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Oct 30, 2013 15:57:41   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
USpatriot77 wrote:
From your previous postings, its clear that all you plan on doing is straddle the fence. Make no mistake, a battle is coming, and you, me, and every other American WILL have to take a side! I served in the US Army actively for over 22 years, and I can tell you unequivically that most current, prior and vets will NOT back this President or his Administration or their military leaders if and when this domestic timebomb goes off inside America! Where will you stand? I for one will stand on the side of American freedom and liberty! What am I declaring? Civil war in this country is not a matter of if, but when will the core patriot foundation of this country say they've had enough and decide to do something about it.
That is not bluster, that is pure American patriotic t***h! It is coming-you will be forced to choose sides whether you like it or not!!
GOD bless the United States of America!!
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And I stand with you, Patriot, proudly and happily so. No one wants war, no one wants to fight one, but MOST people eventually rebel when they are under constant and expanding oppression, and what I'd like to hear ONE person on the left tell us is: under what jurisdiction do YOU, that one person on the left, justify the method and the thought behind the ACA, Fast and Furious, the abandonment of our people in B******i, the use of the US Seals sent to capture NOTHING? Logic, I would like to hear LOGIC from some rare l*****t who may actually believe in it.

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Oct 30, 2013 16:10:28   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
1) The "people have been down this road of tyranny before-we can and did beat the Government!
2) if people will get off their asses and do more than provide lip service-they(we) can change the b****t box!
3) If the American v****g peopleinnact term limits for the Congress and Senate then it will effect the changes needed to put this country back on the "right" path. Also, get rid of the PAC's!
4) American people just need to v**e BO and the rest of the socialist "left" out of office. And get rid of the State E*******l college v**e and elect only by the popular v**e of the people!
50 SCOTUS appointees should have term limits just like the POTUS does-Change the Constitution and make it the law of the land.
5) The school system needs to be changed-with a beginning emphasis on "law and government" starting in the first grade.
American history also starting at the first grade. Freedom of choice should always be taught as the building block for all American institutions of Government.
As for what needs to be done now! American patriots need to get off their laurals, get involved with local and State government, because this is where any real change will start first. Don't be afraid to raise your voice to your elected officials, take a stand and force change to occur. Fear is what keeps American Patriots from doing anything. fear of losing property, jobs, rights etc... for speaking out against the Government-I say, "what more can they continue to take away?" If it's worth having, it is worth fighting for!! Plain and simple!
If you read deep into the taxation laws and the Constitution, Taxes were never meant to be a permanent component of American government in the first place.
All it takes for real fundamental change to occur is for American citizen's to wake up and stand up to POTUS and his cronies and say "NO MORE!"
If they send you to the "gulag", I promise here and now, "I will send you monthly care packages as long as you are there!"
Tasine wrote:
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I think I know what you are talking about and I often wonder the same thing. The question is: exactly WHAT to do?
1. The people cannot win a war against this government. It has weapons we do not have access to.
2. The b****t box is terminally c*********d, and factually worthless.
3. For a representative country, we are astoundingly non-represented, and I see little change coming there.
4. Because we have a "President" who thinks he is God, he wants the US Constitution GONE, and is working constantly to accomplish that little bit of housecleaning.
5. Ahhhh......the courts. Uh, no. The courts are as corrupted and staffed with socialists that there is no hope there.
6. The Supreme Court? Nope, no help. It is filled with left wingers, wimps, and battle-axes.
7. So much of our population has been deliberately dumbed down and brainwashed that we cannot expect any help there to restore our once great nation. They simply do as they are programmed to do, and don't know when they have it good or when they have it bad.

So while many of us agree that SOMETHING must be done, the question of "what?" prevents us from doing much of anything.

If just one year, all good Americans refused to file an income tax report, it might be a good thing. Could they arrest all of us? I suppose they COULD, as they have the FEMA camps ready for occupation. They would fine us. If we didn't pay the fines, they may confiscate our homes and property. Would people sit still for that? Have we discussed just who this country belongs to - the citizens or the "government officials"? What would happen if we just all got together, formed our own government and told this current one to "get lost"? Actually that is what I would like to do.

I think I will not file income taxes this year. I am 75, don't have much they could confiscate or that would affect me for decades as it would younger people. If they arrest me, they'll have to feed and cloth me and house me.
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Oct 30, 2013 16:46:23   #
jasfourth401
 
Tasine wrote:
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I don't want to stir the waters too much as I value your and RossD's views and desires. However, I also value honesty, and in all honesty I really disagree with you re the "middle of the road" approach to anything. Middle of the road automatically lessens the best approach. I feel that the BEST solution is ALWAYS the correct answer, not some middle of the road "it's the best we can do". My view on compromise is that you come in with one idea how to solve the problem. I come in with another view to solve the problem. We have a method for measuring those two views, and if we must, we even ask others for their opinions. If the best of both plans can be agreed upon as being the best, but the rest of the plans cannot be agreed upon, we either go with one or the other OR we together re-write the remainder of the plan.

That is NOT what happens in our government. The pubbies introduce a bill, the dems automatically diss it, and historically the pubbies accept the loss.............THAT has been happening for decades.............and the average republican h**es that - we don't want to live under l*****t RULE. For a change the Republicans are fighting back for their very principles on which they were founded. For once the conservative Republicans in government are actually REPRESENTING a huge portion of their e*****rate. Those who do less will LOSE their next e******n.

As to being polite on posts, I believe most of us feel we are at war, verbal war as we have no other power than that of speech. The warrior who fights politely in this day and age will be slaughtered, right or wrong. No one is going to call me a cunt, a whore, an asshole, a teabagger and walk away unscathed. Make no mistake, l*****ts have called me those things (and worse) on these types of forums. Just because their leaders have taught them that this is how to fight does not mean they get to automatically win. We in the public KNOW that. If our leaders insist on misleading the herds, WE WILL attempt to do the leading. People who deny observable, notable, documented FACTS need to be told they are believing lies instead of their eyes and brains.
Some people don't even know how to communicate without hatred - those would be the militant left, and to a lesser degree the militant right.
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I don't think you are stirring the waters at all. Your opinion is your opinion. I respect that. You are also correct that the best answer is the correct answer. But I haven't seen a correct answer as it relates to anything come out of Washington in a very long time, unless it concerns vested corporate interests. Recent bi-partisan attempts have been interesting but have gone nowhere. Simpson Bowles is an example. Another example is Romney's healthcare plan in his (former) state that works fine.

Your comment noted as follows struck a real cord for me. "If our leaders insist on misleading the herds, WE WILL attempt to do the leading. People who deny observable, notable, documented FACTS need to be told they are believing lies instead of their eyes and brains." I completely agree. As a fiscal conservative, I take p***e in following the money. And I have been shouted down in virulent terms by scandalously pointing out the majority of our debt can be directly linked to programs from GOP administrations. And I'm in the GOP.

As far as communicating with either side, I'll automatically exclude anyone who uses derisive terms such as "teaturd", "libtard", "Oblamer", or any other silly label. It's childish. And arguing with children is a waste of time.

In closing, our power is much more than free speech. It's our ability to stay focused on the facts, address those facts, with the result being a stronger country than we now have. It still is, and has been the greatest place on earth. And everyone who lives here has the right to call themselves a proud American (immigration debate aside).

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Oct 31, 2013 13:00:20   #
riffsky
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
I've always been of the opinion that centrist, mutually agreed on policy and politicians have done more to benefit this country than the shrill optics of today's "leaders." But I'm also a realist. Our society is simply mimicking what we see in media. Trash talk and bombast create reported soundbites. People revel in watching "real housewives" kick the crap out of each other.

The tipping point for me (from a political point of view), will be watching to see what real damage the tea party (or more aptly their antics) will cause in upcoming e******ns. If the e*****rate washes some out, it just might tone down the screechy rhetoric.

Sure. Everyone is entitled to a particular point of view. I have no problem with people being adamant about their cause. But I do have problem with folks who denigrate opposing points of views...especially when their actions and beliefs have caused problems they ascribe to others behavior. The debate over the federal debt is just one example.
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You should change your user name to "Pot." You sound like Harry Reid- "I'm just a good ol' boy trying to do the right thing, but it's all the fault of those evil Republicans."

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Oct 31, 2013 13:33:05   #
jasfourth401
 
alex wrote:
If you understood what the T.E.A.stood for you might change your tune as for their antics what are you talking about all we want is for the gov't to govern according to the constitution almost everything that creature we have in our white house has done has followed the c*******t doctrine and that is not what true Americans want


I am well aware of what the tea party stands for. I happen to be a big fan of their ten core beliefs. And your response shows you don't follow these core tenants. Core tenant #9 is "beware the pitfalls of politics." And you've fallen into the trap they set for you. You played right into their hands by not following what the tea party stands for. I find that rather sad.

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Oct 31, 2013 13:37:07   #
jasfourth401
 
riffsky wrote:
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You should change your user name to "Pot." You sound like Harry Reid- "I'm just a good ol' boy trying to do the right thing, but it's all the fault of those evil Republicans."


I don't understand your comment. I've been a conservative republican for over 35 years. I've found that a centrist approach actually accomplishes something. NJ's Christie is one example.

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Oct 31, 2013 20:36:14   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
I don't understand your comment. I've been a conservative republican for over 35 years. I've found that a centrist approach actually accomplishes something. NJ's Christie is one example.

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It all depends on what you see as acceptable "accomplishment" as opposed to what others see as acceptable. Not all "accomplishments" are good and some should be shredded.

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Oct 31, 2013 22:45:38   #
riffsky
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
I don't understand your comment. I've been a conservative republican for over 35 years. I've found that a centrist approach actually accomplishes something. NJ's Christie is one example.


If you're a conservative republican, I'm Ho Chi Minh! You "don't understand my comment?" Please Mr. centrist, tell me you didn't denigrate the opinions of the TEA party. Conservative republican/centrist my ass!

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Nov 1, 2013 02:13:07   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong about Christie. He is nothing more than a closet Democrat-or RINO if you prefer! If you do not know what a RINO is I can explain it to you. Before you make any more mistakes maybe you should go and report in to the DNC.
jasfourth401 wrote:
I don't understand your comment. I've been a conservative republican for over 35 years. I've found that a centrist approach actually accomplishes something. NJ's Christie is one example.

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Nov 1, 2013 06:33:17   #
jasfourth401
 
riffsky wrote:
If you're a conservative republican, I'm Ho Chi Minh! You "don't understand my comment?" Please Mr. centrist, tell me you didn't denigrate the opinions of the TEA party. Conservative republican/centrist my ass!


Please tell me Mr. Ho Chi Minh how I denigrated tea party opinions. Was it "Everyone is entitled to a particular point of view. I have no problem with people being adamant about their cause." ? Please cite the exact quote from my comment. Thanks.

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Nov 1, 2013 06:41:25   #
jasfourth401
 
USpatriot77 wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong about Christie. He is nothing more than a closet Democrat-or RINO if you prefer! If you do not know what a RINO is I can explain it to you. Before you make any more mistakes maybe you should go and report in to the DNC.


Yes. Please explain what a RINO is. How can someone outside of the established republican party and platform call a republican a RINO? The tea party members are actually RINO's, outsiders looking in. You'll need to come up with another acronym since this one is illogical. I'd start with the RNC to determine the definition since they are the official management group for the GOP. Let me know what they say.

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Nov 1, 2013 06:49:55   #
jasfourth401
 
Tasine wrote:
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It all depends on what you see as acceptable "accomplishment" as opposed to what others see as acceptable. Not all "accomplishments" are good and some should be shredded.


Agreed. Some should be shredded. Others I agree with. One acceptable accomplishment, in my opinion, was enactment of the sequester. These across the board cuts whacked a nice chunk out of spending. It's a start.

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Nov 1, 2013 09:52:16   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
Agreed. Some should be shredded. Others I agree with. One acceptable accomplishment, in my opinion, was enactment of the sequester. These across the board cuts whacked a nice chunk out of spending. It's a start.

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I don't believe it was a start. I think as much money was spent during the sequester as before. Additionally, can't you think of better ways money could have been spent than to begin gutting the military in dangerous ways? Do you not believe something symbolic should have also been done - such as cutting most of the perks politicians enjoy at the expense of taxpayers? Do you not believe that some of those chunks you mention are not offset by all the money we are sending to the Middle East to fund this group and that group?
Don't you think more money could have been saved if we no longer fund countries who are healthier than we are economically?

It will NEVER be a "start" until the Democrats get off their childish high horses and accept that the country is financially hurting and that our government is the sole cause of that hurt? I've never seen such hubris in my long life as I am seeing in some in Congress and in the White House. And I will remind all that contrary to what people want to believe, nice guys almost always finish last.

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Nov 3, 2013 02:25:27   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
You've been suckling off the DNC's tit for so long you can't think a logical thought if you had a brain-"Progressive" or "Democrat"is nothing more than a "Socialist" hiding behind the umbrella of "free speech"! By the way comrade, how is Obama-mau's "HOPE and CHANGE" working for you?
jasfourth401 wrote:
Yes. Please explain what a RINO is. How can someone outside of the established republican party and platform call a republican a RINO? The tea party members are actually RINO's, outsiders looking in. You'll need to come up with another acronym since this one is illogical. I'd start with the RNC to determine the definition since they are the official management group for the GOP. Let me know what they say.

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Nov 3, 2013 11:15:06   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
Yes. Please explain what a RINO is. How can someone outside of the established republican party and platform call a republican a RINO? The tea party members are actually RINO's, outsiders looking in. You'll need to come up with another acronym since this one is illogical. I'd start with the RNC to determine the definition since they are the official management group for the GOP. Let me know what they say.


as is usual with liberal ( I hesitate to say thinking because libs don't do that) thinking it is upside down, the T.E.A.party are the true constitutional party, it is the old time democrats that escaped the party when the c*******t took over and they joined the republican party but they still v**e democrat like McCain and Beohener

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