In the past, I so strongly believed in New Testament Church tithing, that in my heart, I use to look down on Christians who were not faithful in their tithing to the Church. In fact, I so strongly believed in "tithing" that I believed that Christians who were not faithful in their tithing to the Church, were robbing God. However, over the years, upon a more careful examination of the "Scriptures", I discovered that the unnecessary "burden" of tithing that today's Church has laid upon the Saints of God, is not Scriptural!
The same also holds true to my earlier belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture." Over the years, upon further examination of the "Scriptures", I discovered that the belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" is not "Scriptural!" I have previously posted an article about this (About the Rapture) on this site.
A document "Dealing with the Institutional Church's doctrine of Tithing" is contained in the attachment.
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Alan Finch wrote:
In the past, I so strongly believed in New Testament Church tithing, that in my heart, I use to look down on Christians who were not faithful in their tithing to the Church. In fact, I so strongly believed in "tithing" that I believed that Christians who were not faithful in their tithing to the Church, were robbing God. However, over the years, upon a more careful examination of the "Scriptures", I discovered that the unnecessary "burden" of tithing that today's Church has laid upon the Saints of God, is not Scriptural!
The same also holds true to my earlier belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture." Over the years, upon further examination of the "Scriptures", I discovered that the belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" is not "Scriptural!" I have previously posted an article about this (About the Rapture) on this site.
A document "Dealing with the Institutional Church's doctrine of Tithing" is contained in the attachment.
Thank You!
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I'm Catholic but you lost me after the 2nd sentence
Alan Finch wrote:
In the past, I so strongly believed in New Testament Church tithing, that in my heart, I use to look down on Christians who were not faithful in their tithing to the Church. In fact, I so strongly believed in "tithing" that I believed that Christians who were not faithful in their tithing to the Church, were robbing God. However, over the years, upon a more careful examination of the "Scriptures", I discovered that the unnecessary "burden" of tithing that today's Church has laid upon the Saints of God, is not Scriptural!
The same also holds true to my earlier belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture." Over the years, upon further examination of the "Scriptures", I discovered that the belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" is not "Scriptural!" I have previously posted an article about this (About the Rapture) on this site.
A document "Dealing with the Institutional Church's doctrine of Tithing" is contained in the attachment.
Thank You!
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In responce to your post, I am in total agreement. In my youth I was taught to always give 10% of everything I made to the church. In my older years I have found that it was only in the old testament that you tithed. It is not mentioned in the new testament. The old testaments are the history of Jesus and God and we are to live by the new testament. It tells us how to live and our future and what we need to do as a Christan. This is my opinion and not meant toinsult anyone.
cesspool jones wrote:
I'm Catholic but you lost me after the 2nd sentence
He is saying in polite terms that when huckster preachers shake down believers for ten percent of their wealth and wages based on biblical scripture they are lying to line their own pockets. The second point is that there is a modern construct of biblical prophesy that serves reactionary conservitive philosophy. It is called "the rapture", also not based on scripture the story is that the world is soon to end... judgement day and all that rubbish. When it does the true believers (as long as they dutifully dumped the required 10% or more in the plate) will instantly jet off to heaven while the rest of humanity will stick around for years of famine, floods, fires, war and in a nutshell are pretty much fucked. He woke up to the s**m and is adjusting his world view to match reality.
A few quick "thoughts" on the subject:
The Scripture does say "The tithe is The Lord's." It also say's that God is the same yesterday, today and always.
Jesus by example and with "parables" which are themselves examples, so don't you think that we should learn from "examples" and consider the Old Testament example a good indication of what we "should do" under grace. Steal
Should we also disregard some of the other Old Testament "Commandments" like, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me", "Thou shalt not k**l", "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not commit adultery", and the other six in that well known list?
No, tithing is not a New Testament "requirement", but, should we do any less under grace? Remember that it also says that where your treasure is there, shall your heart be also.
A personal, not scriptural, note: I'm amazed by the number of people who will argue against giving ten percent to his/her church but will vehemently proclaim that only a greedy "scrooge" would not "give" a 15% "tip" to the waiter at his local restaurant.
DotsMan wrote:
A few quick "thoughts" on the subject:
The Scripture does say "The tithe is The Lord's." It also say's that God is the same yesterday, today and always.
Jesus by example and with "parables" which are themselves examples, so don't you think that we should learn from "examples" and consider the Old Testament example a good indication of what we "should do" under grace. Steal
Should we also disregard some of the other Old Testament "Commandments" like, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me", "Thou shalt not k**l", "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not commit adultery", and the other six in that well known list?
No, tithing is not a New Testament "requirement", but, should we do any less under grace? Remember that it also says that where your treasure is there, shall your heart be also.
A personal, not scriptural, note: I'm amazed by the number of people who will argue against giving ten percent to his/her church but will vehemently proclaim that only a greedy "scrooge" would not "give" a 15% "tip" to the waiter at his local restaurant.
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Here's how I see it. It cost money to run a church. You have to pay for the property. Then there are repairs and expansion costs. You have to pay the preacher. Then there are utilities, as well as the cost of sending missionaries. There is also the cost of any charitable work. Everything we have comes from the Lord. You would be a ungrateful bastard, not to give something back. Just my two cents.
Not a problem, God is all around us, why go to church?
I'm not into fashion shows!
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
Here's how I see it. It cost money to run a church. You have to pay for the property. Then there are repairs and expansion costs. You have to pay the preacher. Then there are utilities, as well as the cost of sending missionaries. There is also the cost of any charitable work. Everything we have comes from the Lord. You would be a ungrateful bastard, not to give something back. Just my two cents.
bilordinary wrote:
Not a problem, God is all around us, why go to church?
I'm not into fashion shows!
Why? Because Jesus told us to.
bilordinary wrote:
I don't think so.
Jesus went to church as a regular practice. Luke 4:16 says, "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom." It was his custom—his regular practice—to go to church. If Jesus made it a priority to meet together with other believers, shouldn't we, as his followers, do so also? He may not have commanded us to go to Church, but we are to emulate Christ's behavior. That includes going to Church. Also, how is a new Christian suppose to grow in Christ, if they do not attend Church? Individual Christians are vulnerable to sin. Together, they have support and encouragement. So Church attendance is essential to the life of a believer. Jesus also said...Where two or three are gathered together, in my name, there am I.
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