Richard94611 wrote:
YES, perhaps you Republicans will learn something from this. The "nuclear option" was discussed a few years back. When you abuse your power as Republicans in the House recently have, sooner or later you get that power taken away from you.
The nuclear option has been invoked. Seems a simple majority just ain't good enough for some folk.
Yes, I would be happy if there were only a handful of Republicans in the House and Senate, but no such luck.
lpnmajor wrote:
The nuclear option has been invoked. Seems a simple majority just ain't good enough for some folk.
Richard94611 wrote:
Yes, I would be happy if there were only a handful of Republicans in the House and Senate, but no such luck.
Weeelll, maybe the e******ns in 2104 & 16 could change that. I hope.
Let us hope for a great reduction of Republican power.
lpnmajor wrote:
Weeelll, maybe the e******ns in 2104 & 16 could change that. I hope.
Maybe we should go Black Bear hunting. Sounds like fun!!!
A great reduction in Republican Power? I'm assuming that to mean conservative power and to what end? The total corruption of our society? Or maybe a bankrupt government that is ablidged to raid our IRA's and 401K"s. You should think hard, OH WELFARITE...we pay for your existence. Take the consevatives (sic) middleclass wage earners, out of the equation and you will starve, or gasp!!!! have to go to work...But wait...maybe you do actually work or at least you generate an income...that would mean that you would have to feed the rats if we weren't here or the rats might just feed on you!
Speaking in that kind of absolutes suggests that you are not thinking clearly.
marke wrote:
A great reduction in Republican Power? I'm assuming that to mean conservative power and to what end? The total corruption of our society? Or maybe a bankrupt government that is ablidged to raid our IRA's and 401K"s. You should think hard, OH WELFARITE...we pay for your existence. Take the consevatives (sic) middleclass wage earners, out of the equation and you will starve, or gasp!!!! have to go to work...But wait...maybe you do actually work or at least you generate an income...that would mean that you would have to feed the rats if we weren't here or the rats might just feed on you!
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Really? Then tell me who you think is going to support this country in the event that we have a financial meltdown?Do you think all those folks on the welfare rolls will? Perhaps you think the Hispanics will(actually, with no work, they will go back to Mexico). Maybe, it's just possible that without an honest, law abiding working , producing population, This country cant survive. It's Kinda like Margaret Thatcher said, quote" Socialism is great till you run out of the other guys money". People with your mind set seem to think that the money will just appear. They think e******y means that all people have the same amount of money, the same kind of house, there is no upper class, middle class or lower class, when in fact, true e******y means that all get an equal chance, not an equal handout. They can take that chance and with hard work, intelligence, risk taking and providence turn into something wonderful. But in any case, taking money rightfully, lawfully earned from the person who earned it isn't e******y, it's theft, pure and simple.
Speaking frankly, your idea of "theft" seems to indicate that you really don't want to live in a society with other people. People in ALL cultures give and take for the welfare of the culture. I have suggested it before, and I will suggest it again, that perhaps you need to find some place where "society" doesn't take from you, a place like Swarrow Atoll in the South Pacific or perhaps a cabin 100 miles from your nearest neighbors in the Canadian wilderness. Were you on Swarrow, of course, you would be forced to consider cadging cans of coffee and other such things from yachtsmen who stopped by, but I think the need would overcome your conservative principles. In the Canadian wilderness you would just be forced to bring your own wh**evers (Imagine what a trip to the nearest grocery store would involve !), but you could be the prototypical. independent American frontiersman, taking care of all your needs by yourself, and depending on nobody else. That would fit into your ideological framework just perfectly -- except if you got kidney stones that made your kidneys go septic, or perhaps appendix problems that required an operation. Then, self-styled hermit that you would be, you could just say goodbye to all the advantages of living in a society.
If you want to withdraw from the practices of a civilized society, then for goodness sake stop talking about it and do it.
marke wrote:
Really? Then tell me who you think is going to support this country in the event that we have a financial meltdown?Do you think all those folks on the welfare rolls will? Perhaps you think the Hispanics will(actually, with no work, they will go back to Mexico). Maybe, it's just possible that without an honest, law abiding working , producing population, This country cant survive. It's Kinda like Margaret Thatcher said, quote" Socialism is great till you run out of the other guys money". People with your mind set seem to think that the money will just appear. They think e******y means that all people have the same amount of money, the same kind of house, there is no upper class, middle class or lower class, when in fact, true e******y means that all get an equal chance, not an equal handout. They can take that chance and with hard work, intelligence, risk taking and providence turn into something wonderful. But in any case, taking money rightfully, lawfully earned from the person who earned it isn't e******y, it's theft, pure and simple.
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Sure I want to live in a civilized society, I just don't consider a society of theives to be anything like civilized. If I elect to help support some poor soul who can't support themselves, that is my choice and is not theft, but rather charity. If how ever, the government takes it upon themselves to apportion any monies or valuables I might possess in wh**ever fashion, I most certainly will take offence. I assume you worked for what you have...if you truly espouse your beliefs, give me your money...failing that, give it all to charity and don't do it becasue you want to but because the federal government makes you. Make sure it's your retirement nest egg while your at it...we wouldn't want you to have anything like a retirement while their may be someone out there who wants what you have. On a calmer note...and to put it in perspective, my mother in law, who has worked her entire life in factories, subsist on less than 700.00 per month. not three doors down is a family with no father present, he actually lives in another apartment, they claim welfare multiplied by 6 kids and the father works a job as does the mother. They also get food stamps. As well intentioned as the gov. might be, I woudn't trust them to manage my grandsons piggy bank for the welfare of all and if you would, you are ignorant.Open your eyes, what do you see with Obama care...do you see a resounding success? How about 18 trillion in national debt, is that a resounding success. before you start calling the kettle black and asking the worker to leave, maybe you better cleanup yor own act I don't need to go live in some desolate place...the likes of you do...
Your comments are way off target. As for giving what I possess, I give an ENORMOUS amount each month to others to help further worthy, non-political causes. A distant island or a neighborhood where there are no other neighbors would probably make you a lot happier. You don't sound to me as though you are ready for any kind of social contract, except perhaps one in which you tell stories in return for cans of coffee.
marke wrote:
Sure I want to live in a civilized society, I just don't consider a society of theives to be anything like civilized. If I elect to help support some poor soul who can't support themselves, that is my choice and is not theft, but rather charity. If how ever, the government takes it upon themselves to apportion any monies or valuables I might possess in wh**ever fashion, I most certainly will take offence. I assume you worked for what you have...if you truly espouse your beliefs, give me your money...failing that, give it all to charity and don't do it becasue you want to but because the federal government makes you. Make sure it's your retirement nest egg while your at it...we wouldn't want you to have anything like a retirement while their may be someone out there who wants what you have. On a calmer note...and to put it in perspective, my mother in law, who has worked her entire life in factories, subsist on less than 700.00 per month. not three doors down is a family with no father present, he actually lives in another apartment, they claim welfare multiplied by 6 kids and the father works a job as does the mother. They also get food stamps. As well intentioned as the gov. might be, I woudn't trust them to manage my grandsons piggy bank for the welfare of all and if you would, you are ignorant.Open your eyes, what do you see with Obama care...do you see a resounding success? How about 18 trillion in national debt, is that a resounding success. before you start calling the kettle black and asking the worker to leave, maybe you better cleanup yor own act I don't need to go live in some desolate place...the likes of you do...
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You say my comments are way off target, how so? I'm curious to know how you can think that any civilization that lives outside of the tenants of moral conduct can help but fail. What you espouse amounts to socialism at best and probably outright c*******m. How do you justify a position like that given the lessons of history...some of it being made as we speak.A society based on the moral tenants of God by definition takes care of the weak..they don't depend on the government to do it for them nor do they allow the government to raise their children or dictate to them what the definition of morality is.When government begins to do this, they have way overstepped their bounds. If your definition of 'civilized society' is that we must all give what we have to a corrupt government to be squandered as we see is now happening, I can only assume that you yourself have aspirations of being part of the intellectual elite, immune from the reach of the government. You must have a huge amount of faith in the human heart for you to espouse such beliefs. I assure you, I don't share those sentiments. The heart of man is inherently evil and you don't have to look very far to see the evidence. I would wish you luck in your endevours, but that would be counter to Gods will and since I don't intend to answer anymore of your comments, this is goodbye. I can see that your mind will remain unchanged. I wish you knew God...as he most certainly know you...you probably would have a different opinion.
Richard94611 wrote:
Speaking frankly, your idea of "theft" seems to indicate that you really don't want to live in a society with other people. People in ALL cultures give and take for the welfare of the culture. I have suggested it before, and I will suggest it again, that perhaps you need to find some place where "society" doesn't take from you, a place like Swarrow Atoll in the South Pacific or perhaps a cabin 100 miles from your nearest neighbors in the Canadian wilderness. Were you on Swarrow, of course, you would be forced to consider cadging cans of coffee and other such things from yachtsmen who stopped by, but I think the need would overcome your conservative principles. In the Canadian wilderness you would just be forced to bring your own wh**evers (Imagine what a trip to the nearest grocery store would involve !), but you could be the prototypical. independent American frontiersman, taking care of all your needs by yourself, and depending on nobody else. That would fit into your ideological framework just perfectly -- except if you got kidney stones that made your kidneys go septic, or perhaps appendix problems that required an operation. Then, self-styled hermit that you would be, you could just say goodbye to all the advantages of living in a society.
If you want to withdraw from the practices of a civilized society, then for goodness sake stop talking about it and do it.
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Richard,
Ever heard about the difference between VOLUNTARY giving and FORCED giving, especially when you factor in the giving being done by politicians with other peoples money ( in order to buy their good will/v**e)??
Do you suppose any of that is actually going on? NAH, couldn't be..
1oldgeezer
marke wrote:
You say my comments are way off target, how so? I'm curious to know how you can think that any civilization that lives outside of the tenants of moral conduct can help but fail. What you espouse amounts to socialism at best and probably outright c*******m. How do you justify a position like that given the lessons of history...some of it being made as we speak.A society based on the moral tenants of God by definition takes care of the weak..they don't depend on the government to do it for them nor do they allow the government to raise their children or dictate to them what the definition of morality is.When government begins to do this, they have way overstepped their bounds. If your definition of 'civilized society' is that we must all give what we have to a corrupt government to be squandered as we see is now happening, I can only assume that you yourself have aspirations of being part of the intellectual elite, immune from the reach of the government. You must have a huge amount of faith in the human heart for you to espouse such beliefs. I assure you, I don't share those sentiments. The heart of man is inherently evil and you don't have to look very far to see the evidence. I would wish you luck in your endevours, but that would be counter to Gods will and since I don't intend to answer anymore of your comments, this is goodbye. I can see that your mind will remain unchanged. I wish you knew God...as he most certainly know you...you probably would have a different opinion.
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Mark,
I'm with you, I'm not the Christian scholar I should be, but I understood that Christ asked that the giving be done voluntarily by the individual, not that people give their money to Ceasar so he could pass it out as he saw fit. The point being that it wasn't a charitable act deserving of reward unless it was voluntary.
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1oldgeezeer
REALLY?You must be kidding! Abuse of power on the Republicans part? What about a president that rules by fiat. Just throws out another "executive order" anytime he doesn't get his way and many times just because.
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