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Nov 30, 2013 10:07:53   #
BoJester
 
21 reasons that single payer could be better than the ACA,
maybe that is what will happen during the next presidents term


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/21-ways-canadas-single-payer-system-beats-obamacare?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

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Nov 30, 2013 10:52:59   #
vernon
 
BoJester wrote:
21 reasons that single payer could be better than the ACA,
maybe that is what will happen during the next presidents term


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/21-ways-canadas-single-payer-system-beats-obamacare?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark



single payer is the end of our life as we know it .how can anyone put their healthcare in the hands of incompetent govt.

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Nov 30, 2013 11:43:06   #
MarvinSussman
 
vernon wrote:
single payer is the end of our life as we know it .how can anyone put their healthcare in the hands of incompetent govt.


Because government healthcare is the only one that works:

Rand survey of the VA hospitals:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.longman.html

World Health Organization survey of the French system:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/dont-
americans-deserve-a_b_296040.html

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Nov 30, 2013 22:34:39   #
jb
 
BoJester wrote:
21 reasons that single payer could be better than the ACA,
maybe that is what will happen during the next presidents term


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/21-ways-canadas-single-payer-system-beats-obamacare?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark


Wouldn't that be great! But after countless hours in futile discussions with others and seeing the spin in the media in general, I am now convinced this won't happen - at least in the immediate future. Too much big money at stake.

If, as a society, we eventually come to a consensus that it is up to the whole group to put a system in place that assures everyone medical help whenever they need it, then we may re-invent the health care system.

But why stop there? Let's go all the way and make decisions about what constitutes necessities and wants. Then we can design a society that assures that everyone has a chance at survival.

After all, the one we're in right now leaves lots to be desired.

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Dec 1, 2013 09:09:33   #
rickdri
 
BoJester wrote:
21 reasons that single payer could be better than the ACA,
maybe that is what will happen during the next presidents term


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/21-ways-canadas-single-payer-system-beats-obamacare?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark


This is all fine and I'm happy that care has gotten better. However tell me how someone will get care when there are fewer doctors? Everyday there are more stories about doctors being dropped or volunteering to leave the ADA. If we go to a single payer it will be even more difficult to find a doctor and it will push us even closer to a currency crisis due to all of the debt we will accumulate.

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Dec 1, 2013 09:29:04   #
vernon
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Because government healthcare is the only one that works:

Rand survey of the VA hospitals:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.longman.html

World Health Organization survey of the French system:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/dont-
americans-deserve-a_b_296040.html


thats just crap and dont a c*******t rag to support your position.your a stupid dumass

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Dec 1, 2013 11:04:25   #
MarvinSussman
 
rickdri wrote:
This is all fine and I'm happy that care has gotten better. However tell me how someone will get care when there are fewer doctors? Everyday there are more stories about doctors being dropped or volunteering to leave the ADA. If we go to a single payer it will be even more difficult to find a doctor and it will push us even closer to a currency crisis due to all of the debt we will accumulate.


Students in France are PAID to study for their doctor degrees. That's why they get better health outcomes at half the cost.

Because government healthcare is the only one that works:
Rand survey of the VA hospitals:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.longman.html

World Health Organization survey of the French system:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/dont-
americans-deserve-a_b_296040.html

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Dec 1, 2013 12:22:48   #
jb
 
Maybe, if we agree that there are many folks uninsured or under-insured, we need to rethink the dearth of doctors. Or continue to use the shortage of doctors as a reason to allow the present system that provides profits for companies by limiting payments out as much as possible.

Interesting concept the French are using. I believe we could learn a lot by looking around at other systems in play. I wonder why that doesn't happen?

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Dec 1, 2013 12:38:37   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
jb wrote:
Maybe, if we agree that there are many folks uninsured or under-insured, we need to rethink the dearth of doctors. Or continue to use the shortage of doctors as a reason to allow the present system that provides profits for companies by limiting payments out as much as possible.

Interesting concept the French are using. I believe we could learn a lot by looking around at other systems in play. I wonder why that doesn't happen?


Fear not if more doctors are needed there will be more doctors.

Insurance that doctors pay is a big reason for doctors wanting to get out. Solve that problem & there is money for more doctors.

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Dec 1, 2013 12:46:34   #
rickdri
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Students in France are PAID to study for their doctor degrees. That's why they get better health outcomes at half the cost.

Because government healthcare is the only one that works:
Rand survey of the VA hospitals:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.longman.html

World Health Organization survey of the French system:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/dont-
americans-deserve-a_b_296040.html
Students in France are PAID to study for their doc... (show quote)


Good for France but if you will look a little harder you will see how much trouble they and the rest of Europe are in financially. They are having to cut back on some of their healthcare services due to lack of funds. They exceed their healthcare budgets by billions of euros every year. They have maybe 5 years or less left if dramatic changes are not made. People now have to settle for generic drugs instead of name brand. The French people think that generics aren't good enough. If a pharmacy doesn't substitute a generic for a name brand they are shut down until they comply with the law. Taxi rides to the hospitals are being cut back. This is just the beginning for them. More cuts will have to be made if their system is to survive.
You want The U.S. which already has a known debt of $17 trillion and an unfunded liability of well over $100 trillion to assume even more debt that we can not afford. Government programs are ripe with abuse and scandal. Every program ends up costing much more than originally estimated. If we continue with all of this reckless spending, it will not be long before we suffer a currency crisis. Don't be fooled into thinking it can't happen here. The laws of economics does not stop at our boarders.

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Dec 1, 2013 16:07:56   #
MarvinSussman
 
rickdri wrote:
Good for France but if you will look a little harder you will see how much trouble they and the rest of Europe are in financially. They are having to cut back on some of their healthcare services due to lack of funds. They exceed their healthcare budgets by billions of euros every year. They have maybe 5 years or less left if dramatic changes are not made. People now have to settle for generic drugs instead of name brand. The French people think that generics aren't good enough. If a pharmacy doesn't substitute a generic for a name brand they are shut down until they comply with the law. Taxi rides to the hospitals are being cut back. This is just the beginning for them. More cuts will have to be made if their system is to survive.
You want The U.S. which already has a known debt of $17 trillion and an unfunded liability of well over $100 trillion to assume even more debt that we can not afford. Government programs are ripe with abuse and scandal. Every program ends up costing much more than originally estimated. If we continue with all of this reckless spending, it will not be long before we suffer a currency crisis. Don't be fooled into thinking it can't happen here. The laws of economics does not stop at our boarders.
Good for France but if you will look a little hard... (show quote)


France and the other nations of Europe don't have their own fiat currency as we do. France is more like Illinois with Frau Merkel like the chair of the Fed. We can afford to have free and subsidized universal education because:

Q1: Is our so-called “national debt” really a serious debt, an interest-bearing burden that we must repay?
A1: No, It lacks the two essential qualities of a serious debt. It’s a “Debt In Name Only”, a “DINO” -

1. A really serious debt is a burden. Our DINO is not now and never will be a burden for taxpayers.

Our DINO is the total value of all issued and still maturing treasuries. Who pays for the redemption of mature treasuries? Not the taxpayers! The buyers of newly-issued treasuries pay for the redemption of mature treasuries. In every auction, more bonds are demanded than are available from new issues. Auction winners get the safest, most liquid US dollar instruments; the losers are stuck with bank risk. If necessary, the Fed could even create a demand for bonds by buying large quantities in the open market with a few cost-free keystrokes. Where’s the taxpayers’ burden?

Our Treasury does not borrow money like a home-buyer undertaking a mortgage. It is a custodian of funds, like a bank accepting money offered for certificates of deposit. While a bank with too many bad loans can certainly have too many maturing CDs, our non-lending, fiat Treasury cannot have too many maturing bonds unless its deficit spending is causing harmful inflation. And that happens ONLY in a war or emergency requiring rationing. It NEVER happens during a recession. During prosperity, banks are ALWAYS the SOLE cause of inflation, creating over $6 of credit for every $1 of deficit spending. To curb inflation, regulate the banks before restricting infrastructure spending!

By calling our DINO “unsustainable”, a h**x meant to privatize Social Security and Medicare, Wall Street con artists seeking a fortune in commissions have panicked the ignorant public, journalists, and politicians in Congress and in the White House. And, by bribing Congress into austerity, the Wall Street charlatans are nursing a huge army of unemployed labor to suppress the wages and working conditions of the middle class. As our rotting infrastructure renders our industry incompetent, it is that growing army of unemployed labor that will become “unsustainable”.

2. A really serious debt must be repaid. Our DINO will never be repaid and should never be repaid.

Only a budget surplus can reduce our DINO. Since dropping the gold standard in1971, we have rarely had even a modest budget surplus. None is now in sight. To supply enough treasuries, the ONLY risk-free instruments used for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., our Dino must continue to grow along with our economy. In fact, deflation and then depression will hit us hard unless big budget deficits replace the cash now flowing into China.

Q2: Could savers make a “run” on Treasury bonds?
A2: Yes, when savers can get risk-free returns from the Wall Street casino or from GM bonds, Illinois bonds, or Detroit bonds. Safety is not everything. Safety is the ONLY thing! That’s why the whole world relies on US bonds.

Q3. Could savers stop buying Treasury bonds?
A3. Sure, when nobody needs risk-free interest for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., etc.

Q4: Could savers prefer foreign sovereign bonds?
A4: Yes, indeed! So far, almost two thirds of the world’s reserve currencies are in US dollars and half of all US Treasury bonds are held by foreigners. But if China’s infrastructure and productivity become better than ours, its sovereign bonds could become safer than ours. But that could happen only if US v**ers worry more about our DINO than they worry about our falling bridges, failing schools, leaking sewers, aging power grids, etc., etc.

Q5: Won’t we need higher tax rates to pay for infrastructure?
A5: Congress does not use our taxes for spending. The IRS destroys every cent of its receipts. (Cash payments are shredded and sold). For spending, Congress creates new money out of thin air, deposits it in the Treasury, and writes checks. The Treasury then auction bonds to finance the deficit, which is limited only by Congress and NEVER by tax revenue. The only rational reason to restrict spending is the threat of harmful inflation. Until that point, Congress can spend freely on our DINO’s debt interest expense and on much-needed infrastructure for the future.

Every spent federal dollar not repossessed by the IRS is saved by the private sector. Our annual budget deficit is exactly equal to the annual increase in private sector savings. YES! DEFICITS = SAVINGS! No deficits, no savings! A tax deficit is a savings surplus. It is money left on the table for the savers by Uncle Sam because he didn’t need it to prevent harmful inflation and because consumers need it to consume. We do not have a “national debt”. We have a “national savings”. The bad “Debt Clock” is really the good “Savings Clock”. How can we have too much savings?

Since bank loans must be repaid with interest and hard cash is moving to China, a tax deficit / savings surplus is the ONLY savings source that can sustain our economy. We need to DOUBLE our DINO / total savings to return it to the World War II level that was followed by 35 years of prosperity without harmful inflation, even with very high tax rates. Our (DINO + total bank deposits) / GDP ratio is less than half of the comparable figure for China. Our M2 (money supply) / GDP ratio is half of Switzerland’s ratio and one quarter of Hong Kong’s ratio. Too much savings?

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Dec 1, 2013 16:29:44   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
France and the other nations of Europe don't have their own fiat currency as we do. France is more like Illinois with Frau Merkel like the chair of the Fed. We can afford to have free and subsidized universal education because:

Q1: Is our so-called “national debt” really a serious debt, an interest-bearing burden that we must repay?
A1: No, It lacks the two essential qualities of a serious debt. It’s a “Debt In Name Only”, a “DINO” -

1. A really serious debt is a burden. Our DINO is not now and never will be a burden for taxpayers.

Our DINO is the total value of all issued and still maturing treasuries. Who pays for the redemption of mature treasuries? Not the taxpayers! The buyers of newly-issued treasuries pay for the redemption of mature treasuries. In every auction, more bonds are demanded than are available from new issues. Auction winners get the safest, most liquid US dollar instruments; the losers are stuck with bank risk. If necessary, the Fed could even create a demand for bonds by buying large quantities in the open market with a few cost-free keystrokes. Where’s the taxpayers’ burden?

Our Treasury does not borrow money like a home-buyer undertaking a mortgage. It is a custodian of funds, like a bank accepting money offered for certificates of deposit. While a bank with too many bad loans can certainly have too many maturing CDs, our non-lending, fiat Treasury cannot have too many maturing bonds unless its deficit spending is causing harmful inflation. And that happens ONLY in a war or emergency requiring rationing. It NEVER happens during a recession. During prosperity, banks are ALWAYS the SOLE cause of inflation, creating over $6 of credit for every $1 of deficit spending. To curb inflation, regulate the banks before restricting infrastructure spending!

By calling our DINO “unsustainable”, a h**x meant to privatize Social Security and Medicare, Wall Street con artists seeking a fortune in commissions have panicked the ignorant public, journalists, and politicians in Congress and in the White House. And, by bribing Congress into austerity, the Wall Street charlatans are nursing a huge army of unemployed labor to suppress the wages and working conditions of the middle class. As our rotting infrastructure renders our industry incompetent, it is that growing army of unemployed labor that will become “unsustainable”.

2. A really serious debt must be repaid. Our DINO will never be repaid and should never be repaid.

Only a budget surplus can reduce our DINO. Since dropping the gold standard in1971, we have rarely had even a modest budget surplus. None is now in sight. To supply enough treasuries, the ONLY risk-free instruments used for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., our Dino must continue to grow along with our economy. In fact, deflation and then depression will hit us hard unless big budget deficits replace the cash now flowing into China.

Q2: Could savers make a “run” on Treasury bonds?
A2: Yes, when savers can get risk-free returns from the Wall Street casino or from GM bonds, Illinois bonds, or Detroit bonds. Safety is not everything. Safety is the ONLY thing! That’s why the whole world relies on US bonds.

Q3. Could savers stop buying Treasury bonds?
A3. Sure, when nobody needs risk-free interest for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., etc.

Q4: Could savers prefer foreign sovereign bonds?
A4: Yes, indeed! So far, almost two thirds of the world’s reserve currencies are in US dollars and half of all US Treasury bonds are held by foreigners. But if China’s infrastructure and productivity become better than ours, its sovereign bonds could become safer than ours. But that could happen only if US v**ers worry more about our DINO than they worry about our falling bridges, failing schools, leaking sewers, aging power grids, etc., etc.

Q5: Won’t we need higher tax rates to pay for infrastructure?
A5: Congress does not use our taxes for spending. The IRS destroys every cent of its receipts. (Cash payments are shredded and sold). For spending, Congress creates new money out of thin air, deposits it in the Treasury, and writes checks. The Treasury then auction bonds to finance the deficit, which is limited only by Congress and NEVER by tax revenue. The only rational reason to restrict spending is the threat of harmful inflation. Until that point, Congress can spend freely on our DINO’s debt interest expense and on much-needed infrastructure for the future.

Every spent federal dollar not repossessed by the IRS is saved by the private sector. Our annual budget deficit is exactly equal to the annual increase in private sector savings. YES! DEFICITS = SAVINGS! No deficits, no savings! A tax deficit is a savings surplus. It is money left on the table for the savers by Uncle Sam because he didn’t need it to prevent harmful inflation and because consumers need it to consume. We do not have a “national debt”. We have a “national savings”. The bad “Debt Clock” is really the good “Savings Clock”. How can we have too much savings?

Since bank loans must be repaid with interest and hard cash is moving to China, a tax deficit / savings surplus is the ONLY savings source that can sustain our economy. We need to DOUBLE our DINO / total savings to return it to the World War II level that was followed by 35 years of prosperity without harmful inflation, even with very high tax rates. Our (DINO + total bank deposits) / GDP ratio is less than half of the comparable figure for China. Our M2 (money supply) / GDP ratio is half of Switzerland’s ratio and one quarter of Hong Kong’s ratio. Too much savings?
France and the other nations of Europe don't have ... (show quote)


An interesting read. Thank you.

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Dec 1, 2013 16:57:50   #
rickdri
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
France and the other nations of Europe don't have their own fiat currency as we do. France is more like Illinois with Frau Merkel like the chair of the Fed. We can afford to have free and subsidized universal education because:

Q1: Is our so-called “national debt” really a serious debt, an interest-bearing burden that we must repay?
A1: No, It lacks the two essential qualities of a serious debt. It’s a “Debt In Name Only”, a “DINO” -

1. A really serious debt is a burden. Our DINO is not now and never will be a burden for taxpayers.

Our DINO is the total value of all issued and still maturing treasuries. Who pays for the redemption of mature treasuries? Not the taxpayers! The buyers of newly-issued treasuries pay for the redemption of mature treasuries. In every auction, more bonds are demanded than are available from new issues. Auction winners get the safest, most liquid US dollar instruments; the losers are stuck with bank risk. If necessary, the Fed could even create a demand for bonds by buying large quantities in the open market with a few cost-free keystrokes. Where’s the taxpayers’ burden?

Our Treasury does not borrow money like a home-buyer undertaking a mortgage. It is a custodian of funds, like a bank accepting money offered for certificates of deposit. While a bank with too many bad loans can certainly have too many maturing CDs, our non-lending, fiat Treasury cannot have too many maturing bonds unless its deficit spending is causing harmful inflation. And that happens ONLY in a war or emergency requiring rationing. It NEVER happens during a recession. During prosperity, banks are ALWAYS the SOLE cause of inflation, creating over $6 of credit for every $1 of deficit spending. To curb inflation, regulate the banks before restricting infrastructure spending!

By calling our DINO “unsustainable”, a h**x meant to privatize Social Security and Medicare, Wall Street con artists seeking a fortune in commissions have panicked the ignorant public, journalists, and politicians in Congress and in the White House. And, by bribing Congress into austerity, the Wall Street charlatans are nursing a huge army of unemployed labor to suppress the wages and working conditions of the middle class. As our rotting infrastructure renders our industry incompetent, it is that growing army of unemployed labor that will become “unsustainable”.

2. A really serious debt must be repaid. Our DINO will never be repaid and should never be repaid.

Only a budget surplus can reduce our DINO. Since dropping the gold standard in1971, we have rarely had even a modest budget surplus. None is now in sight. To supply enough treasuries, the ONLY risk-free instruments used for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., our Dino must continue to grow along with our economy. In fact, deflation and then depression will hit us hard unless big budget deficits replace the cash now flowing into China.

Q2: Could savers make a “run” on Treasury bonds?
A2: Yes, when savers can get risk-free returns from the Wall Street casino or from GM bonds, Illinois bonds, or Detroit bonds. Safety is not everything. Safety is the ONLY thing! That’s why the whole world relies on US bonds.

Q3. Could savers stop buying Treasury bonds?
A3. Sure, when nobody needs risk-free interest for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., etc.

Q4: Could savers prefer foreign sovereign bonds?
A4: Yes, indeed! So far, almost two thirds of the world’s reserve currencies are in US dollars and half of all US Treasury bonds are held by foreigners. But if China’s infrastructure and productivity become better than ours, its sovereign bonds could become safer than ours. But that could happen only if US v**ers worry more about our DINO than they worry about our falling bridges, failing schools, leaking sewers, aging power grids, etc., etc.

Q5: Won’t we need higher tax rates to pay for infrastructure?
A5: Congress does not use our taxes for spending. The IRS destroys every cent of its receipts. (Cash payments are shredded and sold). For spending, Congress creates new money out of thin air, deposits it in the Treasury, and writes checks. The Treasury then auction bonds to finance the deficit, which is limited only by Congress and NEVER by tax revenue. The only rational reason to restrict spending is the threat of harmful inflation. Until that point, Congress can spend freely on our DINO’s debt interest expense and on much-needed infrastructure for the future.

Every spent federal dollar not repossessed by the IRS is saved by the private sector. Our annual budget deficit is exactly equal to the annual increase in private sector savings. YES! DEFICITS = SAVINGS! No deficits, no savings! A tax deficit is a savings surplus. It is money left on the table for the savers by Uncle Sam because he didn’t need it to prevent harmful inflation and because consumers need it to consume. We do not have a “national debt”. We have a “national savings”. The bad “Debt Clock” is really the good “Savings Clock”. How can we have too much savings?

Since bank loans must be repaid with interest and hard cash is moving to China, a tax deficit / savings surplus is the ONLY savings source that can sustain our economy. We need to DOUBLE our DINO / total savings to return it to the World War II level that was followed by 35 years of prosperity without harmful inflation, even with very high tax rates. Our (DINO + total bank deposits) / GDP ratio is less than half of the comparable figure for China. Our M2 (money supply) / GDP ratio is half of Switzerland’s ratio and one quarter of Hong Kong’s ratio. Too much savings?
France and the other nations of Europe don't have ... (show quote)


All you have done is describe a Ponzi scheme. Borrowing more to pay back the original loan. There have been many empires over the centuries. There problems started with fiat money. China has already stated they will stop buying our treasury bonds. If and when other countries decide to stop, will our federal reserve be able to prevent a failed auction? Probably not. The Euro is already in deep trouble and may not survive much longer. If we continue to take on debt at our current rate we will not be far behind.
Countries are already trading goods and services without the dollar. Countries are talking about doing away with dollar as the world currency and replacing it with a basket of currencies. Countries are talking about doing away with the petro dollar too. Both are due to our reckless money printing, borrowing, and spending. If /when the dollar's dominance falters, you will being to see a currency crisis. This happened to England in the 1970's. It was not a good time for England. It will not be a good time here. You can go ahead and believe as you want. But to think a currency crisis could not happen here is very naïve. To think economic realities stop at our boarders is naïve.
While it could be some time before this happens, possibly a decade or more, the possibility is there. China is well on it's way to replacing us as the worlds largest economy. They are also well on their way to replacing us as the worlds reserve currency.

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Dec 1, 2013 22:25:22   #
MarvinSussman
 
rickdri wrote:
All you have done is describe a Ponzi scheme. Borrowing more to pay back the original loan. There have been many empires over the centuries. There problems started with fiat money. China has already stated they will stop buying our treasury bonds. If and when other countries decide to stop, will our federal reserve be able to prevent a failed auction? Probably not. The Euro is already in deep trouble and may not survive much longer. If we continue to take on debt at our current rate we will not be far behind.
Countries are already trading goods and services without the dollar. Countries are talking about doing away with dollar as the world currency and replacing it with a basket of currencies. Countries are talking about doing away with the petro dollar too. Both are due to our reckless money printing, borrowing, and spending. If /when the dollar's dominance falters, you will being to see a currency crisis. This happened to England in the 1970's. It was not a good time for England. It will not be a good time here. You can go ahead and believe as you want. But to think a currency crisis could not happen here is very naïve. To think economic realities stop at our boarders is naïve.
While it could be some time before this happens, possibly a decade or more, the possibility is there. China is well on it's way to replacing us as the worlds largest economy. They are also well on their way to replacing us as the worlds reserve currency.
All you have done is describe a Ponzi scheme. Borr... (show quote)


For deficit spending, the Treasury auctions bonds and buys goods and services (infrastructure) with the proceeds. The bonds represent savings by the private sector. The total debt is the value of all outstanding treasuries and is also equal to the total saving of the private sector (including foreign bond-holders). The savings are a necessary part of the economy and must continue to grow with population and with increasing wealth.

The balance is complete. The government has infrastructure and the private sector has savings in the form of treasuries, risk-free, interest-bearing instruments necessary for trade collateral, pensions, insurance, bank reserves, etc. As the much-needed bonds mature, they are redeemed by anxious auction- bidders, not by the taxpayer.

Bond-holders would stop buying bonds only because another nation’s instruments are safer because its economy is better than ours. Excluding war or other catastrophe, the dangers to our economy are inflation, unemployment, and foreign exchange rate disadvantage. With fiat currency, the amount of outstanding federal debt is immaterial and the interest on the debt is covered by the deficit spending, paid for by bond-buyers.

During a recession, Inflation due to a shortage of goods is mostly due to energy needs, now en route to surplus. During prosperity, bank lending is the primary cause of inflation, not deficit spending. (Republicans are absolutely opposed to regulation of Wall Street.) The Fed can always stop inflation on a dime with high interest rates.

Unemployment and foreign exchange problems are tied to infrastructure. With enough deficit spending on infrastructure, unemployment would end completely and the world’s best infrastructure would guarantee the world’s best trade advantage. The solution is at hand if we are not too blind to see it.

The European nations do not have fiat currency. China lacks t***sparency and will lack it for many years to come. England is suffering from austerity. Japan is entering its third decade of liquidity trap. The basket of currency is going to be hard to fill.

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Dec 2, 2013 00:39:51   #
rickdri
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
For deficit spending, the Treasury auctions bonds and buys goods and services (infrastructure) with the proceeds. The bonds represent savings by the private sector. The total debt is the value of all outstanding treasuries and is also equal to the total saving of the private sector (including foreign bond-holders). The savings are a necessary part of the economy and must continue to grow with population and with increasing wealth.

The balance is complete. The government has infrastructure and the private sector has savings in the form of treasuries, risk-free, interest-bearing instruments necessary for trade collateral, pensions, insurance, bank reserves, etc. As the much-needed bonds mature, they are redeemed by anxious auction- bidders, not by the taxpayer.

Bond-holders would stop buying bonds only because another nation’s instruments are safer because its economy is better than ours. Excluding war or other catastrophe, the dangers to our economy are inflation, unemployment, and foreign exchange rate disadvantage. With fiat currency, the amount of outstanding federal debt is immaterial and the interest on the debt is covered by the deficit spending, paid for by bond-buyers.

During a recession, Inflation due to a shortage of goods is mostly due to energy needs, now en route to surplus. During prosperity, bank lending is the primary cause of inflation, not deficit spending. (Republicans are absolutely opposed to regulation of Wall Street.) The Fed can always stop inflation on a dime with high interest rates.

Unemployment and foreign exchange problems are tied to infrastructure. With enough deficit spending on infrastructure, unemployment would end completely and the world’s best infrastructure would guarantee the world’s best trade advantage. The solution is at hand if we are not too blind to see it.

The European nations do not have fiat currency. China lacks t***sparency and will lack it for many years to come. England is suffering from austerity. Japan is entering its third decade of liquidity trap. The basket of currency is going to be hard to fill.
For deficit spending, the Treasury auctions bonds ... (show quote)


In less than 2 years China's currency has gone from 0 to 12% of the worlds reserve currency. They will continue to push the RMB into more markets to replace the dollar. They are working with Europe now sending the RMB and receiving Euros back in exchange. This will make trade between Europe and China easier. The IMF has again called for a basket of currencies to replace the dollar. Of course the dollar will be apart of this basket. The dollar unfortunately will have a smaller role.
If you look at history every fiat currency has failed. It will be no different for the dollar as it will continue to lose status as the reserve currency. As I said it could take a decade or longer but don't underestimate China's resolve. They have liberalized their markets to some extent and will slowly open them up. They will begin to increase the size of their bond market to help make the RMB more fluid.
As for your idea for infrastructure, it's a good idea. However I don't believe it will bring in enough revenue in taxes to stop the bleeding. Politicians are intent on printing and borrowing even more money to satisfy their constituents with even more pork projects. They also have to take care of all of their contributors to their campaigns. Obama's new ADA will be needing much more money than originally stated. People are lying about their income and affairs to receive health care subsidies. Besides the ADA was set up to fail so that it could be replaced with an even more sinister plan. The single payer system. This will cost tax payers trillions more than was expected. Washington doesn't know the meaning of the word restraint when it comes to spending. The only way to fund all of this nonsense is to borrow and print more money. Printing more money will only help to debase the currency even more. Every time Washington starts a new program they find ways to do stealth taxes. Look at all of the tax increases in the ADA. 20 new stealth taxes people don't even realize they are paying. Yet just as with social security, congress will raid the funds to pay for some other government program. The president and congress can not be trusted with tax payer money.
Talking about waste now in government programs. Look at all of the tax payer loses with Obama's green programs. Solyndra for one. His friends the biggest bundlers of money for his campaign did not lose one penny when it went down. Yet the taxpayers were on the hook and lost their money. This has happened in many of Obama's green energy projects. His buddies come out scot free while the taxpayers take a bath. This is a prime example of crony capitalism and corruption. The way politicians waste money is ludicrous. Still think that an infrastructure program will make up the difference in Washington's wasteful spending?
Thank You for such an interesting conversation. It's nice to talk with someone that has many good ideas and good points. I'm sure I haven't convinced you of my ideas and points. However it was a good debate. I look forward to another time when we can debate our differences. It is also nice to debate a grown up. You were very interesting and very civil. It's hard to find someone on the chat blogs that remains calm and civil and doesn't resort to name calling just because they disagree with each other. Again Thank you!

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