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Jun 21, 2016 05:09:37   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
107,602,707,791

This is the number of people that are claimed to have ever lived if you Google the question: over 107.6 billion. Except for Adam, Eve and Jesus, all were conceived by a male sperm and a female ovum.

0 is the number of people who were conceived through homosexuality.

The term "equal" is a mathematical term that means quantitatively and qualitatively the same. 107.6 billion to 0 can hardly be considered "equal."

In light of this biological fact, then, how can a gay relationship possibly be considered "equal" to a "straight" heterosexual relationship?

Now let's consider impact. If every human became totally homosexual overnight, the human specie would become extinct in a single generation. So gay sex is DEstructive whereas straight sex is PROductive. Heterosexuality is the vehicle that produces life and thus enables the continuation of life; whereas homosexuality ends the cycle of life. Again, no e******y here.

How then can 107.6 billion be equal to zero (0)? Answer: only by denying biological facts and replacing them with feelings or "beliefs".

People who believe in concepts without having observable facts to "prove" them are typically called Faith based, or "religious". People who believe in things contrary to irrefutable evidence are simply called delusional: they are fooling themselves.

107,602,707,791 to 0 is quite simply an irrefutable ine******y. Practically speaking, anyone who would deny such overwhelming evidence should be considered delusional. But for the sake of discussion, let's give those who deny this fact the benefit of the doubt and call the idea that gays are equal to straights a "religious" or faith based "belief."

We Americans have a great deal of experience, precedence and policy in dealing with situations of religious tolerance. The problem, then, is in properly identifying and thus categorizing the "enemy." We see this happening with our current prez who can't bring himself to call "radical Muslim terrorists" what they are, and by doing so fails, by design, to address and deal appropriately with those enemies as such. That is why it is important for us to call the "gay e******y" movement what it is: a non-fact based religion, or ideology. As a religion, we know exactly how to deal with it in America.

Ironically, homosexuality apparently disproves evolution. (I say apparently because I hold no claim to being an expert on evolution, but I do have a brain). If evolution were true, then natural se******n would tend to genetically stifle homosexuality since homosexuality certainly disadvantages procreation rather than advantages it. This provides us with another reason to claim that homosexual tendencies are mental or spiritual (thus faith based) rather than biological!

For these reasons we need to deal with homosexuality as a practice of a humanistic-based religion rather than a scientifically-proven, biologically equal relationship with straight ones.

Now, in America, we are blessed with a Constitution, given to us by a group of highly educated and very religious, God-centered men, that guarantees us the liberty to practice "religion" without fear of the government infringing upon our beliefs.

For this reason, I have no problem accepting gays as fellow Americans even though they hold a different belief system (religion) than I. I do not in any way expect gays to confess my Christian religion to be true in order for me to consider them real Americans.

The God-centered men who gave the world the concept of religious freedom did not see this form of government as being freedom FROM exposure to other's convictions, but rather as acknowledging the God-given right of everyone to PRACTICE their (or you yours, or me, my) religion WITHOUT fear of reprisal for the same. Furthermore it was these same highly God-conscious men who gave the world the idea of freedom from governmental dictation of what you or I would be demanded to believe.

That, my friends, is the idea of "religious tolerance" in a nutshell. It is born from the highest form of respect for others: the idea that others have the right to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions, and even to live and act upon those convictions as long as they don't impose or infringe those ideas and conclusions on others. Some of us consider this type of tolerant "respect for others even when we disagree" to be an expression of brotherly love.

This, in another nutshell, is the essence of the "Great American Experiment."

There is an opposite to this idea. In yet another nutshell, that is when any one individual or group attempts to impose their ideology upon another. And that is called oppression and tyranny. Such actions are the fundamental "evil" that America was created specifically to combat and eliminate as much as humanly possible.

In this light, we can see that we have one group of people, certain gays and their humanistic sympathizers, who want to impose their biologically and socially destructive ideology on the rest of us by forcing us to accept their humanistic religion as "equal." They aren't asking us to simply tolerate them within our society, they want us to acknowledge them as equal or be faced with criminal prosecution to include heavy monetary fines.

Not only is such an imposition of one's religious beliefs upon other's against the law in America, it is so because it is highly oppressive and tyrannical. And it isn't just a certain group doing this among themselves, it is that they are attempting to make their religion the law of the land, which would be to destroy our religious liberty. This "movement" then, is an act of mental, legal and spiritual terrorism. These people only condone such tyranny because it is their religion that is being authorized; if it was their religion being made illegal, I am convinced they would be the biggest protestors, since they've already shown this is what they do.

In other words, when gays and liberals tell us that we can't express and live according to what we believe: that is mind-control plain and simple; and mind-control is one of the handful of most UNLOVING actions anyone can do to another.

So tell me why I should "love" homosexuals when they are so "unloving" to us as evidenced by their corporate desire for mind-control on the rest of us? I'll tell you why: because my religion (along with many others) Christianity, teaches and commands me to love even my enemies. But let me be clear about that: Gays aren't "my" enemies as in being my choice, rather, the God of the Christians is the enemy of gays, therefore they are our enemies by their choice; huge difference. We are not at all unaware of exactly what this battle is about.

Now, as Americans, why should we be legally compelled, let alone socially pressured, to legitimize homosexuality when their agenda isn't a mere wish for them to practice their own "belief-system" (which "right" they already have) but for us to adopt their beliefs as "equal" into our "world-view" especially when we see such practices as destructive to human society?

These are the issues that are at stake in the current debates regarding supposed gay rights in America. It is much deeper and sinister, but also basic, than most people think.

Personally, I'm very tired of intolerant bigoted liberal's imposing their religion on me let alone so falsely and hypocritically accusing Christians of being the intolerant ones! But that doesn't mean I've grown tired of tolerating them. I haven't and never will in this life. As an American, and most importantly as a Christian, I will continue to love them enough to allow them to have their beliefs and lifestyle, physically unimpeded by me, even though I hardly agree with it. And also, because I love them, I will still respect them enough to respectfully speak my position against their errors to them, without resorting to forcing my position upon their belief system like they are attempting against mine and those who believe like me.

This is why you won't see me, or other good Christians, going into a gay baker and demanding them to bake a Christian-values cake or I'll sue them, or anything even remotely like that. This is yet another sign of ine******y between us!

Which leads us to yet another of their "injustices."

In the after-math of recent events in Orlando, some gays and liberals have been claiming that Christians and conservatives have no right to claim to "stand with" gays in solidarity against radical Muslim terrorists while not being totally acceptant of "gay e******y." They don't think we can do that without being hypocritical and so they are outraged. But theirs isn't a true righteous indignation. In reality they are just proving, yet again, that they don't understand how this great "American Experiment" works.

They don't seem to understand that being "United" isn't the same as being "equal." Being "United" actually implies a "coming together" of "different" people (yet equal in their diversity). Think of Being "United" as more like harmony, as in an orchestra of different instruments. In the best music there is beautiful harmony, but only because all the diverse instruments are playing the same song, at the same tempo,etc.

In like manner, as an American, I have no problem being "united" with others of different religious views than mine...even with gays with whom I disagree with! Coexisting doesn't mean forcing each other to think and believe alike. We can coexist as long as we agree in playing the same song, and that tune being the fundamental principles of America's Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Those ideals become the glue that holds us together in unity and harmony. When those commonly held standards are agreed upon, we have the grounds, explicitly stated and mutually acknowledged, by which to establish and maintain our unity. When those agreed upon standards are ignored or negated, when your ideology sets out to negate mine, for example as in this case, it is then that our grounds for unity are also being ignored or negated.

This is why I feel no compulsion or responsibility to hold my part of unity with those who have no regard to our Constitution or Bill of Rights. It is they who are out of harmony, not I! I have no compulsion to maintain unity with radical Muslim terrorists who come to America to change the American experiment into submission to Sharia law. That goes for any one else who comes to America, with no intent to embrace the American experiment, but to either negate it, or simply take advantage of it. Furthermore, I have no compulsion or desire to be in unity with murderers, child molesters, thieves and the like, which is why I agree that our legal system has the authority and obligation to incarcerate such criminals and not rather, as they are now doing, selectively releasing them into society where they are to be given the same respect as any productive member of our "United" body. This is another area where liberal's are destroying the fabric of our culture, this time in the area of unity.

But that doesn't mean I don't "love" these other people, it simply means I don't condone those actions and cannot accept those deeds as acceptable or "equal" to normal citizen behavior. Thus I cannot "unite" with those types of actions, rather those deeds must be renounced.

In other words, I'm willing to be in unity as an American with others who hold different opinions than me, religious, political, sexual or otherwise, but that doesn't mean I have to tolerate or condone without protest people who seek to destroy the fundamental ideals and basis of this great American Experiment.

So no humanistic liberal can tell me that because I simply don't agree with homosexuality as being a lifestyle equal to heterosexuality that I don't "love" "gays", because, the t***h is, by that very "mind-controlling" type assertion they've shown they don't even understand what the practice of tolerant love really is and looks like! They just want to impose, by mind-control, their destructive beliefs on us, or they will have us sued or punished.

That is unamerican, unloving, oppressive and tyrannical, and yes, I/we will continue to speak out and reason against that kind of tyranny whether that hurts your feelings or not! That is how we distance ourselves from such hatred shown against us: by renouncing it! Because that is how we can disagree with gays and still assert we love them at the same time! That is a love that gays and liberals obviously know nothing about, or at least don't seem to understand or know how to practice.

On the other hand, if they DO understand tolerant love and consciously reject it, that makes matters even worse. That means they have made a conscious choice against the American ideal, which makes them enemies of it. And that explains why those of us who have watched Obama deeply resent his "fundamental change" of America. He does know and has consciously decided to reject and even to destroy this, our great American Experiment of Liberty and tolerance and replace it with his personal brand of tyranny.

Those who "get it" will understand.

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Jun 21, 2016 05:14:38   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
TommyRadd wrote:
107,602,707,791

This is the number of people that are claimed to have ever lived if you Google the question: over 107.6 billion. Except for Adam, Eve and Jesus, all were conceived by a male sperm and a female ovum.

0 is the number of people who were conceived through homosexuality.

The term "equal" is a mathematical term that means quantitatively and qualitatively the same. 107.6 billion to 0 can hardly be considered "equal."

In light of this biological fact, then, how can a gay relationship possibly be considered "equal" to a "straight" heterosexual relationship?

Now let's consider impact. If every human became totally homosexual overnight, the human specie would become extinct in a single generation. So gay sex is DEstructive whereas straight sex is PROductive. Heterosexuality is the vehicle that produces life and thus enables the continuation of life; whereas homosexuality ends the cycle of life. Again, no e******y here.

How then can 107.6 billion be equal to zero (0)? Answer: only by denying biological facts and replacing them with feelings or "beliefs".

People who believe in concepts without having observable facts to "prove" them are typically called Faith based, or "religious". People who believe in things contrary to irrefutable evidence are simply called delusional: they are fooling themselves.

107,602,707,791 to 0 is quite simply an irrefutable ine******y. Practically speaking, anyone who would deny such overwhelming evidence should be considered delusional. But for the sake of discussion, let's give those who deny this fact the benefit of the doubt and call the idea that gays are equal to straights a "religious" or faith based "belief."

We Americans have a great deal of experience, precedence and policy in dealing with situations of religious tolerance. The problem, then, is in properly identifying and thus categorizing the "enemy." We see this happening with our current prez who can't bring himself to call "radical Muslim terrorists" what they are, and by doing so fails, by design, to address and deal appropriately with those enemies as such. That is why it is important for us to call the "gay e******y" movement what it is: a non-fact based religion, or ideology. As a religion, we know exactly how to deal with it in America.

Ironically, homosexuality apparently disproves evolution. (I say apparently because I hold no claim to being an expert on evolution, but I do have a brain). If evolution were true, then natural se******n would tend to genetically stifle homosexuality since homosexuality certainly disadvantages procreation rather than advantages it. This provides us with another reason to claim that homosexual tendencies are mental or spiritual (thus faith based) rather than biological!

For these reasons we need to deal with homosexuality as a practice of a humanistic-based religion rather than a scientifically-proven, biologically equal relationship with straight ones.

Now, in America, we are blessed with a Constitution, given to us by a group of highly educated and very religious, God-centered men, that guarantees us the liberty to practice "religion" without fear of the government infringing upon our beliefs.

For this reason, I have no problem accepting gays as fellow Americans even though they hold a different belief system (religion) than I. I do not in any way expect gays to confess my Christian religion to be true in order for me to consider them real Americans.

The God-centered men who gave the world the concept of religious freedom did not see this form of government as being freedom FROM exposure to other's convictions, but rather as acknowledging the God-given right of everyone to PRACTICE their (or you yours, or me, my) religion WITHOUT fear of reprisal for the same. Furthermore it was these same highly God-conscious men who gave the world the idea of freedom from governmental dictation of what you or I would be demanded to believe.

That, my friends, is the idea of "religious tolerance" in a nutshell. It is born from the highest form of respect for others: the idea that others have the right to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions, and even to live and act upon those convictions as long as they don't impose or infringe those ideas and conclusions on others. Some of us consider this type of tolerant "respect for others even when we disagree" to be an expression of brotherly love.

This, in another nutshell, is the essence of the "Great American Experiment."

There is an opposite to this idea. In yet another nutshell, that is when any one individual or group attempts to impose their ideology upon another. And that is called oppression and tyranny. Such actions are the fundamental "evil" that America was created specifically to combat and eliminate as much as humanly possible.

In this light, we can see that we have one group of people, certain gays and their humanistic sympathizers, who want to impose their biologically and socially destructive ideology on the rest of us by forcing us to accept their humanistic religion as "equal." They aren't asking us to simply tolerate them within our society, they want us to acknowledge them as equal or be faced with criminal prosecution to include heavy monetary fines.

Not only is such an imposition of one's religious beliefs upon other's against the law in America, it is so because it is highly oppressive and tyrannical. And it isn't just a certain group doing this among themselves, it is that they are attempting to make their religion the law of the land, which would be to destroy our religious liberty. This "movement" then, is an act of mental, legal and spiritual terrorism. These people only condone such tyranny because it is their religion that is being authorized; if it was their religion being made illegal, I am convinced they would be the biggest protestors, since they've already shown this is what they do.

In other words, when gays and liberals tell us that we can't express and live according to what we believe: that is mind-control plain and simple; and mind-control is one of the handful of most UNLOVING actions anyone can do to another.

So tell me why I should "love" homosexuals when they are so "unloving" to us as evidenced by their corporate desire for mind-control on the rest of us? I'll tell you why: because my religion (along with many others) Christianity, teaches and commands me to love even my enemies. But let me be clear about that: Gays aren't "my" enemies as in being my choice, rather, the God of the Christians is the enemy of gays, therefore they are our enemies by their choice; huge difference. We are not at all unaware of exactly what this battle is about.

Now, as Americans, why should we be legally compelled, let alone socially pressured, to legitimize homosexuality when their agenda isn't a mere wish for them to practice their own "belief-system" (which "right" they already have) but for us to adopt their beliefs as "equal" into our "world-view" especially when we see such practices as destructive to human society?

These are the issues that are at stake in the current debates regarding supposed gay rights in America. It is much deeper and sinister, but also basic, than most people think.

Personally, I'm very tired of intolerant bigoted liberal's imposing their religion on me let alone so falsely and hypocritically accusing Christians of being the intolerant ones! But that doesn't mean I've grown tired of tolerating them. I haven't and never will in this life. As an American, and most importantly as a Christian, I will continue to love them enough to allow them to have their beliefs and lifestyle, physically unimpeded by me, even though I hardly agree with it. And also, because I love them, I will still respect them enough to respectfully speak my position against their errors to them, without resorting to forcing my position upon their belief system like they are attempting against mine and those who believe like me.

This is why you won't see me, or other good Christians, going into a gay baker and demanding them to bake a Christian-values cake or I'll sue them, or anything even remotely like that. This is yet another sign of ine******y between us!

Which leads us to yet another of their "injustices."

In the after-math of recent events in Orlando, some gays and liberals have been claiming that Christians and conservatives have no right to claim to "stand with" gays in solidarity against radical Muslim terrorists while not being totally acceptant of "gay e******y." They don't think we can do that without being hypocritical and so they are outraged. But theirs isn't a true righteous indignation. In reality they are just proving, yet again, that they don't understand how this great "American Experiment" works.

They don't seem to understand that being "United" isn't the same as being "equal." Being "United" actually implies a "coming together" of "different" people (yet equal in their diversity). Think of Being "United" as more like harmony, as in an orchestra of different instruments. In the best music there is beautiful harmony, but only because all the diverse instruments are playing the same song, at the same tempo,etc.

In like manner, as an American, I have no problem being "united" with others of different religious views than mine...even with gays with whom I disagree with! Coexisting doesn't mean forcing each other to think and believe alike. We can coexist as long as we agree in playing the same song, and that tune being the fundamental principles of America's Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Those ideals become the glue that holds us together in unity and harmony. When those commonly held standards are agreed upon, we have the grounds, explicitly stated and mutually acknowledged, by which to establish and maintain our unity. When those agreed upon standards are ignored or negated, when your ideology sets out to negate mine, for example as in this case, it is then that our grounds for unity are also being ignored or negated.

This is why I feel no compulsion or responsibility to hold my part of unity with those who have no regard to our Constitution or Bill of Rights. It is they who are out of harmony, not I! I have no compulsion to maintain unity with radical Muslim terrorists who come to America to change the American experiment into submission to Sharia law. That goes for any one else who comes to America, with no intent to embrace the American experiment, but to either negate it, or simply take advantage of it. Furthermore, I have no compulsion or desire to be in unity with murderers, child molesters, thieves and the like, which is why I agree that our legal system has the authority and obligation to incarcerate such criminals and not rather, as they are now doing, selectively releasing them into society where they are to be given the same respect as any productive member of our "United" body. This is another area where liberal's are destroying the fabric of our culture, this time in the area of unity.

But that doesn't mean I don't "love" these other people, it simply means I don't condone those actions and cannot accept those deeds as acceptable or "equal" to normal citizen behavior. Thus I cannot "unite" with those types of actions, rather those deeds must be renounced.

In other words, I'm willing to be in unity as an American with others who hold different opinions than me, religious, political, sexual or otherwise, but that doesn't mean I have to tolerate or condone without protest people who seek to destroy the fundamental ideals and basis of this great American Experiment.

So no humanistic liberal can tell me that because I simply don't agree with homosexuality as being a lifestyle equal to heterosexuality that I don't "love" "gays", because, the t***h is, by that very "mind-controlling" type assertion they've shown they don't even understand what the practice of tolerant love really is and looks like! They just want to impose, by mind-control, their destructive beliefs on us, or they will have us sued or punished.

That is unamerican, unloving, oppressive and tyrannical, and yes, I/we will continue to speak out and reason against that kind of tyranny whether that hurts your feelings or not! That is how we distance ourselves from such hatred shown against us: by renouncing it! Because that is how we can disagree with gays and still assert we love them at the same time! That is a love that gays and liberals obviously know nothing about, or at least don't seem to understand or know how to practice.

On the other hand, if they DO understand tolerant love and consciously reject it, that makes matters even worse. That means they have made a conscious choice against the American ideal, which makes them enemies of it. And that explains why those of us who have watched Obama deeply resent his "fundamental change" of America. He does know and has consciously decided to reject and even to destroy this, our great American Experiment of Liberty and tolerance and replace it with his personal brand of tyranny.

Those who "get it" will understand.
107,602,707,791 br br This is the number of peopl... (show quote)


This is easy for normal people to see and understand but liberals can't under any circumstances be considered normal.(they k**l babies).

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Jun 21, 2016 05:29:47   #
MarvinSussman
 
TommyRadd wrote:
107,602,707,791

This is the number of people that are claimed to have ever lived if you Google the question: over 107.6 billion. Except for Adam, Eve and Jesus, all were conceived by a male sperm and a female ovum.

0 is the number of people who were conceived through homosexuality.

The term "equal" is a mathematical term that means quantitatively and qualitatively the same. 107.6 billion to 0 can hardly be considered "equal."
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In light of this biological fact, then, how can a gay relationship possibly be considered "equal" to a "straight" heterosexual relationship?

Now let's consider impact. If every human became totally homosexual overnight, the human specie would become extinct in a single generation. So gay sex is DEstructive whereas straight sex is PROductive. Heterosexuality is the vehicle that produces life and thus enables the continuation of life; whereas homosexuality ends the cycle of life. Again, no e******y here.

How then can 107.6 billion be equal to zero (0)? Answer: only by denying biological facts and replacing them with feelings or "beliefs".

People who believe in concepts without having observable facts to "prove" them are typically called Faith based, or "religious". People who believe in things contrary to irrefutable evidence are simply called delusional: they are fooling themselves.

107,602,707,791 to 0 is quite simply an irrefutable ine******y. Practically speaking, anyone who would deny such overwhelming evidence should be considered delusional. But for the sake of discussion, let's give those who deny this fact the benefit of the doubt and call the idea that gays are equal to straights a "religious" or faith based "belief."

We Americans have a great deal of experience, precedence and policy in dealing with situations of religious tolerance. The problem, then, is in properly identifying and thus categorizing the "enemy." We see this happening with our current prez who can't bring himself to call "radical Muslim terrorists" what they are, and by doing so fails, by design, to address and deal appropriately with those enemies as such. That is why it is important for us to call the "gay e******y" movement what it is: a non-fact based religion, or ideology. As a religion, we know exactly how to deal with it in America.

Ironically, homosexuality apparently disproves evolution. (I say apparently because I hold no claim to being an expert on evolution, but I do have a brain). If evolution were true, then natural se******n would tend to genetically stifle homosexuality since homosexuality certainly disadvantages procreation rather than advantages it. This provides us with another reason to claim that homosexual tendencies are mental or spiritual (thus faith based) rather than biological!

For these reasons we need to deal with homosexuality as a practice of a humanistic-based religion rather than a scientifically-proven, biologically equal relationship with straight ones.

Now, in America, we are blessed with a Constitution, given to us by a group of highly educated and very religious, God-centered men, that guarantees us the liberty to practice "religion" without fear of the government infringing upon our beliefs.

For this reason, I have no problem accepting gays as fellow Americans even though they hold a different belief system (religion) than I. I do not in any way expect gays to confess my Christian religion to be true in order for me to consider them real Americans.

The God-centered men who gave the world the concept of religious freedom did not see this form of government as being freedom FROM exposure to other's convictions, but rather as acknowledging the God-given right of everyone to PRACTICE their (or you yours, or me, my) religion WITHOUT fear of reprisal for the same. Furthermore it was these same highly God-conscious men who gave the world the idea of freedom from governmental dictation of what you or I would be demanded to believe.

That, my friends, is the idea of "religious tolerance" in a nutshell. It is born from the highest form of respect for others: the idea that others have the right to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions, and even to live and act upon those convictions as long as they don't impose or infringe those ideas and conclusions on others. Some of us consider this type of tolerant "respect for others even when we disagree" to be an expression of brotherly love.

This, in another nutshell, is the essence of the "Great American Experiment."

There is an opposite to this idea. In yet another nutshell, that is when any one individual or group attempts to impose their ideology upon another. And that is called oppression and tyranny. Such actions are the fundamental "evil" that America was created specifically to combat and eliminate as much as humanly possible.

In this light, we can see that we have one group of people, certain gays and their humanistic sympathizers, who want to impose their biologically and socially destructive ideology on the rest of us by forcing us to accept their humanistic religion as "equal." They aren't asking us to simply tolerate them within our society, they want us to acknowledge them as equal or be faced with criminal prosecution to include heavy monetary fines.

Not only is such an imposition of one's religious beliefs upon other's against the law in America, it is so because it is highly oppressive and tyrannical. And it isn't just a certain group doing this among themselves, it is that they are attempting to make their religion the law of the land, which would be to destroy our religious liberty. This "movement" then, is an act of mental, legal and spiritual terrorism. These people only condone such tyranny because it is their religion that is being authorized; if it was their religion being made illegal, I am convinced they would be the biggest protestors, since they've already shown this is what they do.

In other words, when gays and liberals tell us that we can't express and live according to what we believe: that is mind-control plain and simple; and mind-control is one of the handful of most UNLOVING actions anyone can do to another.

So tell me why I should "love" homosexuals when they are so "unloving" to us as evidenced by their corporate desire for mind-control on the rest of us? I'll tell you why: because my religion (along with many others) Christianity, teaches and commands me to love even my enemies. But let me be clear about that: Gays aren't "my" enemies as in being my choice, rather, the God of the Christians is the enemy of gays, therefore they are our enemies by their choice; huge difference. We are not at all unaware of exactly what this battle is about.

Now, as Americans, why should we be legally compelled, let alone socially pressured, to legitimize homosexuality when their agenda isn't a mere wish for them to practice their own "belief-system" (which "right" they already have) but for us to adopt their beliefs as "equal" into our "world-view" especially when we see such practices as destructive to human society?

These are the issues that are at stake in the current debates regarding supposed gay rights in America. It is much deeper and sinister, but also basic, than most people think.

Personally, I'm very tired of intolerant bigoted liberal's imposing their religion on me let alone so falsely and hypocritically accusing Christians of being the intolerant ones! But that doesn't mean I've grown tired of tolerating them. I haven't and never will in this life. As an American, and most importantly as a Christian, I will continue to love them enough to allow them to have their beliefs and lifestyle, physically unimpeded by me, even though I hardly agree with it. And also, because I love them, I will still respect them enough to respectfully speak my position against their errors to them, without resorting to forcing my position upon their belief system like they are attempting against mine and those who believe like me.

This is why you won't see me, or other good Christians, going into a gay baker and demanding them to bake a Christian-values cake or I'll sue them, or anything even remotely like that. This is yet another sign of ine******y between us!

Which leads us to yet another of their "injustices."

In the after-math of recent events in Orlando, some gays and liberals have been claiming that Christians and conservatives have no right to claim to "stand with" gays in solidarity against radical Muslim terrorists while not being totally acceptant of "gay e******y." They don't think we can do that without being hypocritical and so they are outraged. But theirs isn't a true righteous indignation. In reality they are just proving, yet again, that they don't understand how this great "American Experiment" works.

They don't seem to understand that being "United" isn't the same as being "equal." Being "United" actually implies a "coming together" of "different" people (yet equal in their diversity). Think of Being "United" as more like harmony, as in an orchestra of different instruments. In the best music there is beautiful harmony, but only because all the diverse instruments are playing the same song, at the same tempo,etc.

In like manner, as an American, I have no problem being "united" with others of different religious views than mine...even with gays with whom I disagree with! Coexisting doesn't mean forcing each other to think and believe alike. We can coexist as long as we agree in playing the same song, and that tune being the fundamental principles of America's Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Those ideals become the glue that holds us together in unity and harmony. When those commonly held standards are agreed upon, we have the grounds, explicitly stated and mutually acknowledged, by which to establish and maintain our unity. When those agreed upon standards are ignored or negated, when your ideology sets out to negate mine, for example as in this case, it is then that our grounds for unity are also being ignored or negated.

This is why I feel no compulsion or responsibility to hold my part of unity with those who have no regard to our Constitution or Bill of Rights. It is they who are out of harmony, not I! I have no compulsion to maintain unity with radical Muslim terrorists who come to America to change the American experiment into submission to Sharia law. That goes for any one else who comes to America, with no intent to embrace the American experiment, but to either negate it, or simply take advantage of it. Furthermore, I have no compulsion or desire to be in unity with murderers, child molesters, thieves and the like, which is why I agree that our legal system has the authority and obligation to incarcerate such criminals and not rather, as they are now doing, selectively releasing them into society where they are to be given the same respect as any productive member of our "United" body. This is another area where liberal's are destroying the fabric of our culture, this time in the area of unity.

But that doesn't mean I don't "love" these other people, it simply means I don't condone those actions and cannot accept those deeds as acceptable or "equal" to normal citizen behavior. Thus I cannot "unite" with those types of actions, rather those deeds must be renounced.

In other words, I'm willing to be in unity as an American with others who hold different opinions than me, religious, political, sexual or otherwise, but that doesn't mean I have to tolerate or condone without protest people who seek to destroy the fundamental ideals and basis of this great American Experiment.

So no humanistic liberal can tell me that because I simply don't agree with homosexuality as being a lifestyle equal to heterosexuality that I don't "love" "gays", because, the t***h is, by that very "mind-controlling" type assertion they've shown they don't even understand what the practice of tolerant love really is and looks like! They just want to impose, by mind-control, their destructive beliefs on us, or they will have us sued or punished.

That is unamerican, unloving, oppressive and tyrannical, and yes, I/we will continue to speak out and reason against that kind of tyranny whether that hurts your feelings or not! That is how we distance ourselves from such hatred shown against us: by renouncing it! Because that is how we can disagree with gays and still assert we love them at the same time! That is a love that gays and liberals obviously know nothing about, or at least don't seem to understand or know how to practice.

On the other hand, if they DO understand tolerant love and consciously reject it, that makes matters even worse. That means they have made a conscious choice against the American ideal, which makes them enemies of it. And that explains why those of us who have watched Obama deeply resent his "fundamental change" of America. He does know and has consciously decided to reject and even to destroy this, our great American Experiment of Liberty and tolerance and replace it with his personal brand of tyranny.

Those who "get it" will understand.
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Why don't you just mind your own damn business?

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Jun 21, 2016 05:51:17   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Gays: what happened in Orlando, and the inability of the current administration to place the blame where it really lies, ought to tell you, is that the political elites, with their NWO agenda, are just playing you as pawns in their game of tyranny and oppression just as much as they are doing in playing Muslims as tools! This should make the elites our common political foe! Open your eyes!

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Jun 21, 2016 06:00:34   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Why don't you just mind your own damn business?


Thanks for proving my points.

You liberal's are such extreme hypocrites!

In answer to your question: Going into a Christian baker and demanding they bake a gay cake isn't minding ones own business. Making it illegal for me to not consider gay sexuality as unequal to straight sex is hardly minding ones own business. Making me accept that 107.6 billion to zero is actually equal is hardly minding ones own business. If libs and gays had been minding their own business we wouldn't be having this discussion and you wouldn't have had this opportunity to show off your ignorance and obstinance.

Hypocrite!

By the way, since America is a government of, by and for the people, that makes American government my business. So not only are you a hypocrite, but you are anti-American at heart!

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Jun 21, 2016 06:02:08   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Hemiman wrote:
This is easy for normal people to see and understand but liberals can't under any circumstances be considered normal.(they k**l babies).



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Jun 21, 2016 07:04:04   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Thanks for proving my points.

You liberal's are such extreme hypocrites!

In answer to your question: Going into a Christian baker and demanding they bake a gay cake isn't minding ones own business. Making it illegal for me to not consider gay sexuality as unequal to straight sex is hardly minding ones own business. Making me accept that 107.6 billion to zero is actually equal is hardly minding ones own business. If libs and gays had been minding their own business we wouldn't be having this discussion and you wouldn't have had this opportunity to show off your ignorance and obstinance.

Hypocrite!

By the way, since America is a government of, by and for the people, that makes American government my business. So not only are you a hypocrite, but you are anti-American at heart!
Thanks for proving my points. br br You liberal's... (show quote)


If The criminal Hillary Clinton get elected the U.S. Will look like EUROPE does today, then the lidertards will have something to cry about and cry they will.I suppose they will just make nice with the Muslims when they move in next to them.I wonder how they will handle it when their daughter or wife is raped by these peaceful and tolerant people,[hillary Clinton]

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Jun 21, 2016 07:18:28   #
PeterS
 
TommyRadd wrote:
107,602,707,791

This is the number of people that are claimed to have ever lived if you Google the question: over 107.6 billion. Except for Adam, Eve and Jesus, all were conceived by a male sperm and a female ovum.

0 is the number of people who were conceived through homosexuality.

The term "equal" is a mathematical term that means quantitatively and qualitatively the same. 107.6 billion to 0 can hardly be considered "equal."

In light of this biological fact, then, how can a gay relationship possibly be considered "equal" to a "straight" heterosexual relationship?

107,602,707,791 br br This is the number of peopl... (show quote)


You are making the assumption that all unions are for the purpose of reproduction. They aren't, instead there are unions that are made simply because the two people love each other--strange as that my seem to a Conservative Christian. And where the e******y comes in is that all people have the same right to pursue happiness and in fact Jefferson said this right came from non other than the power that created us--so it's a pretty hefty power that we are talking about. As for everyone turning gay it seems that the percentage of gays to straights is holding steady, unless of course a butt is looking better to you than a vagina. If that's the case than your count is plus one but I am pretty sure the rest of us are holding in there--still looking for pussy and ready to do our part!

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Jun 21, 2016 07:20:16   #
PeterS
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Gays: what happened in Orlando, and the inability of the current administration to place the blame where it really lies, ought to tell you, is that the political elites, with their NWO agenda, are just playing you as pawns in their game of tyranny and oppression just as much as they are doing in playing Muslims as tools! This should make the elites our common political foe! Open your eyes!

I thought the blame was placed on terrorism? Isn't someone who commits mass murder trying to terrorize those around him? It seems to work pretty well...

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Jun 21, 2016 07:24:46   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
TommyRadd wrote:
...Those who "get it" will understand.

I believe that God is already sending those who don't "a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false..." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 (ESV)

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Jun 21, 2016 07:27:29   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PeterS wrote:
You are making the assumption that all unions are for the purpose of reproduction. They aren't, instead there are unions that are made simply because the two people love each other--strange as that my seem to a Conservative Christian. And where the e******y comes in is that all people have the same right to pursue happiness and in fact Jefferson said this right came from non other than the power that created us--so it's a pretty hefty power that we are talking about. As for everyone turning gay it seems that the percentage of gays to straights is holding steady, unless of course a butt is looking better to you than a vagina. If that's the case than your count is plus one but I am pretty sure the rest of us are holding in there--still looking for pussy and ready to do our part!
You are making the assumption that all unions are ... (show quote)

Which face are you talking out of now? I've heard you say on more than one occasion, others included, that Jefferson didn't believe in "the power that created us."

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Jun 21, 2016 07:44:27   #
PeterS
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Thanks for proving my points.

You liberal's are such extreme hypocrites!

In answer to your question: Going into a Christian baker and demanding they bake a gay cake isn't minding ones own business. Making it illegal for me to not consider gay sexuality as unequal to straight sex is hardly minding ones own business. Making me accept that 107.6 billion to zero is actually equal is hardly minding ones own business. If libs and gays had been minding their own business we wouldn't be having this discussion and you wouldn't have had this opportunity to show off your ignorance and obstinance.

Hypocrite!

By the way, since America is a government of, by and for the people, that makes American government my business. So not only are you a hypocrite, but you are anti-American at heart!
Thanks for proving my points. br br You liberal's... (show quote)

Liberals are hypocrites? If ones business is getting a cake from someone who makes cakes than that it is minding ones own business. Does the baker make cakes? And did the baker hang out his sign for the purpose of getting people in so he can make cake for them? In this exchange it's customers responsibility to ask for a cake and it's the bakers responsibility to bake the cake being asked for. If the baker decides to do that for only certain types of people than that's called discrimination and in a nation where people's rights are equal to each other that becomes the business of everyone, especially the courts where the baker will wind up loosing everything they have--including their business--and rightly so.

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Jun 21, 2016 07:51:45   #
PeterS
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Which face are you talking out of now? I've heard you say on more than one occasion, others included, that Jefferson didn't believe in "the power that created us."

Oh I doubt that. Jefferson wasn't an Atheist but a Deist. He believed in god just not a god that interacted with his creation. And I am taking out of the same face as always but as usual you just hear what you want to hear and nothing else...

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Jun 21, 2016 07:52:24   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
PeterS wrote:
You are making the assumption that all unions are for the purpose of reproduction. They aren't, instead there are unions that are made simply because the two people love each other--strange as that my seem to a Conservative Christian. And where the e******y comes in is that all people have the same right to pursue happiness and in fact Jefferson said this right came from non other than the power that created us--so it's a pretty hefty power that we are talking about. As for everyone turning gay it seems that the percentage of gays to straights is holding steady, unless of course a butt is looking better to you than a vagina. If that's the case than your count is plus one but I am pretty sure the rest of us are holding in there--still looking for pussy and ready to do our part!
You are making the assumption that all unions are ... (show quote)


I haven’t made any such assumptions at all. Apparently the part of me pointing out that I have no problem allowing others to practice their own “belief system” went totally over your head.

What you have sidestepped is the issue that homosexuality is socially destructive and, in many ways, is simply no way equal to heterosexuality. Stating these facts doesn’t at all imply there can’t be any similarities. This is why your response is a non-sequitur…in other words; your reply is a diversion of the issues being presented which you can’t possible contend against rationally, so you choose to change the subject to attempt to regain some superiority. You failed.

Bottom line, like Hemiman pointed out, you liberals who k**l or even condone k*****g babies can’t possibly be expected to be able to think rationally anyway.

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Jun 21, 2016 07:53:43   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:
I believe that God is already sending those who don't "a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false..." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 (ESV)


I agree 100%!

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