Glaucon

RESPONSE:

I am concerned with the ties most of our politicians have with Wall Street. However, when it takes such large amounts of money to be elected to offices, I don't have any idea how to solve that problem. I am concerned about solutions to the problem, not just finger pointing at “those other guys.”

I agree that America has been involved in global trade deal that have turned out to be bad for some American workers and I think some of the deals should be renegotiated and new ones negotiated more carefully. This is not a Republican or Democratic problem. As with i*****l i*********n, There are many very powerful groups, across political parties, that want it to continue as it is or it would change. We need to have more control of our borders, but the various plans Trump has put forth are unworkable. As long as we have the mind set that it is Hillary or Obama’s fault or Paul Ryan’s fault, and the “others” are evil and TOTALLY the cause of the problem, it won’t get better.

Hillary’s “chronic lying” is a meme repeated enough times so that many people believe she has shaded the t***h more than other politicians and particularly politicians of “the other party,” however I am reasonably sure that she has done so no more often than other politicians. Politicians are in a bind: if a politician told us the t***h, we would v**e him/her out of office. We want to be told simple answers to complex issues, choose sides and h**e the other side. If the accusation that Hillary lies or that any other politician lies, is repeated often enough, no examples or proof is necessary. It is human nature that we believe that which we hear often.

I think Sanders is a good man and means well. I believe his major proposals are great, but unrealistic and unworkable. And, perhaps his biggest problem of all is that he has labeled himself a socialist and many of us are opposed to him, not because of his proposals or actions, but because they think in labels and he has a bad label.

The many Hillary "scandals " are turning out to be factoids and much ado about nothing. The "just say no " Republicans have studied and are continuing to study these non issues to death and so far have come up empty.
There is an awful lot of gossip, innuendo, accusations, that are searching for problems. As long as we are able to focus on the bright and shiny faux scandals, we won't be identifying and solving real problems.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Well...Trump, about whom only complete fools are still laughing, seems to be doing better, and the hag does not seem to be doing better. You should have run Sanders rather than that woman...who has been rejected by rank and file Democrats just like Bush was rejected by rank and file Republicans. Too late now!

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Wh**ever else Sanders may be, as far as being genuine, likeable and believable, he's everything the hag ain't. He also clarifies the basic positions of more socialist or more capitalist, which I appreciate. The fucking Establishment of both parties has muddied the pond so badly Americans can't have a proper discussion of their differences, much less SOLVE anything...other than the question of how much dough and connections the politicians leave office with.

buffalo Loc: Texas

The problem with defeating b***h clinton is, not only do so many ignorant moonbats blindly and sheepishly support her, she is the annointed one by the establishment on Wall Street (MONEY) and the left arm (dems) of the corporate party. Trump is running on the right arm (repub)ticket of the corporate party but has yert to get the full support of its establishment. Both arms and their lapdog media are doing everything they can to stop Trump. But the people that support him and Sanders are mad and pissed at the same old politics that has come out of DC in favor of corporations at the expense and to the detriment of the middle class.

I guess I am going to v**e for Trump and hope enough v**ers are pissed enough at the system (which includes b***h clinton) to put him in office.

Glaucon

I would not be v****g for Hillary if there was a choice. I agree Trump is not a laughing matter and if he is "doing better'" he is doing better for THE DONALD and not for the rest of us. Hillary isn't my ideal and obviously is not your ideal, but she is the Democratic party's candidate for president and she will be rerunning against a con artist with a bloated ego. I am going to v**e for Hillary and she will win and things wont change very much or very fast, but the only option is totally unacceptable. We want many things to change, but I don't think we need to damage our country and appear more foolish than we are to the other countries of the world. I would hope for change for the better and not just any change.

Glaucon

I am usually inclined to ignore commenters refer to political adversaries as "b***hes" and people who v**e for them as "ignorant moonbats." The majority of v**ers are going to v**e for Hillary and that is going to make he our next president. You obviously despise her and you have expressed your negative feelings, but not your specific rationalizations for your feelings.

Progressive One

Man..,...one day I hope to learn to exercise your degree of civility with the ignorant. That is a real admirable trait to possess, a virtue like patience...........

Ricko Loc: Florida

Dem2016/rep2017-you obviously have not read many of Glaucon's posts as he cusses with the best of them. You can count on one thing from Glaucon, he will v**e democrat regardless of who they put up as their nominee. He is a loyal democrat and someday he might see the light. Anyone who would want Hillary in the Oval Office is either not thinking clearly or just does not care about this country's future. She has already proven her incompetence as First Lady, Senator, and Sec. of State . Good Luck America !!!

buffalo Loc: Texas

Your are wrong, moonbat!!! It's not hard to find proof of the b***h's lies and criminality.

List of 10 Verified Hillary Clinton Lies
You have to wonder exactly how many prevarications it will take for people to become aware that Hillary Clinton might have a something of a tiny little character flaw – like being a pathological liar – that will reflect negatively on her fitness to be president and commander-in-chief.

Presented for your enjoyment is a list of 10 of Hillary Clinton’s recent and past lies.

Note that this list doesn’t include any of the misrepresentations relating to any of the many scandals she was involved in when while in the White House.

1. Hillary Clinton lied as a staff member of the House Judiciary Committee

Dan Calabrese reveals in his column that former general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, Jerry Zeifman, indicated that he fired the 27 year old Hillary Rodham from the House Judiciary Committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation due to her lying and unethical conduct. Zeifman said that during the Watergate investigation Hillary lied in a legal brief, them removed evidence from public access that would document her conduct. (Source)

2. Hillary Clinton lied about flying into Bosina under sniper fire

“I remember landing under sniper fire,” she said in Washington on Monday. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

News footage of the event however showed her claims to have been wide of the mark, and reporters who accompanied her stated that there was no sniper fire. Her account was ridiculed by ABC News as “like a scene from Saving Private Ryan”. (Source)

3. Hillary Clinton Misrepresented her Record opposing the Iraq War

In Eugene, Ore., Saturday, April 5, 2008, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., attempted to change the measure by which anyone might assess who criticized the Iraq war first, her or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., by saying those keeping records should start in January 2005, when Obama joined the Senate. (A measure that conveniently avoids her October 2002 v**e to authorize use of force against Iraq at a time that Obama was speaking out against the war.) She claimed that using that measure, she criticized the war in Iraq before Obama did.

But Clinton’s claim was false. (Source)

4. Hillary Clinton Misrepresented her Role in the Irish Peace Accord

The historian Tim Pat Coogan told The Chicago Tribune: “It was a nice thing to see her there, with the women’s groups. It helped, I suppose. But it was ancillary to the main thing. It was part of the stage effects, the optics.” Former SDLP man Brian Feeney said pithily: “The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it.” (Source)

5. Hillary Clinton Misrepresented the extent to which her daughter was in danger on 9/11

Clinton said Chelsea had gone on “what she thought was going to be a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and, and, that’s when the plane hit.”

Responding to a question about whether her daughter heard the “rumble,” Clinton said, “She did hear it.”

Weeks later, Chelsea Clinton told a magazine that she was in an apartment 12 blocks away when the first plane hit. A UPI article said she was outdoors closer to the site when “she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing.” (Source)

6. Hillary Clinton Claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary

During a stop in Nepal while on a south Asian goodwill tour in April 1995, First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton engaged in a brief (and reportedly coincidental) meeting with Sir Edmund Hillary (who, along with Tenzing Norgay, became the first person to reach the summit of the world’s highest mountain, Mt. Everest, in 1953) and told reporters she had been named after the famed mountain climber. The notion that Ms. Clinton’s given name was inspired by the man who conquered Everest was almost certainly a bit of fiction invented for political expediency (as many critics have noted, Edmund Hillary didn’t become world-famous until six years after Hillary Rodham was born). (Source)

7. Hillary Clinton Lied about supporting NAFTA

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton “touted the president’s support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region.”

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that “the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement.”

In her memoir, Clinton wrote, “Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn’t hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill’s successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA.”

Yes, we are all expected to just forget that, so that Hillary Clinton’s campaign can manufacture supposed “outrage” that anyone would say she supported NAFTA – all at a time her chief strategist, Mark Penn, simultaneously heads a firm that is right now pushing to expand NAFTA into South America.

Penn was recently fired by both Columbia and the Clinton campaign. (Source)

8. Hillary Clinton Lied about her role in the passage of the Family and Medical Leave Act

Her campaign Web site boasts that her record includes “helping to pass the Family and Medical Leave Act.”

But the bill was pushed in Congress for years and passed twice, only to be vetoed by former President George H.W. Bush. Congress passed it a third time as Bill Clinton took office. He signed it into law on Feb. 5, 1993, barely two weeks after he became president.

Hillary Clinton’s own White House schedules, recently released, make no mention of any meetings on the bill. (Source)

9. Hillary Clinton Lied about her trip to Africa

Speaking in Pennsylvania two weeks ago, Clinton introduced former U.S. Ambassador Joe Wilson. “He and I did travel together to Africa and, sort of, paved the way for the president’s trip the following year, which was historic,” Clinton said.

But Wilson didn’t accompany Clinton on her March 1997 trip to Africa. Wilson did accompany both Clintons on the president’s 1998 Africa visit.

“She made a mistake on that,” Wilson said. “She misspoke on that. I worked closely with her and her staff on the president’s trip, which she went on.”

The Clinton administration official who accompanied Clinton on her 1997 trip was Susan Rice, who’s now a senior foreign policy adviser to the Obama campaign. (Source)

10. Hillary Clinton Lied about the “uninsured” woman who died after childbirth

Over the last five weeks, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has featured in her campaign stump speeches the story of a health care horror: an uninsured pregnant woman who lost her baby and died herself after being denied care by an Ohio hospital because she could not come up with a $100 fee.

The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured…

Linda M. Weiss, a spokeswoman for the not-for-profit hospital, said the Clinton campaign had never contacted the hospital to check the accuracy of the story, which Mrs. Clinton had first heard from a Meigs County, Ohio, sheriff’s deputy in late February 2008.

A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, said candidates would frequently retell stories relayed to them, vetting them when possible. “In this case, we did try but were not able to fully vet it,” Mr. Elleithee said. “If the hospital claims it did not happen that way, we respect that. (Source)

April 7, 2008, Clinton partly vindicated.

Clinton erred in telling audiences that the Ohio woman lacked insurance when seeking help for her troubled pregnancy. But according to Casto’s account, Bachtel’s medical tragedy began with circumstances very close to the essence of Clinton’s now-abandoned account: the lack of insurance created a $100 barrier to needed medical attention close to home. (Source)

Tomorrow is another day with a good chance of another lie.

http://byteboy.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/list-of-ten-hillary-clinton-lies/

buffalo Loc: Texas

Not even the b***h's fellow moonbats at CNN and Factcheck.org are swallowing her attempts to spin away her violations of the law regarding Emailgate:


Her excuses don’t really have to pass the laugh test. If oliar wants her in prison, she’ll go to prison. Since he doesn’t, she won’t. That’s the way things work when Big Government has outgrown the rule of law.

http://youtu.be/ytqIjEUyX1c

Glaucon

RESPONSE:

Calling me a moonbat because I disagreed with you, diminishes my respect for you.
It is very easy or very hard to find proof of lying and criminality in politics. Unfortunately, for many people it depends on the party affiliations and opinions of the person looking for the lying and criminality. The determination is also dependent on the standards for judging. For someone to be actually trying to be reasonably fair, a lie is a statement meets the following basic requirements:
A fundamental requirement for identifying a lie is that the person making the statement must know the statement is untrue when he makes it. We must know his intentions, what is in his/her mind. Merely hating Hillary and Obama do not make it possible for you to know their intentions and doesn’t turn gossip, innuendo, and accusations even close to being evidence. It would help me understand you if you would pick out one incident of lying, from your list, that you believe Hillary has told.
Determining criminal guilt also has to follow constitutional due process or it is merely h**e speech, gossip,

Glaucon

I haven't seen the EVIDENCE of Hillary's incompetence How ever, I have heard an awful lot of gossip about her alleged incompetence.

I do cuss with the best of them (and with the worst of them). I am not sure why you point that out.

You jump to many false conclusions instead of thinking, asking questions, and raging.

It is ok for you to say you think, it is my fantasy, all my gang believes, etc. but you sound like a loose cannon and a mindless ideologue when you attempt to make factual statements about things you know nothing.

The people of New York elected Hillary as their senator and reelected her. Do you know something the people of New York do not?

Is there any possibility that you might be an extremely biased person who is being controlled by his own h**e and misinformation?

buffalo Loc: Texas

I do not call you a moonbat because we disagree. Moonbat is a term used in United States politics as a pejorative political epithet referring to progressives or l*****ts. A long poem, The Proving of Gennad: A Mythological Romance by Landred Lewis (1890), uses the term "moonbat" to refer to unsound ideas. Get it?

I love how the b***h's defense is that she's too stupid to properly handle classified material. She has no excuse for using a private email server that was not secure while serving as secretary of State. If it’s information that relates to national defense, whether she acted with gross negligence is not a defense and what she did is a felony, intention or not.

Progressive One

do you refer to women who have not done you anything personal as b***hes on a regular basis? just curious. I thought I'd ask since your fellow wingnuts like to lecture me all the time but do not say s**t to people like you.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

You shouldn't v**e for that unindicted criminal and you know it, but that's your choice to make and I won't say another word about it.

Trump's ego is no different than Clinton's, Glaucon. The difference is that for 4 years, at least, (because make no mistake, if he doesn't perform well Trump will be easy to defeat) it will be America First instead of America Not First.

We need a breather from all this g*******t crap and we're going to have it. The hag will not win. She can't win. A lot of Dems are figuring that out. I predict deserters. Lots of deserters.