eagleye13 Loc: Fl

The Babylonian Talmidists were sacrificing to Moloch, Not Israelite Hebrews.
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No one today seriously suggests present-day Jews sacrifice children to Moloch. Moloch (sometimes spelled "Molech") was an Old Testament god whom the Hebrews worshipped from time to time, and to whom they sacrificed their children. The Babylonian Talmud, however, still permits Jews to sacrifice children to Moloch — under certain conditions.
The Moloch Prohibition

With these precedents in mind, let us now look at two passages from the Old Testament concerning child sacrifice to the idol Moloch (or "Molech"). In the following passages, the words "seed" and "children" are synonymous. First, from Leviticus 18:

King James Version

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

— Leviticus 18:21 (KJV)

English Standard Version

You shall not give any of your children to offer them (1) to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.

— Leviticus 18:21 (ESV)

An ESV footnote gives a literal t***slation of the original Hebrew phrase: "1. Hebrew to make them pass through [the fire]." Now let's look at Second Kings 23:

King James Version

And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.

— 2 Kings 23:10 (KJV)

English Standard Version

And he defiled Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, that no one might burn his son or his daughter as an offering to Molech. (1)

— 2 Kings 23:10 (ESV)

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Now let's look at the relevant cite from the Babylonian Talmud.

(When excerpting the Talmud, we sometimes omit footnotes and non-germane text. The omission of text is indicated by an ellipsis […]. The full text and footnotes may be found by following the hot link at the end of the excerpt. It is our pleasure to make available the text of the complete tractates cited in this article, so you may read the Talmud in full context.)

MISHNAH. HE WHO GIVES OF HIS SEED TO MOLECH INCURS NO PUNISHMENT UNLESS HE DELIVERS IT TO MOLECH AND CAUSES IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE. IF HE GAVE IT TO MOLECH BUT DID NOT CAUSE IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE, OR THE REVERSE, HE INCURS NO PENALTY, UNLESS HE DOES BOTH.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 64a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 437

Following the Mishnah is a discussion among the sages. One of the Talmud Sages, Rabbi Ashi, comments as follows:

GEMARA. R. Ashi propounded: What if one caused his blind or sleeping son to pass through, (3) or if he caused his grandson by his son or daughter to pass through? — One at least of these you may solve. For it has been taught: [Any men … that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall he put to death … And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people;] because he hath given of his seed unto Molech. Why is this stated? — Because it is said, there shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire. From this I know it only of his son or daughter. Whence do I know that it applies to his son's son or daughter's son too? From the verse, [And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man] when he giveth of his seed unto Molech [and k**l him not: Then I will … cut him off.]

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 64b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 439

Rabbi Dr. Freedman, one of the t***slators of the Soncino Tractate Sanhedrin, clarifies the passage. In a footnote, Rabbi Dr. Freedman confirms that the Talmud Sages use "seed" to denote living children, in the same sense as the Biblical t***slators understand the term in the above Biblical quotes. In this footnote, Rabbi Dr. Freedman paraphrases the question from Rabbi Ashi:

Is 'thou shalt not cause to pass' applicable only to a son who can naturally pass through himself, but not to a blind or sleeping son, who must be led or carried, or does it apply to all?

— Rabbi Dr. Freedman

Other footnotes within the same context clarify the fine point of distinction being drawn in the Mishnah and subsequent debates among the sages:

Lev. XVIII, 21. This proves that the offense consists of two parts; (i) formal delivery to the priests, and (ii) causing the seed to pass through the fire.

— Rabbi Dr. Freedman (2)

As two separate offenses, proving that giving one's seed to Molech is not idolatry. The differences [sic] is, that if one sacrificed to Molech, or caused his son to pass through the fire to some other deity, he is not punished.

— Rabbi Dr. Freedman (3)

Repudiating the Talmud doctrines that approve of ritually sacrificing children (under certain conditions) would go a long way to creating good will between Judaism and people of other religious faiths. Christians and Muslims, too, should reexamine the Old Testament Scriptures. Is this really the church/mosque they want their children attending?....

Thank you for your consideration of the above,
Carol A. Valentine, Ear at come-and-hear dot com
July 14, 2003 ( This article is on line at http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/br_3.html )

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

This is not correct.

The discussion in Sanhedrin 64a is about physical drives.... sexual desire. Is it positive or negative, can you remove the drive because it is bad? The question wrapped all sexual desire, to include incest. The pros and cons are examined and in the end, the Rabbe declares, you can not remove (outlaw) all the sexual drive because there are two manifestation, both for good and bad. 64b is an argument or discussion about idol worship, can one go through the ritual and still be innocent of idol worship. After much discussion the Rabbe declare; anyone who worships idols or Canaanite gods regardless of what one calls that idol "he will be cut off from this world and the next." You have implied by silence, that you read and write Hebrew... this is a link to the text in Hebrew... read it all the way to the end. http://www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Sanhedrin.64b.7?lang=en. For those who do not read Hebrew, you can go to http://www.yutorah.org/daf.cfm/6026/sanhedrin/64/a/ It is long.. stick with it, it is worth your time.

solarkin

The primary problem with interpreting ancient history is accuracy.
After so many generations,the language and meaning is obscured.
I f you want to listen to the Old ones, our ancestors. Listen to your dreams.
Stop trying to hear what the rocks say.
Rocks don't speak.
Spirits will, if you listen.

sweetlips

if people really knew what was in the talmud, they might see it was closer to islam than to the christians

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I have a question for you... why do you care what is or is not in the Talmud? Are you somehow bound by the rulings or findings in this book? In other words, do you take the time to study the laws of Russia? How about France? Even Mexico? Are you bound by the laws of these countries? Even if you agree with them, do they change the laws of your church? Town? State? Country? How does the Talmud change your rights?

I have spent hours defending your rights as a Christian to believe what you are inclined to believe. I will always defend your rights, even if your belief is different than mine. You post and promote half t***hs about discussions that took place some 2,600 years ago and say "look, the Jew did this or that." In the New Testament, there is a lesson for all of us to learn... Matthew 7 3-5; " 3. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

I can see you rolling your eyes and hear your groan of anguish. So, let me remind you that Christianity has had its "history." Let us start with early Christians. Their rituals and beliefs were strikingly similar to Pagans.

Early Christians celebrated the birth of Jesus on 6 Jan.... guess what, this was the assigned birthdate of Egypt's god-man, Aion. And later, Christians changed this date... and so did the Pagans to 25 December.

J***6, was originally the festival in which the followers of Mithra celebrated the visit of the Magi to their newborn god-man. Christians... say that the Magi traveled to the newborn "Savior" on J** 6.

According to history, Christians say that Christ died on 23 Mar and resurrected on the 25th... Well, so it is said that Attis died on 23 Mar and resurrected on the 25th.

Christians say that Christ was crucified between two thieves... one asked for and received forgiveness, so one went to heaven and the other to hell. In the Mithras mysteries, a common image showed Mithras flanked by two torchbearers, one on either side. One held a torch pointed upwards, the other downwards. This symbolized ascent to heaven or descent to hell.

And while on this, In Attis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform. The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform. The believer was then considered to have been "born again." Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb. Sound familiar? There is a Christian song that goes like this:

"Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

Baptism is and has always been the center of your rituals; washing away the person's sins.... you dip people in pools of water or sprinkle their heads. Well, the same initiation was found in Mirthraism. In early days, the Christian entered the pool of water naked and afterward put on white gowns, they carried candles as they were now "a light for the world"... would it shock you to know that so did those indoctrinated into Mithraism, they were baptized naked, put on white clothing and a crown, and walked in a procession to their temple carrying torches.

Christians of old and in some churches still believe, speaking in tongues. At Trophonius and Delos, the Pagan priestesses also spoke in tongues: They appeared to speak in such a way that each person present heard her words in the observer's own language.

And then there is the meal of bread and wine, symbolizing body and blood. An inscription to Mithras reads: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation." Does this sound familiar? It should, Matthew chapter 26. Here is the difference, Mithra never k**led a Christian for this practice, but Christians k**led many Mithraisms claiming cannibalism.


Followers of both religions celebrated a ritual meal involving bread. It was called a missa in Latin or mass in English.

Both the Catholic church and Mithraism had a total of seven sacraments.

So... using your way of thinking I could say that Christians are Pagans.


Are you offended yet? But.... I do not think Christians are Pagan, I think these points of similarity are coincidental. There are many cases in comparative religion where similar beliefs or practices are seen in two unrelated religions.

Last... you claim that Judaism is close to Islam.... you do realize that this is the same excuse the Roman Catholics used for the Crusades... Roman Catholic church taught that going to war against the "Infidels" was an act of Christian penance. If a believer was k**led during a crusade, he would bypass purgatory, and be taken directly to heaven. By eliminating what might be many millennia of torture in Purgatory, many Christians were strongly motivated to volunteer for the crusades. "After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church." Does this sound close to what is in the Quran?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

No time for you today Penny; I am signing off.
IMO - You are a victim of the spirit you were born to. Why; I do not know. but that is correctable. You have to submit to the Holy Spirit. With your education and history to reflect on; I would think you would figure out the Messiah arrived already. Christians are waiting for His second coming, and hopefully prepared.
Those you align with, give away your positions;
The NWO
The Banking Cabal
The Talmudic teachings?
Satanists?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

A second opinion on your posts,Penny;
For others to consider.

They can't understand it without the Holy Spirit. The NT itself and the Father Himself says that these things of the Spirit are as foolishness and incomprehensible to them. I think Proverbs also says this somewhere and to not cast your pearls before swine, but study and look it up and quote it before replying or writing that she-ass again. Several things she misquotes or distorts. Also she is not your brother or sister of you, so she has no right and does not qualify to be quoting that mote vs beam scripture on you, and it is exclusively for fellow saints and believers only. Unmitigated gall or chutzpah, arrogance and p***e like Jew Khazars have, they think they are smarter, better, and more intelligent and superior to the rest of us "goys" or "animals" per their Talmud doctrine, but p***e cometh before the fall. Also, her first question, "I have a question for you... why do you care what is or is not in the Talmud?", she asks, which I think, is frivolous and is definitely asked in a frivolous way. The answer of course is to expose its evil and deceit and its treachery to the unwary, the innocent and the sheep, and innocent lambs of YHWH. It is also dishonest because you have answered that question and explained many times before to her why you do it, she already knows the answer, to educate others, the unwary and the innocent about the dangers and evil and treachery of the Talmud. You'll scorch her and burn her but real good when you tell her all this.

Holy Serpent of the Khazarian Mafia

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/30/holy-serpent-of-the-khazarian-mafia/

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Holy Serpent of the Khazarian Mafia
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/30/holy-serpent-of-the-khazarian-mafia/

An excerpt;
"Alexis: I am glad that you are approaching this issue not from a metaphysically racial basis but from the point of view of Rabbinic Judaism itself. Rabbinic Judaism, as we all know, provides the foundation for the state of Israel itself and indeed for the political ideology of movements such as Neoconservatism. This has been documented in numerous scholarly studies.[1]

So, we both agree that Rabbinic Judaism is a wicked ideology, and the “Jewish Utopia,”[2] as you put it, inexorably flows from that ideology. Other people over the centuries have talked about this “Jewish Utopia” in one way or another.

In a speech delivered at the B’nai B’rith in 1902, Solomon Ehrmann, a Viennese Jew, envisioned a future in which “all of mankind will have been jewified and joined in union with the B’nai B’rith.” When that happens, “not only the B’nai B’rith but all of Judaism will have fulfilled its task.”[3] According to historian Albert S. Lindemann of the University of California, for Ehrmann, “Jewification equaled enlightenment.”[4]

In similar vein, Baruch Levy, one of Karl Marx’s correspondents, declared that

“The Jewish people taken collectively shall be its own Messias…In this new organization of humanity, the sons of Israel now scattered over the whole surface of the globe…shall everywhere become the ruling element without opposition…

“The government of the nations forming the Universal or World-Republic shall all thus pass, without any effort, into Jewish hands thanks to the victory of the proletariat….Thus shall the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, that, when the Messianic epoch shall have arrived, the Jews will control the wealth of all the nations of the earth.”[5]

That’s obviously what the Rothschilds and Goldman Sachs are doing. They are ripping people off through usury and covert activity. In fact, Goldman Sachs executive director and head of the firm’s United States equity derivatives business in Europe, the Middle East and Africa, Greg Smith, left Goldman Sachs for this very reason. Smith wrote of the company:

“What are three quick ways to become a leader? a) Execute on the firm’s ‘axes,’ which is Goldman-speak for persuading your clients to invest in the stocks or other products that we are trying to get rid of because they are not seen as having a lot of potential profit. b) ‘Hunt Elephants.’ In English: get your clients — some of whom are sophisticated, and some of whom aren’t — to trade wh**ever will bring the biggest profit to Goldman. Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t like selling my clients a product that is wrong for them. c) Find yourself sitting in a seat where your job is to trade any illiquid, opaque product with a three-letter acronym.

“Today, many of these leaders display a Goldman Sachs culture quotient of exactly zero percent. I attend derivatives sales meetings where not one single minute is spent asking questions about how we can help clients. It’s purely about how we can make the most possible money off of them. If you were an alien from Mars and sat in on one of these meetings, you would believe that a client’s success or progress was not part of the thought process at all.

“It makes me ill how callously people talk about ripping their clients off. Over the last 12 months I have seen five different managing directors refer to their own clients as ‘muppets,’ sometimes over internal e-mail…. the most common question I get from junior analysts about derivatives is, ‘How much money did we make off the client?’ It bothers me every time I hear it, because it is a clear reflection of what they are observing from their leaders about the way they should behave.”[6]....

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Copied bull? H**e site? No. These are t***hful quotes from the Talmud. They relate to the evil, deceit and treachery you espouse precisely because you do not understand the things of the Spirit due to your lack of infilling and indwelling of the Holy Spirit. True Spirit-filled Christians who read this will understand this principle, it's in Yah's word, but no one like you will understand, and Yah says so, not me, I just cited the Scripture on you, that's all. I don't "thump your bible" but I quote t***h from the Bible of Yah's word which you reject such as the Scripture about base natural "in the flesh" non-spiritual people and infidels like yourself having no ability to understanding the deeper things of the Spirit in the Bible. I didn't say that non-Christians, such as yourself, had no ability to understand anything at all of the Bible, otherwise no one would ever attain to the BASIC[emphasis] fundamental Salvation it offers, which you sorely need. What I said was that base natural "in the flesh" non-spiritual people and infidels like yourself, and even nominal non-Holy Spirit-filled Christians until they receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, possess no ability to discerning and understanding the DEEPER[emphasis] things OF THE SPIRIT[emphasis] in the Bible and it is foolishness to them, and to you too Penny, a BIG[emphasis] difference. And then you distort and misrepresent or otherwise deliberately conflate my words such as this, attempt to divert from this most vital point to cowardly shield and hide yourself with your voluminous BS about unrelated rambling topics and frivolous questions. And then you mock and ridicule Yah and His word when I cite them, these Scriptures, to you for ministry to you and for your edification. So you show that by your own fruits, which Yahshua says we are to judge, "by their fruits shall ye know them", that you are the one who is a h**er, stupid, a defiler of the Bible, abominable and contemptible and ignorant and detestable by Yahweh, and that needs to look in the mirror, for you are describing yourself perfectly in your latest response below. Everybody who reads and has understanding of the deeper things of the Spirit, real spiritually discerned Christians, that is, can see your true self and soul Penny and it is deep dark black, tainted and lost. Regardless of whether they say anything about it or not. You need Yahshua and real fast or you're a goner. And that's the T***h and no lie.

solarkin

What lies in our hearts casts the die for tomorrow.
No Book or Tome
can usurp
a grandfathers tale.
Tomorrow becomes what we dream of .
How long will it be before these lessons are heard?