifle Association and pro-gun pols (Page 2): With this country as divided as it is, t***h loses all...

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JIMMY DELL wrote:

Well that is the problem. Each of us has our own "t***h". There is the t***h that some have that is driven by fairness and emotion. Then there is the t***h that others have that is driven by logic and experience. So as you say; who's to decide? One of these approaches should be self evident, but the other side will not listen to reason. Who's who?

With this country as divided as it is, t***h loses all subjectivity. What we need are facts, and let people find the t***h for themselves, not have it served up for them as opinion. If people are truly logical, then they will come to the right conclusion. All the rest will only come up with delusion.

JIMMY DELL

Well said, amen brother!

JIMMY DELL

"If people are truly logical," ah yes, therein lies the rub. If that were only possible 80% of the content of TV programming would wither and die. We have today the greatest communicating devices mankind has ever known and people and governments seem more aimless than they've ever been. Or perhaps because of these devices we now know that the this condition exists.

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JIMMY DELL wrote:

"If people are truly logical," ah yes, therein lies the rub. If that were only possible 80% of the content of TV programming would wither and die. We have today the greatest communicating devices mankind has ever known and people and governments seem more aimless than they've ever been. Or perhaps because of these devices we now know that the this condition exists.

And those are the people who I call sheep. The ones that can reason correctly I call wolves. The problem with sheep is that they often think they are wolves...that is until they are "eaten" by wolves.

As for me, I am a wolf...albeit a benevolent one. I wish to harm no one, and I do not seek gain for gain's sake. I only seek to wake people up to the reality of this world and shake them out of their delusions. The problem with delusions is that people cling to them.

JIMMY DELL

If I may borrow your wolf metaphor, I would say that the wolf sees things, as they really are, the sheep sees things as he wish them to be. If you look at most gov't programs you'll note that they were created by those that wish things to be a certain way. They are good intended programs, not well thought out, that totally disregard human behavior and self interest. Anyone of these programs that give to the deserving have within them instructions telling the potential recipients how to become deserving. As a result we gain more and more deserving recipients each year in hundreds of programs. How we got here from Mayor Bloomberg and gun control, I have no idea, other than all of this control over who we are is boiling just under the surface of all of our discontent.

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JIMMY DELL wrote:

If I may borrow your wolf metaphor, I would say th... (show quote)

Well said. I completely approve of your revision.

WhoIsJohnGalt

memBrain wrote:

I don't think it's so much about limiting free speech as it is about "t***h in advertising" per se. These news organizations purport to BE news organizations. Yet, the majority of what they produce is not news but opinion. And the percentage of news that they do report is so full of bias as to be little more than opinion pieces as well. What happened to unbiased reporting of the news? You know, just the facts sir/ma'am?

And we are to separate the wheat from the chaff by which law? Mind you, I am deeply suspicious of anything that would infringe on the First Amendment, this includes the part that protects religious practices.

memBrain wrote:

I'm tired pf hearing "The latest w*****r p***... (show quote)

Here I must agree with you that it is egregious to peddle such stuff as news or as being actual scientific theory when it is mostly just political horsehockey. Why don't get up an action committee to sue those stations that are trying to peddle Anthropogenic G****l W*****g for fraud?

memBrain wrote:

Sorry for the side rant. At any rate, I'm fine wi... (show quote)

Well, I think that MSNBC is really just a knee jerk reaction to Rush Limbaugh. Most of his stuff is strictly opinion and he sells it as such. Shall we sue MSNBC? How about NBC news? Or ABC news? Or CNN, the originator of "environmental awareness?"

william11446

The Mayor is either certifiably insane, or a meddling i***t. Most likely, both.

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WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:

And we are to separate the wheat from the chaff by which law? Mind you, I am deeply suspicious of anything that would infringe on the First Amendment, this includes the part that protects religious practices.

I agree. I'd much rather there be too much freedom than too little. What I want is a measure thrown in that punishes liars. Telling a lie under the auspices of "freedom of speech" is no more acceptable than it is to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. That's the level I see all the MSM companies...the journalistic equivalent of yelling "fire". We have t***h in advertising laws so that people can't make claims about products that are untrue. We should have a journalistic version for reporting news, AND proper disclaimer when something is an opinion piece. After that, if people can't see the t***h for themselves, so be it.

WhoIsJohnGalt

memBrain wrote:

I agree. I'd much rather there be too much freedo... (show quote)

So you want to intrude on the minds of the public, is that what you are saying? You do not really believe that the American people can sort out the wheat from the chaff for themselves.

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WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:

So you want to intrude on the minds of the public, is that what you are saying? You do not really believe that the American people can sort out the wheat from the chaff for themselves.

You go too far sir! In what way is that intruding on the minds of the public? You make this outrageous claim, it's up to you to support it!

As for the American people, I think they have done an adequate job of demonstrating just how blind they can be when it comes to making judgements. Obama got elected again after all. Furthermore, there are ever increasingly more people who want government handouts than don't. I think that people in general will prefer a tasty lie to an unpalatable t***h.

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Don't get me wrong, I speak of the majority, not the totality of the American people. However, as the Liberals are famous for saying "We are a democracy." Majority rule and whatnot. That we are in fact a representative republic matters little when dealing with people who are not reasonable.

WhoIsJohnGalt

memBrain wrote:

You go too far sir! In what way is that intruding... (show quote)

I am only going by what you have said. I did not draw a conclusion. You said this yourself. Read your own post.

As for President Obama, he only got re-elected because the GOP, egged on by the likes of Karl Rove et al nominated Mitt Romney, the guy who invented and implemented ObamaCare in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. The Republican rank and file stayed home in droves or v**ed for a third party candidate.

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WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:

I am only going by what you have said. I did not draw a conclusion. You said this yourself. Read your own post.

No, that was a fabrication on your part. I never said anything about controlling how people think. I only ever commented on having journalists and media groups be held accountable to the veracity of the news that they submit for viewing, and that it be expressly noted when something is opinion.

WhoIsJohnGalt wrote:

As for President Obama, he only got re-elected because the GOP, egged on by the likes of Karl Rove et al nominated Mitt Romney, the guy who invented and implemented ObamaCare in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. The Republican rank and file stayed home in droves or v**ed for a third party candidate.

This is partially true, but not the complete picture. I submit that it also was the GOP's departure from its core Conservative values that contributed to its downfall in recent e******ns. Se******n of candidates like Mitt Romney certainly bear witness to this. We don't need two liberal parties, and when people can't sufficiently tell the difference, they have no choice than to v**e for the side that is more consistent with their narrative, or like you said, stay home.

WhoIsJohnGalt

memBrain wrote:

No, that was a fabrication on your part. I never said anything about controlling how people think. I only ever commented on having journalists and media groups be held accountable to the veracity of the news that they submit for viewing, and that it be expressly noted when something is opinion.

And you are proposing to do this by force of law, right?

memBrain wrote:

This is partially true, but not the complete picture. I submit that it also was the GOP's departure from its core Conservative values that contributed to its downfall in recent e******ns. Se******n of candidates like Mitt Romney certainly bear witness to this. We don't need two liberal parties, and when people can't sufficiently tell the difference, they have no choice than to v**e for the side that is more consistent with their narrative, or like you said, stay home.

Politics is a game in which the most consistent side wins. The GOP has wobbled all over the map for decades. I am s**k of them.