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Aug 27, 2016 22:14:43   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
if you look at the word air it's the "spirit", that when we all get changed in our spiritual bodies, the 7 Trump. you see what I mean by study and rightfully dividing the Word of Truth. That was just one item that I saw on your statement. As for "mw", this is an example on how important it is to has a good teacher. I'll stay with my teacher for God provides -Yahveh Jirah.


You can stick with your tv preacher to teach you how to twist scripture and attempt to intimidate others. You have learned quite well. I have read 2 books on your belief and watched him for a year. He is nothing but a very dangerous false teacher, but I do believe you are sincere in your walk with the Lord, you've just been brainwashed. Have a good evening!

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Aug 27, 2016 22:34:27   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
You can stick with your tv preacher to teach you how to twist scripture and attempt to intimidate others. You have learned quite well. I have read 2 books on your belief and watched him for a year. He is nothing but a very dangerous false teacher, but I do believe you are sincere in your walk with the Lord, you've just been brainwashed. Have a good evening!


Get a concordance and check for yourself, It's not as dangerous as not knowing what is the meaning of the root word and going around unlearned. So do you know the parable of the fig tree? Probably not, and the Key of David?. Only two churches are found to be aligned with Gods word. the rest are dead because they don't study, they have leaders that just read but not get into the meat of the Word, Got Milk, still not ready for the deep meaning that's in the pregnant Word of God. Judgement starts at the Pulpit.

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Aug 27, 2016 23:20:48   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
iFrank wrote:
Well do you know it? if not you better get going because Jesus said learn it now. Don't you listen to God when He says to study yourselves, so you won't be ashamed when you have to correct someone. Here's another thing to study " the Key of David", Your behind schedule, better start because that a part of the 5 of 7 churches that are dead. Please don't bother me with your questions, go help yourself. Buy a concordance and KJ version Bible. You are lacking.

I am lacking? I made mention of and provided biblical references about the Rapture that challenged what you said about it not being biblical and yet so far all you have done is ordered me to “get going because Jesus said learn it now” and tell me that I’m “behind schedule.” You haven’t provided ONE piece of Scripture to support your “demands.” And you paint a pretty broad stroke not knowing a thing about me.

You call yourself a watchman yet you say "don't bother me with your questions, go help yourself."

Yeah right. This is what a watchman is…

Ezekiel 3:17:21 (ESV)
“Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. Again, if a righteous person turns from his righteousness and commits injustice, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die. Because you have not warned him, he shall die for his sin, and his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the righteous person not to sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he took warning, and you will have delivered your soul.”

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Aug 28, 2016 00:06:08   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
mwdegutis wrote:
I am lacking? I made mention of and provided biblical references about the Rapture that challenged what you said about it not being biblical and yet so far all you have done is ordered me to “get going because Jesus said learn it now” and tell me that I’m “behind schedule.” You haven’t provided ONE piece of Scripture to support your “demands.” And you paint a pretty broad stroke not knowing a thing about me.

You call yourself a watchman yet you say "don't bother me with your questions, go help yourself."

Yeah right. This is what a watchman is…

Ezekiel 3:17:21 (ESV)
“Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. Again, if a righteous person turns from his righteousness and commits injustice, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die. Because you have not warned him, he shall die for his sin, and his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the righteous person not to sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he took warning, and you will have delivered your soul.”
I am lacking? I made mention of and provided bibli... (show quote)


Well there you go, you found that one about the watchman. So have you learned the parable of the Fig Tree. What Jesus said to learn. The word is pregnant. The more you study with the concordance to research the meaning of the all important word of God. I've put the seed and I'm glad that some people do try to learn, but people do need teachers to help them learn, As iron sharpen Iron.

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Aug 28, 2016 07:30:39   #
fredlott63
 
The saddest idea to understand about blind leading blind is knowing the follower has no way of knowing the leader is blind also until disaster occurs.

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Aug 28, 2016 08:20:58   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
fredlott63 wrote:
The saddest idea to understand about blind leading blind is knowing the follower has no way of knowing the leader is blind also until disaster occurs.


By their fruits you shall know them, when you can rightly divide the word of God, no one can deceive you for you know how the chain of events will happen, remember Christ has foretold us all things. I don't know who you were replying to but I took the liberty to respond.

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Aug 28, 2016 09:47:02   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
iFrank wrote:
Well there you go, you found that one about the watchman. So have you learned the parable of the Fig Tree. What Jesus said to learn. The word is pregnant. The more you study with the concordance to research the meaning of the all important word of God. I've put the seed and I'm glad that some people do try to learn, but people do need teachers to help them learn, As iron sharpen Iron.

I'm pretty sure that based on other posts of yours that you don't have anything of value to show me. I'll stick with the Holy Spirit and where He is leading me.

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Aug 28, 2016 09:50:56   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
mwdegutis wrote:
I'm pretty sure that based on other posts of yours that you don't have anything of value to show me. I'll stick with the Holy Spirit and where He is leading me.


Sure. But remember what Christ said to learn the parable of the Fig tree.

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Aug 28, 2016 11:41:40   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
if you look at the word air it's the "spirit", that when we all get changed in our spiritual bodies, the 7 Trump. you see what I mean by study and rightfully dividing the Word of Truth. That was just one item that I saw on your statement. As for "mw", this is an example on how important it is to has a good teacher. I'll stay with my teacher for God provides -Yahveh Jirah.


So you're going to believe the interpretation of a man instead of the very words of Jesus Christ in John 10:27-29?

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Aug 28, 2016 12:01:45   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
Get a concordance and check for yourself, It's not as dangerous as not knowing what is the meaning of the root word and going around unlearned. So do you know the parable of the fig tree? Probably not, and the Key of David?. Only two churches are found to be aligned with Gods word. the rest are dead because they don't study, they have leaders that just read but not get into the meat of the Word, Got Milk, still not ready for the deep meaning that's in the pregnant Word of God. Judgement starts at the Pulpit.
Get a concordance and check for yourself, It's not... (show quote)


You don't study the bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse, you study the words of Arnold Murray! You even use his words. I don't use anything but the words and the teachings of Jesus Christ. I don't depend on man or a denomination to do my studying.

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Aug 28, 2016 12:27:22   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
So you're going to believe the interpretation of a man instead of the very words of Jesus Christ in John 10:27-29?


And Jesus spoke, that's truth. Isa 30:20- 22 Get thee hence. I Corint 12:28 That God sent teachers to us. Eph 4:10 Jesus sent us teachers to perfect us in studying the Holy Word of God which is the Bible. Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God. Col 3:16..: 2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, ( when someone asks you a question you can answer in season or out of season {for God and His Glory} and not embarrass your religion), rightly dividing the word of truth. That's why it's profitable to learn the Bible like the Parable of the Fig tree. Ask your spiritual leader and see what he answers you. It has to be Biblical. You keep asking but you don't want to study for yourself.

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Aug 28, 2016 13:09:13   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
Sure. But remember what Christ said to learn the parable of the Fig tree.


You mean this parable of the fig tree! I'll start with a quote from a sermon on an audio tape called "demons". This is about the Kenites - Jews of Israel "why do you think their own Talmud is the filthiest piece of literature ever written? Because they're at home with it. They love it. It's their cup of tea. It's Satan's cup of tea." Another quote on 5-16-91 "I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend." He teaches that the Kenites are the descendants of Cain who was the biological son of Satan and that the Jews of Israel are mostly Kenites that slipped in during the 67 6th day war. He teaches that they killed Jesus. He calls Kenites(Jews) scum and said, "If you want to get a Kenites upset, bother his money table." He teaches that the real Jews are now part of America and Great Britain, these are the lost tribes. He teaches that all races were created on the six day of creation and Angle-Saxons on the 8th. He said that only 'idiots' believe in a six day creation and that many will go to hell because of it. He claims that we can't understand God's word if that's all we see. he also teaches that 2 Kenites got on board of the Ark and that the flood was not over the whole world. Mathew 13 he claims that the Kenites are the fares of the parable of the wheat and tares. He teaches that most Christians have been wrong since the beginning of scriptures. Along with these unbiblical teachings, he denies the trinity and he teaches that we all existed with God in another age and that if we weren't saved that we would have a chance to 'be taught' in the millennium while everyone is in their spiritual bodies. This is just a few of the unbiblical 'add on' things that he is teaching. I still believe that if one believes the gospel that Paul taught, he will be saved. Murray taught that he was God's exclusive messenger for this era. I don't know if he was saved or not! I'll leave that up to the Lord and him.

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Aug 28, 2016 15:31:35   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
You mean this parable of the fig tree! I'll start with a quote from a sermon on an audio tape called "demons". This is about the Kenites - Jews of Israel "why do you think their own Talmud is the filthiest piece of literature ever written? Because they're at home with it. They love it. It's their cup of tea. It's Satan's cup of tea." Another quote on 5-16-91 "I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend." He teaches that the Kenites are the descendants of Cain who was the biological son of Satan and that the Jews of Israel are mostly Kenites that slipped in during the 67 6th day war. He teaches that they killed Jesus. He calls Kenites(Jews) scum and said, "If you want to get a Kenites upset, bother his money table." He teaches that the real Jews are now part of America and Great Britain, these are the lost tribes. He teaches that all races were created on the six day of creation and Angle-Saxons on the 8th. He said that only 'idiots' believe in a six day creation and that many will go to hell because of it. He claims that we can't understand God's word if that's all we see. he also teaches that 2 Kenites got on board of the Ark and that the flood was not over the whole world. Mathew 13 he claims that the Kenites are the fares of the parable of the wheat and tares. He teaches that most Christians have been wrong since the beginning of scriptures. Along with these unbiblical teachings, he denies the trinity and he teaches that we all existed with God in another age and that if we weren't saved that we would have a chance to 'be taught' in the millennium while everyone is in their spiritual bodies. This is just a few of the unbiblical 'add on' things that he is teaching. I still believe that if one believes the gospel that Paul taught, he will be saved. Murray taught that he was God's exclusive messenger for this era. I don't know if he was saved or not! I'll leave that up to the Lord and him.
You mean this parable of the fig tree! I'll start... (show quote)


What do you mean this parable of the fig tree. There's the one that Jesus spoke of in Mark 13:28. That when Israel became a country, and that this generation will not pass away before Christ comes back. This material world will pass away but the words from Christ shall not pass away even in the third spiritual age. When Christ comes back and your working for your church promoting the rapture, or another form of un-biblical work, that's considered to be with child and unfit to be a chaste Virgin for the bride of Christ. Even Paul said this in 2 Corinthians 11:2 so don't be one of the foolish virgins. The Truth is there in the bible, study. This is your second admonishment like it says in the word after that to leave that person alone.

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Aug 28, 2016 17:27:53   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
What do you mean this parable of the fig tree. There's the one that Jesus spoke of in Mark 13:28. That when Israel became a country, and that this generation will not pass away before Christ comes back. This material world will pass away but the words from Christ shall not pass away even in the third spiritual age. When Christ comes back and your working for your church promoting the rapture, or another form of un-biblical work, that's considered to be with child and unfit to be a chaste Virgin for the bride of Christ. Even Paul said this in 2 Corinthians 11:2 so don't be one of the foolish virgins. The Truth is there in the bible, study. This is your second admonishment like it says in the word after that to leave that person alone.
What do you mean this parable of the fig tree. The... (show quote)


Oh darn, I've been admonished for the second time! Mr. Frank I hope you do some serious research on Murray's life. He is not the man you think he is. I pray that you will try reading the bible without the use of his tapes or his teachings. Rev 22:19. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

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Aug 28, 2016 18:00:19   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
TexaCan wrote:
Oh darn, I've been admonished for the second time! Mr. Frank I hope you do some serious research on Murray's life. He is not the man you think he is. I pray that you will try reading the bible without the use of his tapes or his teachings. Rev 22:19. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Oh darn, I've been admonished for the second time!... (show quote)

Well said TexaCan!

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