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Dec 12, 2013 00:10:54   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
alex wrote:
so far we don't have to people to eat them


Some where in that statement has to be the t***h I have been seeking. Please unlock the message in it.

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Dec 12, 2013 00:19:03   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
BoJester wrote:
No wonder the minimum wage needs to be increased. For everyone who visits Starbucks and McD's, how do you like paying a guy $9,000 bucks an hour? When the person who serves your meal is making less than $8.00 bucks?
Good old american capitalism and exceptionalism on display.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mcdonalds-starbucks-ceos-more-9-110100507.html

if you gotta problem with the american way, you can always leave. granted, anywhere else is most likely worse. i'm with ya on the perversion on capitalism but bear in mind, it is the only economic system that is conceived as pure idividuality over collectivism. any other system is perverted the very day it is conceived. and don't forget that these 'capitalist pigs' that you girlishly rant about were once waiters and workers in the beginning. grow up dude!!!

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Dec 12, 2013 00:50:23   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Some where in that statement has to be the t***h I have been seeking. Please unlock the message in it.


I left out the word pay it should have read ,so far we don't have to pay them to eat them

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Dec 12, 2013 04:17:42   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
The dunce that started this thread obviously doesn't know anything about running a business. Small businesses and franchises are going to lose big time if they are forced to pay higher wages, especially in this economic debacle. However, the real losers will be the employees who lose their jobs.

A business has a thing called "fixed expense overhead".

No matter what your sales volume is, fixed costs must be met every month. Fixed expenses include rent or mortgage payments, depreciation on fixed assets (such as cars and office equipment), salaries and associated payroll costs, liability and other insurance, utilities, membership dues and subscriptions (which can sometimes be affected by sales volume), and legal and accounting costs. These expenses don't change, regardless of whether a company's revenue goes up or down.

Put simply, a McDonald's franchise, for example--will have a certain number of employees to whom it will pay wages based on a fair amount (note: any government mandated wage is a definite negative) and business volume projections. The projections take into account sales volume (maybe over a quarter or season) and other variables such as change in vendor and/or vendor pricing, etc.

Bottom line is a business adjusts its operating expenses with the goal of maintaining a profit, even just to stay in operation--as is the case for many small businesses in this economic environment. If the business is forced to summarily increase wages that would push the profit into the red, the only way it can survive is to cut the workforce. So, raising the minimum wage will do nothing to "grow the economy". All it will accomplish is to put more people out of work.

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Dec 12, 2013 10:08:29   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The dunce that started this thread obviously doesn't know anything about running a business. Small businesses and franchises are going to lose big time if they are forced to pay higher wages, especially in this economic debacle. However, the real losers will be the employees who lose their jobs.

A business has a thing called "fixed expense overhead".

No matter what your sales volume is, fixed costs must be met every month. Fixed expenses include rent or mortgage payments, depreciation on fixed assets (such as cars and office equipment), salaries and associated payroll costs, liability and other insurance, utilities, membership dues and subscriptions (which can sometimes be affected by sales volume), and legal and accounting costs. These expenses don't change, regardless of whether a company's revenue goes up or down.

Put simply, a McDonald's franchise, for example--will have a certain number of employees to whom it will pay wages based on a fair amount (note: any government mandated wage is a definite negative) and business volume projections. The projections take into account sales volume (maybe over a quarter or season) and other variables such as change in vendor and/or vendor pricing, etc.

Bottom line is a business adjusts its operating expenses with the goal of maintaining a profit, even just to stay in operation--as is the case for many small businesses in this economic environment. If the business is forced to summarily increase wages that would push the profit into the red, the only way it can survive is to cut the workforce. So, raising the minimum wage will do nothing to "grow the economy". All it will accomplish is to put more people out of work.
The dunce that started this thread obviously doesn... (show quote)


Some random thoughts that I have about the issue.

One only needs to look at the bigger picture to see that products made need enough money in the hands of consumers to buy the product..

Money (Demand) needs to be enough to meet supply,
Not paying enough in wages means not enough money to buy the product (Supply)

It seems that the rights of each individuals businesses right to increase Supply while not having to pay wages enough to
put money to meet Demand. Only puts the burden on some one else to pay wages for demand(People)

What we have now is Supply increasing faster than Demand can meet it.

I fail to see how this problem will ever get better if (demand) people are to work for less & less.

That means there is not a fair balance between Supply & Demand.

Yes as supply increases for some one to make a profit they need to control costs.

The popular way to to that is to pay the lowest wages they can get away with. All the while putting more money in their pockets.

While doing that on an individual basis is stated as a right of the individual business.

When too many businesses do it & use the government to keep taxes low so as to keep profits high some thing has to give.

Just how much food (Supply) can any one fast food place serve in a day. Just how much (Demand) do they actually serve. Just how much over supply is there.

How smart is it to keep increasing supply when this is happening.

How much of all of this is because of not paying a fair price to the workers.

How much profit is there? How does having more low wage jobs any where really help the market place?

Why wouldn't paying a higher wage (A wage that at least keeps up with inflation) & taking a little less in profits up front not help the market place in the long run.

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Dec 12, 2013 13:40:24   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Some random thoughts that I have about the issue.

One only needs to look at the bigger picture to see that products made need enough money in the hands of consumers to buy the product..

Money (Demand) needs to be enough to meet supply,
Not paying enough in wages means not enough money to buy the product (Supply)

It seems that the rights of each individuals businesses right to increase Supply while not having to pay wages enough to
put money to meet Demand. Only puts the burden on some one else to pay wages for demand(People)

What we have now is Supply increasing faster than Demand can meet it.

I fail to see how this problem will ever get better if (demand) people are to work for less & less.

That means there is not a fair balance between Supply & Demand.

Yes as supply increases for some one to make a profit they need to control costs.

The popular way to to that is to pay the lowest wages they can get away with. All the while putting more money in their pockets.

While doing that on an individual basis is stated as a right of the individual business.

When too many businesses do it & use the government to keep taxes low so as to keep profits high some thing has to give.

Just how much food (Supply) can any one fast food place serve in a day. Just how much (Demand) do they actually serve. Just how much over supply is there.

How smart is it to keep increasing supply when this is happening.

How much of all of this is because of not paying a fair price to the workers.

How much profit is there? How does having more low wage jobs any where really help the market place?

Why wouldn't paying a higher wage (A wage that at least keeps up with inflation) & taking a little less in profits up front not help the market place in the long run.
Some random thoughts that I have about the issue. ... (show quote)


Have you given any thought to what the man making $15 per hour today will say when someone below him is brought up from $7.50 to $15? Is there any chance that he won't like seeing those who have a new doubling should be even with him? I see some real troubles with this amount.

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Dec 12, 2013 18:02:14   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
oldroy wrote:
Have you given any thought to what the man making $15 per hour today will say when someone below him is brought up from $7.50 to $15? Is there any chance that he won't like seeing those who have a new doubling should be even with him? I see some real troubles with this amount.


Just what do you chose to do with all of those as you might put it are dead beats.

I think if you wish to pay people for what they add to the system. How to feel about what Wall Street & Big Bankers add for the money they take from you?

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Dec 12, 2013 18:25:26   #
vernon
 
BoJester wrote:
No wonder the minimum wage needs to be increased. For everyone who visits Starbucks and McD's, how do you like paying a guy $9,000 bucks an hour? When the person who serves your meal is making less than $8.00 bucks?
Good old american capitalism and exceptionalism on display.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mcdonalds-starbucks-ceos-more-9-110100507.html


now now the man that owns starbucks is a tried and true radical demorat dont be to rough on him.

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Dec 12, 2013 18:52:18   #
BoJester
 
Being a democrat does not justify the ratio of a CEO making more than a 1000 times what an average employee makes









vernon wrote:
now now the man that owns starbucks is a tried and true radical demorat dont be to rough on him.

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Dec 12, 2013 19:23:34   #
vernon
 
BoJester wrote:
Being a democrat does not justify the ratio of a CEO making more than a 1000 times what an average employee makes


he started the co and invested his money so now he should just give it to some employee that dosent have the since to get a good thing going for himself

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Dec 12, 2013 19:40:35   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
BoJester wrote:
Being a democrat does not justify the ratio of a CEO making more than a 1000 times what an average employee makes
A CEO heading a corporation worth $51 billion and that employs 151,000 people in 20,891 stores worldwide deserves to make a 1000 times more than a college kid serving a latte in one store.

* Starbucks has added an average of two stores on a daily basis since 1987.

* Starbucks had 137,000 employees or "partners" as they call them in 2010. This is twice the population of Greenland.

* At $300 million, Starbucks spends more on healthcare insurance for its employees than on coffee beans.

Or how about McDonald's?

Quote:
McDonald's restaurants are found in 118 countries and territories around the world and serve 68 million customers each day. McDonald's operates over 34,000 restaurants worldwide, employing more than 1.7 million people.

* McDonald's hires around 1 million workers in the US every year

* McDonald's' daily customer traffic (62 million) is more than the population of Great Britain

* McDonald's sells more than 75 hamburgers every second.

* McDonald's feeds 68 million people per day, that's about 1 percent of the world's population

* McDonald's has 761,000 employees worldwide, that's more than the population of Luxembourg

* According to company estimates, one in every eight American workers has been employed by McDonald's

* McDonald's is the world's largest distributor of toys, with one included in 20% of all sales

*Sharon Stone worked at McDonald's before she was famous. So did Shania Twain, Jay Leno, Rachel McAdams and Pink

* The $8.7 billion in revenue from franchise stores alone, makes McDonald's richer than Mongolia.
McDonald's restaurants are found in 118 countries ... (show quote)


The accumulation of wealth is not a Zero Sum game.

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