Let's put this puppy to rest.
In every instance in the piece, the author assumes that the Bible presents God's/Jesus' words in meanings restricted to human understanding of the terms. It could equally reasonably be understood that His words were mere representations of Godly meanings stated in terms man could comprehend. After all,
King James Bible 2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It could as easily mean a billion years is as one day. The words were written for an ancient context. Perhaps God thinks we are advanced enough now to make the intellectual leap required.
JW wrote:
In every instance in the piece, the author assumes that the Bible presents God's/Jesus' words in meanings restricted to human understanding of the terms. It could equally reasonably be understood that His words were mere representations of Godly meanings stated in terms man could comprehend. After all,
King James Bible 2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
All that verse means is that God exists outside of time and space. He can see all of time, at a glance. He is everywhere and everywhen. And it's apparent that you did not pay attention. Jesus spoke the universe into existence. It happened instantaneously. And I repeat, The Greek word for day, used when Jesus confirmed a six day Creation, is the Greek word for a 24 hour day. Also, every other time the Hebrew word for day is used with a number, it means a 24 hour day. Context is important, wouldn't you agree? I just can't understand why someone would believe that God took a long time to create the universe. He is all powerful. He doesn't need to take His time. Why would he. As I stated in another thread, this controversy is nothing but an attempt to discredit the accuracy of Scripture, for the sole reason of giving a false legitimacy to the theory of evolution. I don't buy it.
Mr Bombastic wrote:
All that verse means is that God exists outside of time and space. He can see all of time, at a glance. He is everywhere and everywhen. And it's apparent that you did not pay attention. Jesus spoke the universe into existence. It happened instantaneously. And I repeat, The Greek word for day, used when Jesus confirmed a six day Creation, is the Greek word for a 24 hour day. Also, every other time the Hebrew word for day is used with a number, it means a 24 hour day. Context is important, wouldn't you agree? I just can't understand why someone would believe that God took a long time to create the universe. He is all powerful. He doesn't need to take His time. Why would he. As I stated in another thread, this controversy is nothing but an attempt to discredit the accuracy of Scripture, for the sole reason of giving a false legitimacy to the theory of evolution. I don't buy it.
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English is my second language but I have a passing familiarity with some others as well. When t***slating from one to another it is often necessary to change meanings in order to convey the proper sense. That becomes necessary because not all words can be directly t***slated.
For example, the German phrase, 'Was fehlt mir', would t***slate as 'what am I missing' or 'what don't I have', 'what fails me' or even 'what do I need'. All of those are legitimate t***slations but all mean different things depending on how you use them. Similar problems exist in all languages. Can you say that God's natural medium of communication doesn't have similar difficulties when t***slated to human languages? And even if not, when t***slating the Bible from Aramaic to Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English, can you know that no such concepts were maintained by making necessary linguistic manipulations?
If God's sense of time is radically different than man's, which it certainly must be considering His immortality, can you know that He didn't simply break creation into six specific acts, as Genesis does describe, and convey those to man as days, a concept man could understand?
I am neither a scholar or a scientist. I am a christian, I believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. We are all
of us bombarded with "facts" which challenge our reason on this subject. It is my faith that allows me to believe
What God says. I may not be able to "reason" the issue, I just believe and I have faith that all things will be clear someday.
firstly believing is key. Who are we to question, our minds being finite and miniscule, therefore incapable of fully
grasping the actions of God. If we blessed we get glimpses of God, but only if we are first GIVEN faith.
JW wrote:
English is my second language but I have a passing familiarity with some others as well. When t***slating from one to another it is often necessary to change meanings in order to convey the proper sense. That becomes necessary because not all words can be directly t***slated.
For example, the German phrase, 'Was fehlt mir', would t***slate as 'what am I missing' or 'what don't I have', 'what fails me' or even 'what do I need'. All of those are legitimate t***slations but all mean different things depending on how you use them. Similar problems exist in all languages. Can you say that God's natural medium of communication doesn't have similar difficulties when t***slated to human languages? And even if not, when t***slating the Bible from Aramaic to Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English, can you know that no such concepts were maintained by making necessary linguistic manipulations?
If God's sense of time is radically different than man's, which it certainly must be considering His immortality, can you know that He didn't simply break creation into six specific acts, as Genesis does describe, and convey those to man as days, a concept man could understand?
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Nothing but supposition. Jesus said that Creation happened in six days. That is what the earliest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament say. The word used describes a 24 hour period. Jesus spoke the universe into existence. This indicates that it was instantaneous. When Jesus performed miracles, he spoke and they happened. Same with Creation. And, once again, context is very important. Every other time the Hebrew word for day is used with a number, it means a 24 hour day. What makes you think that it doesn't, in the case of Genesis? Let me ask you a question. Do you have a problem with a literal interpretation of Genesis, with a six day Creation?
Let's not forget that King James back in the 1600 hundreds rewrote parts of the bible to please the catholic religion. He added and subtracted several parts. When you read the King James bible be careful of your interpolation. Also be careful of the t***slation to English from other languages.
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Nothing but supposition. Jesus said that Creation happened in six days. That is what the earliest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament say. The word used describes a 24 hour period. Jesus spoke the universe into existence. This indicates that it was instantaneous. When Jesus performed miracles, he spoke and they happened. Same with Creation. And, once again, context is very important. Every other time the Hebrew word for day is used with a number, it means a 24 hour day. What makes you think that it doesn't, in the case of Genesis? Let me ask you a question. Do you have a problem with a literal interpretation of Genesis, with a six day Creation?
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If the Holy Bible says it, I believe it, through faith.
out of the woods wrote:
I am neither a scholar or a scientist. I am a christian, I believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. We are all
of us bombarded with "facts" which challenge our reason on this subject. It is my faith that allows me to believe
What God says. I may not be able to "reason" the issue, I just believe and I have faith that all things will be clear someday.
firstly believing is key. Who are we to question, our minds being finite and miniscule, therefore incapable of fully
grasping the actions of God. If we blessed we get glimpses of God, but only if we are first GIVEN faith.
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Absolutely. I love resting in the peace knowing that HE is in control.
The g****l w*****g alarmists interpretation of earth history is one of billions of years, it explains the fear of rapid c*****e c****e. A ten thousand year old earth gives way to rapid c*****e c****e. It looks like Jesus was telling the t***h.
Interesting .. interpreting the bible and the rewritings and revisions have been cause for discussion for ever . In fact some still use the bible and other writings as excuses or justification for fighting among believers of this doctrine or that
doctrine . I prefer to worship and let the bible guide my understanding of the
world . I leave it for others to argue or compare meanings , my relationship is with GOD not man ,, good luck ..
Mr Bombastic wrote:
All that verse means is that God exists outside of time and space. He can see all of time, at a glance. He is everywhere and everywhen. And it's apparent that you did not pay attention. Jesus spoke the universe into existence. It happened instantaneously. And I repeat, The Greek word for day, used when Jesus confirmed a six day Creation, is the Greek word for a 24 hour day. Also, every other time the Hebrew word for day is used with a number, it means a 24 hour day. Context is important, wouldn't you agree? I just can't understand why someone would believe that God took a long time to create the universe. He is all powerful. He doesn't need to take His time. Why would he. As I stated in another thread, this controversy is nothing but an attempt to discredit the accuracy of Scripture, for the sole reason of giving a false legitimacy to the theory of evolution. I don't buy it.
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Excellent, well thought out, theologically sound reply, with applicable end summary.
God Bless
Thought provoking. Is science completely wrong? is carbon dating a huge deception? Can religion also give credence to science? I absolutely believe in God . I cannot at the same time refute Scientific knowledge I do not believe in evolution. I believe homonids existed then died out. Modern humans are the creation of God and came from the original pair.
mcmlx wrote:
If the Holy Bible says it, I believe it, through faith.
Have you ever heard the quote:
"God said it, Christ did it, I believe it, that settles it."
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