JFlorio wrote:
You would be wrong according to me, a conservative and my conservative politically active friends. I'm v****g for Trump and so are they because we feel Hillary is unfit to be president period. She has committed criminal acts according to the statute that defines and governs classified material.
As far as I know, that has not actually been proven. If it has and I'm just missing it, I would really appreciate it if you could point specifically to the law she supposedly broke and the evidence that she did. And please don't just throw a link from a conspiracy site. There's a difference between actual laws and actual evidence and actual findings and the blabbering on Hillary-h**e sites.
JFlorio wrote:
She has been a liar (as e-mails show) and pretty much unethical her entire life.
See, this is what I mean... I can detect the emotion in your statement by the use of exaggerated words like "her *entire* life. You don't know about her *entire* life. You only know about her public life. As for her e-mails, how exactly do they prove she's a liar?
JFlorio wrote:
We don't like Trump. We believe he is unqualified by the ridiculous statements he has made. We believe Hillary is unqualified by the deeds she has committed.
What about the deeds Trump has committed? Just because he wasn't in government doesn't mean he wasn't lying and c***ting as the numerous lawsuits against him have suggested. Many of these lawsuits were settled out of court, which someone as brazen as Trump wouldn't do if he wasn't guilty. Something else that Trump supporters do is dismiss his "marginal" deeds.., where he didn't actually break any laws, such as his repeated use of eminent domain to force people to sell their property to him. At the same time they are sure to count Hillary's "marginal" deeds as definite crimes.
The difference between their deeds is that Clinton's actions as an agent of the federal government has a much wider scope with international implications than Trumps actions which rarely affected anyone outside of his much smaller business circles, but that would change if he were ever to become president.
JFlorio wrote:
We know Hillary will ruin the Supreme Court if you are a Constitutionalist.
I have found that many people who claim to be "Constitutionalists" don't even understand the U.S.Constitution. But you're welcome to explain to me how she will ruin the Supreme Court with respect to that legal document.
JFlorio wrote:
Like most liberals you always use the r****t, anti-feminist or bigot card when you cannot comprehend why someone doesn't see things your way.
I can't speak for "most liberals" but when I use the "bigot" card, it's either in response to a very clear demonstration of bigotry (which does actually happen) or I make it clear that I am "suggesting" bigotry as a likely reason while offering a very clear explanation as to why I make the suggestion. This is what I did in the post you are responding to. In this case, you're basically correct... Only it's more that I can't comprehend why people *do* see things *their* way. So I ask for explanations and I find myself having these discussions with people who are clearly upset but can't seem to provide any reasons that I haven't already found to be false or exaggerated. It would be different if they were acting confused, but they are very adamant and very resolute. And when I explain how their reasons don't hold up they get very upset with me that I don't just accept their stated reasons.
Now bigotry in all it's forms, whether r****t, or sexist, or wh**ever is one of those human traits that we all have to some degree. Myself included. So we are all familiar with it and we all know it's one of those things we never like to admit to. And it's the things we don't want to admit to that when they get out of control often does create emotional outrage that we can't really explain. I think sometimes it happens without the offender even realizing it until perhaps its too late, if ever. Wh**ever the case, it becomes even more imperative at that point that they find something to blame it on.
So this is the reason why I make the suggestion. In light of the emotional outrage that can't be explained logically, bigotry becomes a very likely cause. I'm not saying this is always the case and I will also suggest that simple misguidance could also be a large part of it. People sometimes just believe what they are told. I only point out the sexist issue because historically, sex *IS* the most significant differential between Hillary and all her predecessors.
JFlorio wrote:
You're a smart guy. Why do liberals always point at the opponent and say will they did it too.
You mean like Trump did during the last debate when he defended his less-than-noble tax practices by saying George Soros did it too? (Sorry, had to point that one out) Again, I can't speak for liberals in general, we aren't the lock-step machine some of you think we are. But the reason why I pointed out that other politicians have done the same things Clinton has done is to highlight the difference in the way people react to her compared to others, such as Colin Powell who had his own personal e-mail server when he was Secretary of State. It was critical to explaining the logic behind my suggestion.
JFlorio wrote:
Growing up that excuse always got me an ass whipping.
Me too. I would always get the rhetorical question from my mom... "If Bobby jumped off a cliff would you do it too?" But, as I hope you can see, in this case I'm not making an excuse for myself. Pointing out the similarities between Clinton and her predecessors, as I've explained, is part of a logical process for understanding the disproportionate agitation of others.
JFlorio wrote:
I would v**e for Condoleezza Rice in a heartbeat. What kind of phoebe does that make me?
Don't take offense, 'cause I don't really know you, but I don't know if you really would. It's easy to say that when you know it would never actually happen. As for me, remembering her role in what I feel was the most abominable administration at least since Wilson. She would have to be running against someone like Trump to get my v**e.