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The T***h About Heaven and Hell
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May 23, 2016 06:42:06   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
http://youtu.be/QNqlyL4n68Q

Let me ask you the most important question you will ever be asked in your entire life. If you were to die tonight, where would you go? Do you know for sure that you would be in Heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ, or is there a nagging doubt that tells you perhaps you are headed in the other direction?

God has made salvation so simple a 6 year old child can grasp it. God did it all for you on Calvary, all you have to do is accept it or reject it. Do you know what Jesus was doing on the cross? He was making a payment on your sin debt, paid in full. And if you're lost, that payment is just sitting there at the foot of Calvary's cross waiting for you to come and claim it.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13 (KJV)

But know this. Reject that payment and you will pay for your own sins yourself in Hell…for all eternity! Can you do that? God is not a Calvinist, no one was made to be destroyed, no one will be put in Hell against their own will. God gave you free will to either accept or reject Him. You don't work to get saved, and you don't work to stay saved, but you do need to make a decision whether or not you will make the 'great t***saction' of your sins for His sinless righteousness.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)

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May 23, 2016 06:53:54   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
mwdegutis wrote:
http://youtu.be/QNqlyL4n68Q

Let me ask you the most important question you will ever be asked in your entire life. If you were to die tonight, where would you go? Do you know for sure that you would be in Heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ, or is there a nagging doubt that tells you perhaps you are headed in the other direction?

God has made salvation so simple a 6 year old child can grasp it. God did it all for you on Calvary, all you have to do is accept it or reject it. Do you know what Jesus was doing on the cross? He was making a payment on your sin debt, paid in full. And if you're lost, that payment is just sitting there at the foot of Calvary's cross waiting for you to come and claim it.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13 (KJV)

But know this. Reject that payment and you will pay for your own sins yourself in Hell…for all eternity! Can you do that? God is not a Calvinist, no one was made to be destroyed, no one will be put in Hell against their own will. God gave you free will to either accept or reject Him. You don't work to get saved, and you don't work to stay saved, but you do need to make a decision whether or not you will make the 'great t***saction' of your sins for His sinless righteousness.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)
http://youtu.be/QNqlyL4n68Q br br Let me ask you ... (show quote)


But why would something as powerful as God want to bother with us?We want him because he is the big guy on the block but what does he get on his end?

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May 23, 2016 07:06:02   #
popparod Loc: Somewhere else.
 
Your praise, hopefully.

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May 23, 2016 07:14:07   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
popparod wrote:
Your praise, hopefully.


You need ro hit quote reply so we know who you are responding too.

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May 23, 2016 07:15:14   #
Richard Rowland
 
I was raised in the church; I have that foundation. However, my concepts have changed regarding the teachings of God and Christ, by man. I'll make these comment, and say no more. Religion, belief in God, and Jesus Christ are subjective subjects, in the mind of man. It's in our hearts, where God can be found. As simple as that! The ten commandments give us law and rules, however, how would one be judged if the rules were followed but the heart is full of h**e.

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May 23, 2016 07:17:01   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
I was raised in the church; I have that foundation. However, my concepts have changed regarding the teachings of God and Christ, by man. I'll make these comment, and say no more. Religion, belief in God, and Jesus Christ are subjective subjects, in the mind of man. It's in our hearts, where God can be found. As simple as that! The ten commandments give us law and rules, however, how would one be judged if the rules were followed but the heart is full of h**e.


God knows.

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May 23, 2016 07:17:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Hemiman wrote:
But why would something as powerful as God want to bother with us?We want him because he is the big guy on the block but what does he get on his end?


Since God is love, and it is really all he teaches, it is unconditional love in return He gets..We do not see him, we may hear him, we can not feel him, other than what our mind and heart dictate of that feeling, but we know and we love him unconditionally in return..At least it is this me....

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May 23, 2016 07:20:57   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
lindajoy wrote:
Since God is love, and it is really all he teaches, it is unconditional love in return He gets..We do not see him, we may hear him, we can not feel him, other than what our mind and heart dictate of that feeling, but we know and we love him unconditionally in return..At least it is this me....


L.J did that sound a little peculiar to you as you wrote it,I mean all this for that ?just sayin.

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May 23, 2016 08:28:51   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Hemiman wrote:
But why would something as powerful as God want to bother with us?We want him because he is the big guy on the block but what does he get on his end?
I can only guess it's much like what I got when I protected and saw to the needs of my children.

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May 23, 2016 09:05:44   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
mwdegutis wrote:
http://youtu.be/QNqlyL4n68Q

Let me ask you the most important question you will ever be asked in your entire life. If you were to die tonight, where would you go? Do you know for sure that you would be in Heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ, or is there a nagging doubt that tells you perhaps you are headed in the other direction?

God has made salvation so simple a 6 year old child can grasp it. God did it all for you on Calvary, all you have to do is accept it or reject it. Do you know what Jesus was doing on the cross? He was making a payment on your sin debt, paid in full. And if you're lost, that payment is just sitting there at the foot of Calvary's cross waiting for you to come and claim it.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13 (KJV)

But know this. Reject that payment and you will pay for your own sins yourself in Hell…for all eternity! Can you do that? God is not a Calvinist, no one was made to be destroyed, no one will be put in Hell against their own will. God gave you free will to either accept or reject Him. You don't work to get saved, and you don't work to stay saved, but you do need to make a decision whether or not you will make the 'great t***saction' of your sins for His sinless righteousness.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)
http://youtu.be/QNqlyL4n68Q br br Let me ask you ... (show quote)


If you die and go to heaven today, what will come of you when the following event takes place ?

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

If the heavens are going to "disappear with a roar" what will happen to the people who are now in heaven and which scripture tells us the answer ?

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May 23, 2016 09:33:22   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
According to the bible ( more than 50 times) it does not say that we immediately go to heaven or hell. But, we sleep until judgment. The Bible says, “for the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing… their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, see also Psalm 146:4; 115:17). And of the soul, the bible says "And the LORD G*d formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7). At death, the last breath returns to G*d. “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to G*d who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7). Perhaps, because when we "sleep" we know nothing, it is possible to think of waking up in heaven or hell even if thousands of years have passed in the living world. Interestingly, hell appears in the old testament a total of 31 times and each time it is the Hebrew world "sheol" which is not the same as the Greek word... and they carry real differences. G*d said when we die we go to Sheol, the grave, a place below the surface. However, in the new testament, which was written in Greek, the concept of hell appear 27 times.... hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna. Of all three, Gehenna is a place of eternal punishment and awareness. And it comes from paganism. It was a physical place (valley of Hinnom) where babies were offered up to Molech (2 Chron. 28:3; 33:6) by burning them to death. Tartarus is temporary, that is a place where angel or evil men are punished until judgment day see Job 40:13; 41:31. And good old hades, is a holding cell for the dead. Apparently, one is punished here even before they are judged see Mt. 11:23; Lk. 10:15. It appears that if you go to hades it does not matter if you are good or bad.... you will be punished.
mwdegutis wrote:
http://youtu.be/QNqlyL4n68Q

Let me ask you the most important question you will ever be asked in your entire life. If you were to die tonight, where would you go? Do you know for sure that you would be in Heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ, or is there a nagging doubt that tells you perhaps you are headed in the other direction?

God has made salvation so simple a 6 year old child can grasp it. God did it all for you on Calvary, all you have to do is accept it or reject it. Do you know what Jesus was doing on the cross? He was making a payment on your sin debt, paid in full. And if you're lost, that payment is just sitting there at the foot of Calvary's cross waiting for you to come and claim it.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13 (KJV)

But know this. Reject that payment and you will pay for your own sins yourself in Hell…for all eternity! Can you do that? God is not a Calvinist, no one was made to be destroyed, no one will be put in Hell against their own will. God gave you free will to either accept or reject Him. You don't work to get saved, and you don't work to stay saved, but you do need to make a decision whether or not you will make the 'great t***saction' of your sins for His sinless righteousness.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)
http://youtu.be/QNqlyL4n68Q br br Let me ask you ... (show quote)

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May 23, 2016 14:33:43   #
Artemis
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
I was raised in the church; I have that foundation. However, my concepts have changed regarding the teachings of God and Christ, by man. I'll make these comment, and say no more. Religion, belief in God, and Jesus Christ are subjective subjects, in the mind of man. It's in our hearts, where God can be found. As simple as that! The ten commandments give us law and rules, however, how would one be judged if the rules were followed but the heart is full of h**e.


We are on the same plane and I agree with you completely, I for one believe the rules and laws of the heart come before man's. If the heart is full of h**e than one is not listening to the heart and thereby not God, wh**ever God might be.

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May 23, 2016 14:45:16   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Artemis wrote:
We are on the same plane and I agree with you completely, I for one believe the rules and laws of the heart come before man's. If the heart is full of h**e than one is not listening to the heart and thereby not God, wh**ever God might be.

Ask the Holy Spirit for guidance and read your bible Artemis and you'll find out " wh**ever God might be."

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May 23, 2016 14:48:29   #
Artemis
 
Pennylynn wrote:
According to the bible ( more than 50 times) it does not say that we immediately go to heaven or hell. But, we sleep until judgment. The Bible says, “for the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing… their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, see also Psalm 146:4; 115:17). And of the soul, the bible says "And the LORD G*d formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7). At death, the last breath returns to G*d. “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to G*d who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7). Perhaps, because when we "sleep" we know nothing, it is possible to think of waking up in heaven or hell even if thousands of years have passed in the living world. Interestingly, hell appears in the old testament a total of 31 times and each time it is the Hebrew world "sheol" which is not the same as the Greek word... and they carry real differences. G*d said when we die we go to Sheol, the grave, a place below the surface. However, in the new testament, which was written in Greek, the concept of hell appear 27 times.... hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna. Of all three, Gehenna is a place of eternal punishment and awareness. And it comes from paganism. It was a physical place (valley of Hinnom) where babies were offered up to Molech (2 Chron. 28:3; 33:6) by burning them to death. Tartarus is temporary, that is a place where angel or evil men are punished until judgment day see Job 40:13; 41:31. And good old hades, is a holding cell for the dead. Apparently, one is punished here even before they are judged see Mt. 11:23; Lk. 10:15. It appears that if you go to hades it does not matter if you are good or bad.... you will be punished.
According to the bible ( more than 50 times) it do... (show quote)



Who can say where heaven or hell is. What matters is what we do with our lives, as Richard has brought up...is it about living the straight and narrow or more about our intention and how we can positively impact the lives of others. Something as small as a simple compliment to a stranger maybe the very sun in their cloudy day.

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May 23, 2016 14:49:52   #
Artemis
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Ask the Holy Spirit for guidance and read your bible Artemis and you'll find out " wh**ever God might be."


Please don't tell me that anymore it is rude and condescending, we believe differently end of story. Wh**ever God might be was in consideration to all others reading and not my interpenetration alone, you might like to consider that sometime.

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