Minimum wage, maximum mess in Oregon
Jun 18, 2016 19:05:57 #
tdsrnest wrote:
Ahhhhhh what the hell drop the GD min wage to $2.1... (show quote)
Do you really have to go to such ridiculous lengths? 2$ an hour!
Why continue the charade?
Jun 18, 2016 19:12:18 #
Out of High School got a $1.95hr making pizzas I was in tall cotton then. went in Marines made $395.00 month as a private. That really sucked Laundry bill for clean and starch just about ate that up. Kiwi made a fortune off me for spit and polish. Brasso was a few Penney's too.
Jun 18, 2016 19:31:26 #
jimahrens wrote:
Out of High School got a $1.95hr making pizzas I was in tall cotton then. went in Marines made $395.00 month as a private. That really sucked Laundry bill for clean and starch just about ate that up. Kiwi made a fortune off me for spit and polish. Brasso was a few Penney's too.
td likes to use emotion, association, absolutes and exaggerations to promote his point and vilify people who disagree with him, who are just good folks trying to use sense. It's pretty unscrupulous, I think. $2 an hour? Who's said that?
Jun 18, 2016 20:56:54 #
$1.95 you rich b***h I was making $1.65 and I went Navy. After boot went to the Philippines, houseboy did all the cleaning, washing, shinning even in Marine barracks, $30 a month. Even in those days I was planning!
jimahrens wrote:
Out of High School got a $1.95hr making pizzas I was in tall cotton then. went in Marines made $395.00 month as a private. That really sucked Laundry bill for clean and starch just about ate that up. Kiwi made a fortune off me for spit and polish. Brasso was a few Penney's too.
Jun 18, 2016 21:06:13 #
i spent some time in the Philippines too Olongapo where a pack of cigs get you laid. I was tad to a C131 squadron went there for beer runs.
Jun 18, 2016 21:44:03 #
Spent 18 months there, lived out near Subic City. Three of use rented a villa, live in maid, gardener and full time security for $350 a month. Got back state side, couldn't afford a one bedroom so it was back to barracks life.
jimahrens wrote:
i spent some time in the Philippines too Olongapo where a pack of cigs get you laid. I was tad to a C131 squadron went there for beer runs.
Jun 18, 2016 21:48:29 #
Jun 18, 2016 23:23:34 #
Not sure they were the good ole days but just days past. Many left the Viet Nam era very damaged and yet their treated like second class citizens.
jimahrens wrote:
But those were good days
Jun 18, 2016 23:32:29 #
Jun 19, 2016 14:16:56 #
"I LOVE IT!" Stupid is as stupid does! Estimated loss of 40,000 jobs (actual number of lost jobs probably higher since Democrats control this state government agency that does these estimations), decreases tremendously the amount of 'Unemployment Taxes' the state will take in, and causes a tremendous increase in 'Unemployment Payments' the state will have to pay out, causing the state budget to be unbalanced, requiring the state to raise taxes on the people who still have a job in order to pay for all the newly unemployed people caused by this law. Then the few people that are still employed who got these raises have caused the product their work is associated with to increase greatly, causing less sales because people can't afford the product any longer, causing more businesses to go bankrupt, and without the taxes they once paid the state, again unbalances the state's budget, again causing a raise in taxes, but this time on businesses, which will cause even another raise in cost of the product, which this will cause others needing raises to be able to pay for all the increases in products, and the vicious spiral continues at a much faster pace than had the state legislator just let the markets determine the wages by the supply and demand for labor, what a free market and free enterprise is all about.
When the government has the authority to tell private businesses what they can charge for their product, and what they must pay their workers, it is no longer a free market, but more of what the old USSR was, and is the reason why our economy is now failing like that of the old USSR. Ironic and quite a coincidence that Russia and China have switched their economies more toward free markets and have become tremendously more successful with their economies than they once were, while at the same time the Democrats are changing the USA's economy into a more socialist c*******tically controlled economy, and in doing so Obama and the Democrats have increased the national debt from $9.6 trillion when Obama became President, to a projection of well over $20 trillion by the end of Obama's last term as President, more than doubling the debt in just 8 years that took all our other Presidents added together to acquire in 232 years.
But that's not all that proves Obama and the Democrats are destroying our once great economy, for last month Obama's 'Bureau of Labor Statistics' (BLS) reported that we now have over 95 million unemployed American citizens of working age (16 years to 54 years of age) who have been dropped from the 'US Workforce' because they have been without a job for 52 weeks and longer, 15 million of those unemployed American citizens of working age dropped by Obama since he became President, in order to lower the 'US Unemployment Rate', because there are two ways to lower that rate, the first is to create new jobs for people to take, but if that fails, the second way is to drop unemployed people from the 'US Workforce', where they are no longer counted as unemployed, and the unemployment rate goes down because fewer unemployed people are being counted in the 'US Workforce'. And the BLS also stated that they are still counting over 8 million unemployed American citizens of working age in the 'US Workforce' because they haven't been without a job for 52 weeks as of yet, and when added to those unemployed who have been dropped, shows we now have 104 million unemployed American citizens of working age, out of what the BLS claims on their internet website is a total number of 256 million American citizens of working age residing in the USA today, and if we calculate the 'US Unemployment rate' the same way they did during the 'Great Depression', then the actual rate is just over 40% unemployment in the USA today.
To prove all this correct and show how really bad the US economy has become under Obama and the Democrats, one needs to know that when Obama became President, there were 17 million American citizens on 'Welfare & Food Stamps', in the throes of the Bush recession, but 6 months later in June 2009 Obama, the Democrats, and the liberal biased mainstream media proclaimed Bush's recession over, and Obama's and the Democrats economic recovery started. But today after 7 years straight of Obama's and the Democrats economic recovery, the number of people on 'Welfare & Food Stamps' have tripled to over 50 million American citizens today. How can this happen during 7 years straight of an economic recovery, if we were actually ever in one? During those same 7 years straight of Obama's and the Democrats' economic recovery the yearly averaged income for Americans went from $58,000.00 when Obama became President, to less than $50,000.00 today, and the averaged wealth (homes, cars, furnishings, retirement accounts, insurance values, stocks, bonds, etc.) of an American family has decreased over that same period by nearly 15%, all during 7 straight years of a supposed economic recovery.
What defines an economic recovery and healthy economy, two straight quarters of an increase in the GDP, determined by the dollars spent in the economy during each quarter, which is supposed to be caused by higher production output, caused by more purchases, an increase in businesses, and adding more jobs, all being caused by economic growth, the economy growing and expanding. But that is not what has happened under Obama and the Democrats, who used Keynesian voodoo economics, that have proven to have failed whenever they were tried down though world history, especially in the old USSR and old Red China, as well as North Korea and Cuba, and is now also happening in Venezuela. Obama's increase in the dollars being spent each quarter in his economy was from Obama's historically record setting high deficits, which he used to fund 'Welfare, Food Stamps, Disability Payments, Medicaid, and all other free to the public entitlement programs', which have totaled a trillion dollars every year Obama has been President, which he has averaged $1.35 trillion in deficits every year he's been President, and is not from the economy creating new businesses, more jobs, manufacturing more products, and selling more products and labor, but from federal government money providing a living for the poor, which those deficits have not been covered by the usual manner of the selling of US Treasury Bonds to China, Russia, Japan, the oil rich nations of the Middle East, or billionaire entrepreneurs, who all have lost confidence in the USA being able to ever pay back it's tremendous debt created by Obama and the Democrats, but instead Obama's deficits are being covered by the 'Federal Reserve Board' printing money out of thin air with no intrinsic value to it, and loaning it to the 'US Treasury', while calling it 'Quantitative Easing', which is a lie because it does not meet the definition of that term, which is actually supposed to be loaned to our banks in order to provide funds for the expansion of our economy through loans for the startup of new businesses, companies expanding their factories, or adding new workers, buying raw materials for production, and for the common citizen to borrow to purchase new cars, appliances, new furniture and the such, causing more orders for factories, which would have to expand and add workers to meet the demand.
But this is not what is happening, instead it is being used to support the newly poor, created by Obama and the Democrats, who have decimated the middleclass of the USA by at least 50%, and they are those additional 34 million added to the 'Welfare & Food Stamp' roles since Obama became President, and during 7 years straight of a supposed economic recovery, for those 34 million have come from the middleclass and are now the new Obama poor, bringing them into the Democrats goal of 'Income E******y', everyone being poor, except the political elite like the Clintons, who use the federal government to become vastly rich off of federal government favors from the State Department for speaking dollars.
What happens when the only thing growing in an economy is the dollars being put into circulation, printed out of thin air with no intrinsic value, 'HYPERINFLATION', but nobody is talking about the costs of 'Food Stuffs & Energy Costs' from when Obama became President, to what those costs are today, the two things that the middleclass and poor spend most of their income on every day throughout the year, but what the 'DEMOCRATS' have removed from the 'US Inflation Rate' calculations', claiming they are too volatile to use, but were used during the 'Great Depression' and Jimmy Carter's recession, causing the 'Double Digit Triple Index Misery' of the three numerical percentages of unemployment, inflation, and interest rates. Obama, the Democrats, and the liberal biased mainstream media have been lying to the American people for more than 8 years now, telling them they were getting something that they were not, and have been had. Obama has probably already done enough to destroy the US economy and the US dollar, and if Hillary Clinton takes his place, she will definitely finish the job, but if Trump becomes president, which I also do not like, but is now the only option we have to a certain demise by Hillary Clinton, we might have a chance to turn this mess a round, maybe, if GOD is willing and we return to him humbly.
When the government has the authority to tell private businesses what they can charge for their product, and what they must pay their workers, it is no longer a free market, but more of what the old USSR was, and is the reason why our economy is now failing like that of the old USSR. Ironic and quite a coincidence that Russia and China have switched their economies more toward free markets and have become tremendously more successful with their economies than they once were, while at the same time the Democrats are changing the USA's economy into a more socialist c*******tically controlled economy, and in doing so Obama and the Democrats have increased the national debt from $9.6 trillion when Obama became President, to a projection of well over $20 trillion by the end of Obama's last term as President, more than doubling the debt in just 8 years that took all our other Presidents added together to acquire in 232 years.
But that's not all that proves Obama and the Democrats are destroying our once great economy, for last month Obama's 'Bureau of Labor Statistics' (BLS) reported that we now have over 95 million unemployed American citizens of working age (16 years to 54 years of age) who have been dropped from the 'US Workforce' because they have been without a job for 52 weeks and longer, 15 million of those unemployed American citizens of working age dropped by Obama since he became President, in order to lower the 'US Unemployment Rate', because there are two ways to lower that rate, the first is to create new jobs for people to take, but if that fails, the second way is to drop unemployed people from the 'US Workforce', where they are no longer counted as unemployed, and the unemployment rate goes down because fewer unemployed people are being counted in the 'US Workforce'. And the BLS also stated that they are still counting over 8 million unemployed American citizens of working age in the 'US Workforce' because they haven't been without a job for 52 weeks as of yet, and when added to those unemployed who have been dropped, shows we now have 104 million unemployed American citizens of working age, out of what the BLS claims on their internet website is a total number of 256 million American citizens of working age residing in the USA today, and if we calculate the 'US Unemployment rate' the same way they did during the 'Great Depression', then the actual rate is just over 40% unemployment in the USA today.
To prove all this correct and show how really bad the US economy has become under Obama and the Democrats, one needs to know that when Obama became President, there were 17 million American citizens on 'Welfare & Food Stamps', in the throes of the Bush recession, but 6 months later in June 2009 Obama, the Democrats, and the liberal biased mainstream media proclaimed Bush's recession over, and Obama's and the Democrats economic recovery started. But today after 7 years straight of Obama's and the Democrats economic recovery, the number of people on 'Welfare & Food Stamps' have tripled to over 50 million American citizens today. How can this happen during 7 years straight of an economic recovery, if we were actually ever in one? During those same 7 years straight of Obama's and the Democrats' economic recovery the yearly averaged income for Americans went from $58,000.00 when Obama became President, to less than $50,000.00 today, and the averaged wealth (homes, cars, furnishings, retirement accounts, insurance values, stocks, bonds, etc.) of an American family has decreased over that same period by nearly 15%, all during 7 straight years of a supposed economic recovery.
What defines an economic recovery and healthy economy, two straight quarters of an increase in the GDP, determined by the dollars spent in the economy during each quarter, which is supposed to be caused by higher production output, caused by more purchases, an increase in businesses, and adding more jobs, all being caused by economic growth, the economy growing and expanding. But that is not what has happened under Obama and the Democrats, who used Keynesian voodoo economics, that have proven to have failed whenever they were tried down though world history, especially in the old USSR and old Red China, as well as North Korea and Cuba, and is now also happening in Venezuela. Obama's increase in the dollars being spent each quarter in his economy was from Obama's historically record setting high deficits, which he used to fund 'Welfare, Food Stamps, Disability Payments, Medicaid, and all other free to the public entitlement programs', which have totaled a trillion dollars every year Obama has been President, which he has averaged $1.35 trillion in deficits every year he's been President, and is not from the economy creating new businesses, more jobs, manufacturing more products, and selling more products and labor, but from federal government money providing a living for the poor, which those deficits have not been covered by the usual manner of the selling of US Treasury Bonds to China, Russia, Japan, the oil rich nations of the Middle East, or billionaire entrepreneurs, who all have lost confidence in the USA being able to ever pay back it's tremendous debt created by Obama and the Democrats, but instead Obama's deficits are being covered by the 'Federal Reserve Board' printing money out of thin air with no intrinsic value to it, and loaning it to the 'US Treasury', while calling it 'Quantitative Easing', which is a lie because it does not meet the definition of that term, which is actually supposed to be loaned to our banks in order to provide funds for the expansion of our economy through loans for the startup of new businesses, companies expanding their factories, or adding new workers, buying raw materials for production, and for the common citizen to borrow to purchase new cars, appliances, new furniture and the such, causing more orders for factories, which would have to expand and add workers to meet the demand.
But this is not what is happening, instead it is being used to support the newly poor, created by Obama and the Democrats, who have decimated the middleclass of the USA by at least 50%, and they are those additional 34 million added to the 'Welfare & Food Stamp' roles since Obama became President, and during 7 years straight of a supposed economic recovery, for those 34 million have come from the middleclass and are now the new Obama poor, bringing them into the Democrats goal of 'Income E******y', everyone being poor, except the political elite like the Clintons, who use the federal government to become vastly rich off of federal government favors from the State Department for speaking dollars.
What happens when the only thing growing in an economy is the dollars being put into circulation, printed out of thin air with no intrinsic value, 'HYPERINFLATION', but nobody is talking about the costs of 'Food Stuffs & Energy Costs' from when Obama became President, to what those costs are today, the two things that the middleclass and poor spend most of their income on every day throughout the year, but what the 'DEMOCRATS' have removed from the 'US Inflation Rate' calculations', claiming they are too volatile to use, but were used during the 'Great Depression' and Jimmy Carter's recession, causing the 'Double Digit Triple Index Misery' of the three numerical percentages of unemployment, inflation, and interest rates. Obama, the Democrats, and the liberal biased mainstream media have been lying to the American people for more than 8 years now, telling them they were getting something that they were not, and have been had. Obama has probably already done enough to destroy the US economy and the US dollar, and if Hillary Clinton takes his place, she will definitely finish the job, but if Trump becomes president, which I also do not like, but is now the only option we have to a certain demise by Hillary Clinton, we might have a chance to turn this mess a round, maybe, if GOD is willing and we return to him humbly.
bmac32 wrote:
When Oregon Governor Kate Brown signed a minimum w... (show quote)
Jun 19, 2016 14:40:36 #
You can not be any more stupid than to keep trying the same thing that has never worked and expect a different result.
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