Glaucon

I am asking everyone who reads this thread to do me a very big favor: If you consider yourself a conservative, please tell me three important values conservatives hold and if your consider yourself a liberal, please tell me three important values that liberals hold.

Your responses will be data for a study the results of which I will post on OPP.

Thanks for your help.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Limited government
Personal responsibility
Government accountable to the people

Kevyn

The conservitive platform is built on three legs. Fear of the unknown, h**e of the unfamiliar and raw selfish greed. Liberals believe in freedom for all, education and the lifelong pursuit of knowledge and Finaly the recognition that we can make the world a better place.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Very good, Kevyn! One intelligent conservative gives a serious and succinct reply, and then a typical liberal runs the usual l*****t bulls**t.

Do the liberals really believe in FREEDOM? How about the freedom to own and bear arms? How about the freedom of speech, especially about things like the global c*****e c****e h**x? How about the freedom from excessive taxation?

Do liberals really believe in education? Or do they want schools of l*****t/socialist indoctrination. If education is so important, why do the l*****t/socialists h**e magnate schools, which have improved academic achievement, diverse student enrollments, reduced discipline problems, increased cultural competence of students, increased student attendance rates, higher graduation rates, greater teacher satisfaction and reduced teacher turn-over?

The liberal idea of making the world a better place to live is the world being controlled by a massively big government, everyone living in ghettos, and most of the population being poor and living on government welfare. At least that's the way most big cities with a long history of Democratic party politicians are set up.

Glaucon

Thanks for your response. I will get back to you.

Glaucon

Kevyn,

Thanks for your response.

Glaucon

Trooper, would you give me three values that are high ranked for conservatives ( I am guessing from your comments that you consider yourself a conservative and correct me if I am wrong about that.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Your study will be flawed, as it's base assumption is flawed. The theory that basic human values differs between ideologies is flawed, as the basic human needs are the same, regardless of ideology, race, religion, or any other artificial category.

When we relearn that fundamental t***h, we'll begin to heal the country by ending the ridiculous ideological and artificial divides.

PeterS

Liberal: believe in rationalism with liberty and e******y for the population. In terms of government it should be responsive to the needs of the people...

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

To be totally honest, I can't top what Super Dave wrote. Those are certainly among the top ideals of conservatives. If I had to give three they would be; get the federal government completely out of healthcare, education and welfare.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

You had to go and vomit a bucket full of h**e, didn't you.. You just couldn't stand it if you didn't spew out a few hypocritical lies and false stereotypes, could you?

First off.. Liberals H**e freedom.
They look at the 1st Amendment and see a government's right to stop people from expressing their religious beliefs, and believe that they can determine who gets to be considered part of the 'press'.
They look at the 2nd Amendment and don't see a right to bear arms.
They look at the 9th and 10th Amendment and don't see anything at all.

2nd... Liberals do not value education
Every time there is a conflict between children's education and the teachers unions, they always (always) always side with the teachers unions.

3rd... Liberals do not want the world to be a better place.
Liberals fully support Iran getting not only nuclear weapons, but plenty of money to promote terrorism while they build their nukes.
Liberals fully supported Obama allowing ISIS to go from JV to domination of many ME areas that American allies used to control.
Liberals support allowing Putin to spread his evil dominance over eastern Europe.

Glaucon

I haven't stated my "base assumption, so I don't think anyone can rule it as flawed without knowing what it is.

If I understand you correctly, you don't believe basic human values differ between self identified conservatives and liberals. I think the differences in basic values is what separate liberals and conservatives. Perhaps our difference here may be due to our having different definitions of values. For example, Conservatives are seen by many as putting a higher value on the right to private property and liberals on the right to equal opportunity.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Now that was a damn fine argument. Cogent, thoughtful, and without any BS.

I would say that most liberals I've observed seem to value equal outcome more than equal opportunity.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

How do you make the world a better place by making the people dependant on others to survive?
Kinda like feeding wild animals. If you feed them every day, they quit hunting for themselves.

Glaucon

Humans are all dependent on each other a whole lot more than you could understand. Humans are not wild animals. If you are limited by black-white "thinking," You would be able to understand that we don't want people to be too dependent or unaware of how dependent they are. If you are as literate as you sound, you know about Goldilocks.