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Nov 23, 2013 17:46:53   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
A couple or three were kicked out in 2010 and you can find some kicked out of the Army, Marines and Air Force, 15 that is in 2012 and 2013.

It appears we are shrinking the Navy much more than the other services since there have been 79 of them from Commander up in 2011 - 2013. From 2011 through 2013 there were 79 with 22 in 2011, 30 in 2012, and 27 in 3013. Surely with numbers like this non-coms will be running the Navy soon.

The link shows the names, ranks, commands and the year they were removed. It is very interesting that a large number of majors from the Air Force have been thrown out, also.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/list-of-names-military-purge-high-officers-terrifying/#eHhj3FSSL2m8P0Qu.99

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Nov 23, 2013 18:17:44   #
TeaPartyRon Loc: Tennessee
 
Now this is scary to say the least.

oldroy wrote:
A couple or three were kicked out in 2010 and you can find some kicked out of the Army, Marines and Air Force, 15 that is in 2012 and 2013.

It appears we are shrinking the Navy much more than the other services since there have been 79 of them from Commander up in 2011 - 2013. From 2011 through 2013 there were 79 with 22 in 2011, 30 in 2012, and 27 in 3013. Surely with numbers like this non-coms will be running the Navy soon.

The link shows the names, ranks, commands and the year they were removed. It is very interesting that a large number of majors from the Air Force have been thrown out, also.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/list-of-names-military-purge-high-officers-terrifying/#eHhj3FSSL2m8P0Qu.99
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Nov 23, 2013 19:30:42   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
It will take years to replace the experience these people had.


oldroy wrote:
A couple or three were kicked out in 2010 and you can find some kicked out of the Army, Marines and Air Force, 15 that is in 2012 and 2013.

It appears we are shrinking the Navy much more than the other services since there have been 79 of them from Commander up in 2011 - 2013. From 2011 through 2013 there were 79 with 22 in 2011, 30 in 2012, and 27 in 3013. Surely with numbers like this non-coms will be running the Navy soon.

The link shows the names, ranks, commands and the year they were removed. It is very interesting that a large number of majors from the Air Force have been thrown out, also.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/list-of-names-military-purge-high-officers-terrifying/#eHhj3FSSL2m8P0Qu.99
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Nov 23, 2013 19:40:41   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
TeaPartyRon wrote:
Now this is scary to say the least.




So is this:

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/08/09/a-military-c**p-will-remove-obama/

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Nov 23, 2013 19:44:34   #
emarine
 
bmac32 wrote:
It will take years to replace the experience these people had.


Overmanned Navy will ax some 3,000 mid-career sailors

By Erik Slavin

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Published: April 14, 2011




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An aviation machinist's mate, right, walks a hospital corpsman through a pre-flight inspection of an E-2C Hawkeye aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan. The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group is operating in the western Pacific Ocean. The Navy announced Thursday that it would be cutting 3,000 sailors in the ranks of E-4 to E-8 from overmanned career fields, such as the aviation machinist's mate rating.

Alexander Tidd/U.S. Navy

YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — The Navy is planning to cut 3,000 mid-career sailors from its ranks because of record retention rates, according to an administrative message and guidance put out Thursday by the Navy Personnel Command.

A new quota-based enlisted retention board will review 16,000 sailors with seven to 15 years of experience in the ranks of E-4 through E-8, in 31 different career ratings. Because of the high number of sailors who are choosing to stay in the Navy, these 31 career fields are overmanned, the Navy message said.

“The board will examine the records of all eligible sailors for declining performance, such as documented misconduct and substandard performance indicators,” according to the message from Vice Adm. Mark Ferguson, chief of naval personnel. “These will be the key factors in determining whether retention is in the best interests of the Navy.”

The first phase of the review, to begin in August, will consider E-4 and E-5 sailors. The second phase will consider sailors in the remaining ranks in September. Results are expected by November.

Sailors chosen for separation must leave the Navy by June 30, 2012, or by Sept. 30, 2012, if they receive an operational waiver.

“Sailors not selected for retention will have the option to apply for a selected reserve affiliation quota,” according to the additional guidance.

Sailors can find out if they are being reviewed after May 16 by logging on to Navy Knowledge Online and clicking on Navy Advancement Center, according to additional guidance sent to career counselors by the Navy Personnel Command. Commanding officers do not have the authority to keep eligible sailors from facing the retention board, according to the guidance.

In anticipation of the job cuts, the Navy is making it easier for sailors in overmanned fields to change jobs and remain in the active-duty Navy.




Sailors with more than 12 years’ service will be considered for conversion, regardless of pay grade, according to the guidance.

Sailors with permanent change of station orders in hand will also be considered for conversion, and several job fields that do not normally accept conversion have been opened up, according to the guidance.

Jobs affected by the Navy’s cuts will include the following, from the aviation field: machinist’s mate; electrician’s mate; aerographer’s mate; structural mechanic; support equipment technician; electronics technician; aircrewmen (R, F, and V subcategories); maintenance administration; aircrew survival equipmentman; and boatswain’s mate (fuels).

From construction ratings: builder; construction electrician; construction mechanic; equipment operator; engineering aide; steelworker; utilitiesman.

From surface and other ratings: electronics technician; electrician’s mate (surface); fire controlman (on non-Aegis ships); operations specialist; personnel specialist; religious programs specialist; ship’s serviceman; sonar technician (surface); gas turbine system technician, electrical; machinist’s mate (surface); machinery repairman; mineman.

Petty Officer 3rd Class Matthew Hofstetter, a ship’s serviceman whose rating is affected by the cuts, welcomed the announcement. Hofstetter has only served for four years in the Navy and will not face the review board.

“I think it’s a good idea,” said Hofstetter, of Niles, Ohio. “There are too many people stagnating.”

Others were less enthusiastic about the specter of forced separations. The announcement created concern Friday among sailors that other jobs, many of which teeter on the edge of being overmanned, could be next.

A group of sailors in logistics support, which includes storekeepers and postal clerks, said Friday that promotions have become increasingly tougher to come by in recent years. They wondered whether their rating could be subject to the chopping block in the future.

“A lot of people in our specialty are worried about what’s going to happen,” said Petty Officer 1st Class Jesus Luna-Garcia, a logistics support sailor from San Antonio, Texas. “When your job is in the hands of a board, it’s tough.”

To review the Navy’s administrative message on the job cuts, go to www.npc.navy.mil and look under “new messages.”

slavine@pstripes.osd.mil



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Nov 23, 2013 19:55:53   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Military recruiting goals are not experienced officers, experience comes with years not recruits.


emarine wrote:
Overmanned Navy will ax some 3,000 mid-career sailors

By Erik Slavin

Stars and Stripes
Share




Published: April 14, 2011




Related
All branches meet military recruiting goals

As separation rates plummet, military getting more selective


Image_17443016.jpg
An aviation machinist's mate, right, walks a hospital corpsman through a pre-flight inspection of an E-2C Hawkeye aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan. The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group is operating in the western Pacific Ocean. The Navy announced Thursday that it would be cutting 3,000 sailors in the ranks of E-4 to E-8 from overmanned career fields, such as the aviation machinist's mate rating.

Alexander Tidd/U.S. Navy

YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — The Navy is planning to cut 3,000 mid-career sailors from its ranks because of record retention rates, according to an administrative message and guidance put out Thursday by the Navy Personnel Command.

A new quota-based enlisted retention board will review 16,000 sailors with seven to 15 years of experience in the ranks of E-4 through E-8, in 31 different career ratings. Because of the high number of sailors who are choosing to stay in the Navy, these 31 career fields are overmanned, the Navy message said.

“The board will examine the records of all eligible sailors for declining performance, such as documented misconduct and substandard performance indicators,” according to the message from Vice Adm. Mark Ferguson, chief of naval personnel. “These will be the key factors in determining whether retention is in the best interests of the Navy.”

The first phase of the review, to begin in August, will consider E-4 and E-5 sailors. The second phase will consider sailors in the remaining ranks in September. Results are expected by November.

Sailors chosen for separation must leave the Navy by June 30, 2012, or by Sept. 30, 2012, if they receive an operational waiver.

“Sailors not selected for retention will have the option to apply for a selected reserve affiliation quota,” according to the additional guidance.

Sailors can find out if they are being reviewed after May 16 by logging on to Navy Knowledge Online and clicking on Navy Advancement Center, according to additional guidance sent to career counselors by the Navy Personnel Command. Commanding officers do not have the authority to keep eligible sailors from facing the retention board, according to the guidance.

In anticipation of the job cuts, the Navy is making it easier for sailors in overmanned fields to change jobs and remain in the active-duty Navy.




Sailors with more than 12 years’ service will be considered for conversion, regardless of pay grade, according to the guidance.

Sailors with permanent change of station orders in hand will also be considered for conversion, and several job fields that do not normally accept conversion have been opened up, according to the guidance.

Jobs affected by the Navy’s cuts will include the following, from the aviation field: machinist’s mate; electrician’s mate; aerographer’s mate; structural mechanic; support equipment technician; electronics technician; aircrewmen (R, F, and V subcategories); maintenance administration; aircrew survival equipmentman; and boatswain’s mate (fuels).

From construction ratings: builder; construction electrician; construction mechanic; equipment operator; engineering aide; steelworker; utilitiesman.

From surface and other ratings: electronics technician; electrician’s mate (surface); fire controlman (on non-Aegis ships); operations specialist; personnel specialist; religious programs specialist; ship’s serviceman; sonar technician (surface); gas turbine system technician, electrical; machinist’s mate (surface); machinery repairman; mineman.

Petty Officer 3rd Class Matthew Hofstetter, a ship’s serviceman whose rating is affected by the cuts, welcomed the announcement. Hofstetter has only served for four years in the Navy and will not face the review board.

“I think it’s a good idea,” said Hofstetter, of Niles, Ohio. “There are too many people stagnating.”

Others were less enthusiastic about the specter of forced separations. The announcement created concern Friday among sailors that other jobs, many of which teeter on the edge of being overmanned, could be next.

A group of sailors in logistics support, which includes storekeepers and postal clerks, said Friday that promotions have become increasingly tougher to come by in recent years. They wondered whether their rating could be subject to the chopping block in the future.

“A lot of people in our specialty are worried about what’s going to happen,” said Petty Officer 1st Class Jesus Luna-Garcia, a logistics support sailor from San Antonio, Texas. “When your job is in the hands of a board, it’s tough.”

To review the Navy’s administrative message on the job cuts, go to www.npc.navy.mil and look under “new messages.”

slavine@pstripes.osd.mil



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Nov 23, 2013 20:33:53   #
emarine
 
bmac32 wrote:
Military recruiting goals are not experienced officers, experience comes with years not recruits.


Yep... Too many sailors equals too many officers. Check out the Carlyle Group... the Apex of the problem with what's going on today. These are the guys Eisenhower warned about. Try to look at both sides for there is a lot in print on the subject. keep an open mind. This is really huge. This is why we make war

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Nov 23, 2013 20:54:10   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Too many but you don't cut your experienced people. Many O-4's and O-5's that could go.



emarine wrote:
Yep... Too many sailors equals too many officers. Check out the Carlyle Group... the Apex of the problem with what's going on today. These are the guys Eisenhower warned about. Try to look at both sides for there is a lot in print on the subject. keep an open mind. This is really huge. This is why we make war

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Nov 23, 2013 21:09:01   #
emarine
 
bmac32 wrote:
Too many but you don't cut your experienced people. Many O-4's and O-5's that could go.


I see your point... I heard it through the grape vine the Navy was going to cut way back all the way to the top so I am not that shocked.... I started a new post its older stuff about Carlyle sort of an intro... then you can follow up on what they are up to now on the net.... This is scary stuff

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Nov 23, 2013 21:27:37   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
When I was in the Navy I saw many O-3's cut and from what I saw there were not needed. We had two of those cuts where I worked and both were pretty useless. Plenty to cut still I'm sure but command officers I not so sure about.



emarine wrote:
I see your point... I heard it through the grape vine the Navy was going to cut way back all the way to the top so I am not that shocked.... I started a new post its older stuff about Carlyle sort of an intro... then you can follow up on what they are up to now on the net.... This is scary stuff

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Nov 23, 2013 21:43:52   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
emarine wrote:
Overmanned Navy will ax some 3,000 mid-career sailors

By Erik Slavin

Stars and Stripes
Share




Published: April 14, 2011




Related
All branches meet military recruiting goals

As separation rates plummet, military getting more selective


Image_17443016.jpg
An aviation machinist's mate, right, walks a hospital corpsman through a pre-flight inspection of an E-2C Hawkeye aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan. The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group is operating in the western Pacific Ocean. The Navy announced Thursday that it would be cutting 3,000 sailors in the ranks of E-4 to E-8 from overmanned career fields, such as the aviation machinist's mate rating.

Alexander Tidd/U.S. Navy

YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — The Navy is planning to cut 3,000 mid-career sailors from its ranks because of record retention rates, according to an administrative message and guidance put out Thursday by the Navy Personnel Command.

A new quota-based enlisted retention board will review 16,000 sailors with seven to 15 years of experience in the ranks of E-4 through E-8, in 31 different career ratings. Because of the high number of sailors who are choosing to stay in the Navy, these 31 career fields are overmanned, the Navy message said.

“The board will examine the records of all eligible sailors for declining performance, such as documented misconduct and substandard performance indicators,” according to the message from Vice Adm. Mark Ferguson, chief of naval personnel. “These will be the key factors in determining whether retention is in the best interests of the Navy.”

The first phase of the review, to begin in August, will consider E-4 and E-5 sailors. The second phase will consider sailors in the remaining ranks in September. Results are expected by November.

Sailors chosen for separation must leave the Navy by June 30, 2012, or by Sept. 30, 2012, if they receive an operational waiver.

“Sailors not selected for retention will have the option to apply for a selected reserve affiliation quota,” according to the additional guidance.

Sailors can find out if they are being reviewed after May 16 by logging on to Navy Knowledge Online and clicking on Navy Advancement Center, according to additional guidance sent to career counselors by the Navy Personnel Command. Commanding officers do not have the authority to keep eligible sailors from facing the retention board, according to the guidance.

In anticipation of the job cuts, the Navy is making it easier for sailors in overmanned fields to change jobs and remain in the active-duty Navy.




Sailors with more than 12 years’ service will be considered for conversion, regardless of pay grade, according to the guidance.

Sailors with permanent change of station orders in hand will also be considered for conversion, and several job fields that do not normally accept conversion have been opened up, according to the guidance.

Jobs affected by the Navy’s cuts will include the following, from the aviation field: machinist’s mate; electrician’s mate; aerographer’s mate; structural mechanic; support equipment technician; electronics technician; aircrewmen (R, F, and V subcategories); maintenance administration; aircrew survival equipmentman; and boatswain’s mate (fuels).

From construction ratings: builder; construction electrician; construction mechanic; equipment operator; engineering aide; steelworker; utilitiesman.

From surface and other ratings: electronics technician; electrician’s mate (surface); fire controlman (on non-Aegis ships); operations specialist; personnel specialist; religious programs specialist; ship’s serviceman; sonar technician (surface); gas turbine system technician, electrical; machinist’s mate (surface); machinery repairman; mineman.

Petty Officer 3rd Class Matthew Hofstetter, a ship’s serviceman whose rating is affected by the cuts, welcomed the announcement. Hofstetter has only served for four years in the Navy and will not face the review board.

“I think it’s a good idea,” said Hofstetter, of Niles, Ohio. “There are too many people stagnating.”

Others were less enthusiastic about the specter of forced separations. The announcement created concern Friday among sailors that other jobs, many of which teeter on the edge of being overmanned, could be next.

A group of sailors in logistics support, which includes storekeepers and postal clerks, said Friday that promotions have become increasingly tougher to come by in recent years. They wondered whether their rating could be subject to the chopping block in the future.

“A lot of people in our specialty are worried about what’s going to happen,” said Petty Officer 1st Class Jesus Luna-Garcia, a logistics support sailor from San Antonio, Texas. “When your job is in the hands of a board, it’s tough.”

To review the Navy’s administrative message on the job cuts, go to www.npc.navy.mil and look under “new messages.”

slavine@pstripes.osd.mil



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Are you alluding to the fact that cutting 3000 sailors from the ranks calls for cutting out 79 high ranking officers? If so why is it that the officers were cut at a rate of 27 in 2011 and 30 in 2012. I think you have missed the fact that enlisted men in the Navy tend to be in that E4 through E8 category and the officers from Commander up seem to be higher numbers and don't have E in front of their number.

Damned nice try, though, and I bet some of the leaners here who don't know sheet about this really went along with you.

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Nov 23, 2013 21:56:02   #
emarine
 
oldroy wrote:
Are you alluding to the fact that cutting 3000 sailors from the ranks calls for cutting out 79 high ranking officers? If so why is it that the officers were cut at a rate of 27 in 2011 and 30 in 2012. I think you have missed the fact that enlisted men in the Navy tend to be in that E4 through E8 category and the officers from Commander up seem to be higher numbers and don't have E in front of their number.

Damned nice try, though, and I bet some of the leaners here who don't know sheet about this really went along with you.
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The post is from 2011.... I know its just another big Obama conspiracy....He fired all the Brass so he could steal their boats and go deep sea fishing... Happy now

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Nov 23, 2013 22:25:58   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
emarine wrote:
The post is from 2011.... I know its just another big Obama conspiracy....He fired all the Brass so he could steal their boats and go deep sea fishing... Happy now


I knew how old that one was but didn't see any admission of same till I called on it.

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Nov 23, 2013 22:51:51   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Fishing on a carrier?


emarine wrote:
The post is from 2011.... I know its just another big Obama conspiracy....He fired all the Brass so he could steal their boats and go deep sea fishing... Happy now

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Nov 23, 2013 22:55:50   #
emarine
 
bmac32 wrote:
Fishing on a carrier?


Its a big ocean Taz :thumbup:

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