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Nov 4, 2013 22:27:54   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
AuntiLee, welcome aboard! As I'm sure you've already found out, this can often be a bumpy ride. I suggest you stick around for awhile. It may be worth doing so.

Although you will find many who disagree with some of your stances, they will usually use civil rationale to explain those differences. Glean what you can and grow in the understanding of those differences.

There is something to be learned from everybody. I look forward to learning from your input! :thumbup: :mrgreen:

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Nov 5, 2013 08:24:37   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Confused wrote:
Opposed to corporate taxation ? You cannot be serious .. And leave the entire burden of the government on working people's wages ???
Income is income . A dollar earned by an employee is no different than a dollar earned by his employer .... Tax loopholes say that if you earn a dollar in the stock market that is not the same as the one you work for . Capital gains INCOME are taxed at less than half . It's pretty basic really . If you stop giving away tax loopholes to the special interests you have a choice of two paths : 1. Keep tax rates level and pay down the debt . 2. Cut tax rates substantially . People at the top gain the most when rates go from 38 % to 24 % .
What loophole you ask ? EVERY one with the exception of child care credit . Please take the time to read the Simpson / Bowles Plan . It's like 78 pages ..
Not sure I follow or agree with the logic that taxes are the problem and not the loopholes that keep rates high are not .
Opposed to corporate taxation ? You cannot be se... (show quote)


I will ask once more, and if you cannot answer this simple question I'll realize discourse is not possible - what loophole do you think encourages companies to move jobs offshore?

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Nov 5, 2013 08:31:46   #
jasfourth401
 
auntie lee wrote:
I am a 53 year old disabled, lesbian, democrat who has strong feelings about how this country runs or more correctly doesn't run. My main issues are women's rights, including equal pay for equal work, freedom of choice, gay rights, FDA's new policy concerning pain k**lers (because of being injured at work 15 years ago I have spent most of it in chronic pain), health care for everyone (I believe it should be a right not a privilege), women v****g and in politics and educating those who will lead tomorrow. I believe that "all men are created equal" means just that...ALL. I believe we could be a much better country if everyone spent more time worrying about their own lives and marriages instead of focusing on keeping someone from having the rights and privileges they take for granted. I believe that the money paid to big oil companies could be much better spent on educating the young, caring for the elderly and disabled and protecting our environment.
I am a 53 year old disabled, lesbian, democrat who... (show quote)


Welcome. This place is for everyone, and everyone's opinion. You will see a wide range of comments...many passionately reasoned...some caustic and a few profane. Your beliefs will be tested by some very bright people here and that's the best part. It's challenging. It makes you think. You'll question some tried and true assumptions you've always had...and you'll be better for it. Best of luck to you.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:53:59   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
A dollar an employee earns go home while a dollar from the employer goes into up keep of building, equipment, stock and many other items when what's left goes home, very easy to tell you have never been in business for yourself.


Confused wrote:
Opposed to corporate taxation ? You cannot be serious .. And leave the entire burden of the government on working people's wages ???
Income is income . A dollar earned by an employee is no different than a dollar earned by his employer .... Tax loopholes say that if you earn a dollar in the stock market that is not the same as the one you work for . Capital gains INCOME are taxed at less than half . It's pretty basic really . If you stop giving away tax loopholes to the special interests you have a choice of two paths : 1. Keep tax rates level and pay down the debt . 2. Cut tax rates substantially . People at the top gain the most when rates go from 38 % to 24 % .
What loophole you ask ? EVERY one with the exception of child care credit . Please take the time to read the Simpson / Bowles Plan . It's like 78 pages ..
Not sure I follow or agree with the logic that taxes are the problem and not the loopholes that keep rates high are not .
Opposed to corporate taxation ? You cannot be se... (show quote)

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Nov 5, 2013 10:57:52   #
Confused
 
Dave wrote:
I will ask once more, and if you cannot answer this simple question I'll realize discourse is not possible - what loophole do you think encourages companies to move jobs offshore?


If you are too simple minded to follow this I will just give up . LOOK at the Bain Capital record . Shell corporations and " holdings " . Tax loopholes allow the hiding of profits . Lower tax rates for off-shoring and even outsourcing . Do your homework and maybe you too can be informed before you get on here with your smug attitude .
Most informed sources have the current off-shore holdings at about 3 trillion dollars . Companies are holding out till their lobbyists can buy a lower rate deal . If you are OK with your business paying 38 % and theirs paying 15 % then that is your business . One in four of the top 400 companies in the country PAY NO INCOME TAXES . As long as GE can use tax loopholes to dodge US taxes THEY WILL CONTINUE TO C***T THE REST OF US WITH FOREIGN INVESTMENTS IN MANUFACTURING PLANTS .

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Nov 5, 2013 11:44:20   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Confused wrote:
If you are too simple minded to follow this I will just give up . LOOK at the Bain Capital record . Shell corporations and " holdings " . Tax loopholes allow the hiding of profits . Lower tax rates for off-shoring and even outsourcing . Do your homework and maybe you too can be informed before you get on here with your smug attitude .
Most informed sources have the current off-shore holdings at about 3 trillion dollars . Companies are holding out till their lobbyists can buy a lower rate deal . If you are OK with your business paying 38 % and theirs paying 15 % then that is your business . One in four of the top 400 companies in the country PAY NO INCOME TAXES . As long as GE can use tax loopholes to dodge US taxes THEY WILL CONTINUE TO C***T THE REST OF US WITH FOREIGN INVESTMENTS IN MANUFACTURING PLANTS .
If you are too simple minded to follow this I will... (show quote)


You really have strong opinions on limited knowledge. Let me try to let you know what's happening.

An American company makes product that costs a dollar and sells for two. Each sale represents a 35 cent tax liability.

A competitior company makes the same product at the same cost, except they make it in a country that has a lower corporate tax - let's say 10%. The sell the product to their American parent at 1.99 - thereby incurring a tax in the offshore country of 9.9 cents. Their American company has virtually no tax. As long as they keep the money offshore it is not taxable - that is why there is so much money there.

Now, consider this - no corporate tax at all. Make up the lost government revenue by taxing dividends and capital gains as regular income. You would immediately make American based operations competitive with companies located offshore -

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Nov 5, 2013 19:06:05   #
Confused
 
Dave wrote:
You really have strong opinions on limited knowledge. Let me try to let you know what's happening.

An American company makes product that costs a dollar and sells for two. Each sale represents a 35 cent tax liability.

A competitior company makes the same product at the same cost, except they make it in a country that has a lower corporate tax - let's say 10%. The sell the product to their American parent at 1.99 - thereby incurring a tax in the offshore country of 9.9 cents. Their American company has virtually no tax. As long as they keep the money offshore it is not taxable - that is why there is so much money there.

Now, consider this - no corporate tax at all. Make up the lost government revenue by taxing dividends and capital gains as regular income. You would immediately make American based operations competitive with companies located offshore -
You really have strong opinions on limited knowled... (show quote)


I was waiting for an explanation on the no corporate income tax plan . Income is income . Remember , " corporations are people my friend " Mitch Romney 2010 . Corporate tax rate put us close to the top in the industrialized world . Closing tax loopholes moves us to 25th . Under Simpson / Bowles The top tax rate and ALL corporate income tax is 24 % . The lobbyists will tell / sell you otherwise but the numbers don't lie . How could anyone expect to stay in business keeping 76 % of their profits ?

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Nov 6, 2013 08:25:59   #
1OldGeezer
 
Confused wrote:
If you are too simple minded to follow this I will just give up . LOOK at the Bain Capital record . Shell corporations and " holdings " . Tax loopholes allow the hiding of profits . Lower tax rates for off-shoring and even outsourcing . Do your homework and maybe you too can be informed before you get on here with your smug attitude .
Most informed sources have the current off-shore holdings at about 3 trillion dollars . Companies are holding out till their lobbyists can buy a lower rate deal . If you are OK with your business paying 38 % and theirs paying 15 % then that is your business . One in four of the top 400 companies in the country PAY NO INCOME TAXES . As long as GE can use tax loopholes to dodge US taxes THEY WILL CONTINUE TO C***T THE REST OF US WITH FOREIGN INVESTMENTS IN MANUFACTURING PLANTS .
If you are too simple minded to follow this I will... (show quote)

Confused,
Why are you angry at the companies for tax loop holes, they didn't pass the laws, the politicians in Washington did that in exchange for "campaign contributions" or money input to their personal slush fund.
Companies are in business to make a profit, if they don't do that, they go out of business. If they don't consider the tax laws as part of the operating/profit process they cannot compete, and go out of business.
The real problem is that the politicians in Washington have too much power that they then sell to business to our detriment.
We need to consider getting most of this power out of Washington by a change to our tax code/system. Consider a fair tax or sales tax instead of income tax ???????
1oldgeezer

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Nov 6, 2013 09:09:28   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Confused wrote:
I was waiting for an explanation on the no corporate income tax plan . Income is income . Remember , " corporations are people my friend " Mitch Romney 2010 . Corporate tax rate put us close to the top in the industrialized world . Closing tax loopholes moves us to 25th . Under Simpson / Bowles The top tax rate and ALL corporate income tax is 24 % . The lobbyists will tell / sell you otherwise but the numbers don't lie . How could anyone expect to stay in business keeping 76 % of their profits ?
I was waiting for an explanation on the no corpora... (show quote)


Did you read what I wrote - or are you just wanting to ramble?

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