jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

This morning's Green Bay Press Gazette had a guest column from a writer for National Review and a member of USA Today's Board of Contributors titled "Obamacare hits young adults hard." I wish I could reference the whole column, which provides specific to-the-point examples & figures of higher insurance costs to younger adults from Obamacare's being structured to have young healthy adults subsidize older adults' medical care. No space for that here--suffice to say it's thorough and factual, written from the viewpoint of the writer just turned 26. I won't give the writer's name because the quote from the end of the column which I will quote might be obnoxious to some and give her a bad name.

The writer concluded her column thus: "If young adults choose to voluntarily to give their hard-earned money to their elders--whether grandparents, neighbors or friends--to help with medical costs, that's their perogative. But it should be their choice, not another burden forced on them by the boomers and their ilk."

My first reaction was, I'm glad this young lady isn't my daughter or granddaughter. My second reaction was, Gee, she sounds like the old hard school thinking of OldRoy, OldSchool and their ilk in this forum--a young generation version of them. My third reaction was, I've gotta post this. This young generation hard school viewpoint would probably extend to the Medicare tax where the working young are forced to pay for elders' medical care. What do you have to say about this, you elderly baby boomers and your ilk, who are so forcefully burdening this young lady's generation with your medical expenses?

Blue Flu Loc: HHI

Huh, no mention of financially supporting tens of millions of 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation welfare recipients? What about the 10's of millions of i*****l a***ns and their children overburdening the PS system and other Government services? Did she mention that Congress finds the money to do the above, in part, by raiding the SS funds?
Looks like a typical liberal narrow minded opinion to me...
unbalanced by being one sided.
On 2nd thought , she couldn't offer a balanced opinion without being labeled as a r****t. Kudos for her politically correctness.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

I feel for them and the legacy we are leaving them. Our government has stolen SS and Medicare from our pay checks for most of us since we were 16 years old (I'm now 50). These are not entitlements, we the people have given it to the government in good faith and that at least a portion of it would be returned to us some day.

Obama care was sold to us as a way to help individuals take advantage of spreading the risk through a large group thus bring down the average families yearly medical expenses by $2500.

This of course was a lie, it like all other forms of wealth distribution will do nothing but steal our children's future.

I wish I could say it's all the governments fault that they are the ones who have been lying and stealing from all of us but we have no one but ourselves to blame.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

You are so so two-sided yourself, Blue Flu. What kinda flu bug made you so blue and yourself so narrow minded? 10s of millions, indeed. You can't even count.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Too bad you did not include the link to the information you indicated in your post.

It would seem that the Baby Boomers have damned themselves for the way we raised our children -- putting themselves above all others and all else. We taught them to be unkind, to be the new "Generation Me." Generation Me has never known a world that put duty before self, and believes that the needs of the individual should come first. This is not the same thing as being selfish – it is captured, instead, in the phrases we so often hear: "Be yourself," "Believe in yourself," "You must love yourself before you can love someone else." These are some of our culture's most deeply entrenched beliefs, and Generation Me has grown up hearing them whispered in their ears like the subliminally conditioned children in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

Sad t***h, the Generation Me could care less about their parents or others, the only time they think about the needs of the elderly is when they look at what they consider an inconvenience to themselves, such as Obamacare where they think they are paying for the health of the aged. Indeed, they resent retired individuals because they think they are supporting the aged by their taxes paid into Social Security. Many of those Generation Me people do not understand Social Security and how it works, they only see that they are paying into a program that as they think as antiquated.

But, I must give them a bright side to think about. An average person lives about 27, 375 days. Most people who are 65 only have 3,650 days remaining in their life bank. And on the darker side, those 3.4 million grandparents who are raising their grandchildren will die and the Generation Me will once again be shackled with raising their own kids.

For those interested in the original article: http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20131112/GPG0706/311120452/Katrina-Trinko-column-Obamacare-hits-young-adults-hard

Blue Flu Loc: HHI

Just the kind of response I'd expect from someone who spent most of their life in academia. An educated i***t w/o a lick of common sense.
Did it ever occur to you that you and your idol, Barry Soetoro, have the same convoluted view of reality?

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

It's your liberal school system and liberal parents who taught these kids! It's YOUR liberal system a**hole...live with it. I'm proud to say that my kids don't think that way.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

It is my understanding that "elder's" continue to pay into the Medicare system through deductions from their Social Security checks.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

I'm too old to be called a baby boomer, but in answer to your question, I will point out that it is not the boomers who are "so forcefully burdening" the younger generation.

Iy is the slimeball politicians like Obama and his henchmen, and the politicians who have stolen and squandered the medicare tax as soon as it was collected, who are the culprits.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Maybe it was sold to you and some others, but the great majority had it forced on them. They did not "buy" it.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

You are correct. Employees and employers have been forced to pay into medicare and SS, and those on medicare now pay $104.70 per month (increased every year) for part B. They are also required to pay 20% copay for each medical service they receive. The $104.70 and 20% copay doesn't sound like much until you stop to remember that the medicare recipients paid into the system for an average of forty years before being eligible for anything under medicare.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

There are tens of millions of i******s in the U.S.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Do let me provide you the perfect example of the "Generation Me".

We have acquaintance with a family whose mother has two grandchildren who live within five miles of their grandmother. The family lives two hours from the mother. It is they; however, who are VERY frequently on the highway going to take the lady to the doctor (she does not drive) and take care of other needs. The grandchildren visit on Mother's Day and have the family over on Christmas. Twice a year is all they can manage, because they are SO busy. By the way, it was their grandmother who always went with the parents to every single event, sports, recitals, school trips, etc. It was the grandmother who subsidized them when they overspent their allowance.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Thank you, GinnyT, for the link to the article. I'm not computer knowledgeable enough to find the link, much less post it. I can barely find my way to eBay & around it for my collecting Victorian children art paper. ha. Ms. Trinko is very impressively specific in her info but, as you note, very Generation Me. My daughters, about a decade older fortunately aren't Generation Me in viewpoint, though I hear one complain about takers. She's so busied and sensitive, I can't scold her--much easier to scold on internet. ha. Generation Me, in their defense, are (1) spoiled in expectations, (2) limited in opportunities, and (3) feel increasingly lost in an increasingly big and incomprehensible world. I fear for some of my grandchildren finding a degree of security and meaning in their lives. Not the fault of politicians, just life's situations are more and more huge and complicated. In some ways there's so much and so wonderful compared to 70 years ago and in another way there's so much junk it's difficult to grab onto what has worth in it all. Guess that just proves how old I am. ha.

And thank you for what I consider the most instructive response possible to my posted subject!

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

You exaggerate the numbers. Estimates are 11 million Latin American immigrants without documentation. The number of other-region immigrants without documentation I have no idea, but not in tens of millions. We have a sizable Hmong immigrant population here in Green Bay (all legal, by the way, and most by now 2nd & 3rd generation and they are a positive and contributing part of the community. I worked with four Hmong at the Wausau area U.S. Postal Service processing center for 5 years, and they were the hardest working and nicest workers there. You do not understand what these immigrants contribute to America. One important geopolitical consideration regarding our Latin American fellow Americans (that's what they are now unless we round up these 11M Mexican i******s and ship them back and have our economy collapse in the process) is that they become our link to Latin America, which is still coming out of crisis & some tendency to anti-Americanism. Our European, our Asian, our African, our Latin American parts prove in personal connections what America is to these parts of the larger world. It is how the world sees we are them and they can become like us. These ties are important within America itself and they are also important to the future of the rest of the world and to the future of civilization. Yes, we will have to devise workable control and regulatation of further immigration (we can't take in the whole world) but we need to look at the real situation we are in and be thankful it happened & has done so much already for us and will contribute more.