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Oct 24, 2013 12:28:56   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I admit I watch to many cable news programs. I even try to catch some of MSNBC. I can't take much of that ridiculous cheer leading squad for the administration.
One of the huge differences I see on all these programs between conservatives and liberals is when they debate the ACA. Time after time libs tell conservatives if you think this law is so bad you should want it implemented so it will crash and burn and you will win politically. The key word here is politically. The conservatives generally answer with I don't want the ACA to be implemented then crash and burn. This will hurt the economy and American families. You now have Republicans working to get a bill to delay implementation of this economic disaster. If they thought like liberals they would want the implementation to go forward so they could score political points when it does not do the things Obama promised.

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Oct 24, 2013 13:32:01   #
bahmer
 
JFlorio wrote:
I admit I watch to many cable news programs. I even try to catch some of MSNBC. I can't take much of that ridiculous cheer leading squad for the administration.
One of the huge differences I see on all these programs between conservatives and liberals is when they debate the ACA. Time after time libs tell conservatives if you think this law is so bad you should want it implemented so it will crash and burn and you will win politically. The key word here is politically. The conservatives generally answer with I don't want the ACA to be implemented then crash and burn. This will hurt the economy and American families. You now have Republicans working to get a bill to delay implementation of this economic disaster. If they thought like liberals they would want the implementation to go forward so they could score political points when it does not do the things Obama promised.
I admit I watch to many cable news programs. I eve... (show quote)


Both sides know only to well that once the bill is fully implemented that even if it crashes and burns that the odds of it ever being retracted and removed are slim to nil. The democrats have crafted the bill to do just that and then they will ride in on a white horse and propose single payer healthcare just as they have in the UK. Only if the bill is delayed or defunded do the people of America even stand a remote chance of getting rid of this monstrosity and that is a slim one at best. Obama is all about control and that goes for the democrat party as well. They are so near to total control now that they won't loosen their grip on this country unless they are forced to and I don't see either Harry Reid or Barack Obama giving any ground on anything right now.

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Oct 24, 2013 13:47:38   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
JFlorio wrote:
I admit I watch to many cable news programs. I even try to catch some of MSNBC. I can't take much of that ridiculous cheer leading squad for the administration.
One of the huge differences I see on all these programs between conservatives and liberals is when they debate the ACA. Time after time libs tell conservatives if you think this law is so bad you should want it implemented so it will crash and burn and you will win politically. The key word here is politically. The conservatives generally answer with I don't want the ACA to be implemented then crash and burn. This will hurt the economy and American families. You now have Republicans working to get a bill to delay implementation of this economic disaster. If they thought like liberals they would want the implementation to go forward so they could score political points when it does not do the things Obama promised.
I admit I watch to many cable news programs. I eve... (show quote)


It isn't about health insurance. It is about control. With every social program the government inserts itself in our lives and we lose more of our liberties. think about this.

When you here the liberal leaders talk in a debate, if you don't agree with what they are saying then, like the ACA, when the conservatives don't agree with it then the Liberals say,"they are against the poor and impoverish." But if you look at what is happening with the ACA, conservatives were right. But, it won't get played out that way.

Fact is, the people on the left in charge like the lives they live and don't want to relinquish even a little. And there are establishment republicans that are the same way. The real statesmen are those who will fight for the constitution and stand on the principles that the founders put in the constitution. Anyone who is not doing that, then I would say they are Stateists.

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Oct 25, 2013 19:42:20   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
JFlorio wrote:
I admit I watch to many cable news programs. I even try to catch some of MSNBC. I can't take much of that ridiculous cheer leading squad for the administration.
One of the huge differences I see on all these programs between conservatives and liberals is when they debate the ACA. Time after time libs tell conservatives if you think this law is so bad you should want it implemented so it will crash and burn and you will win politically. The key word here is politically. The conservatives generally answer with I don't want the ACA to be implemented then crash and burn. This will hurt the economy and American families. You now have Republicans working to get a bill to delay implementation of this economic disaster. If they thought like liberals they would want the implementation to go forward so they could score political points when it does not do the things Obama promised.
I admit I watch to many cable news programs. I eve... (show quote)


ACA is being played as the good guy bad guy act. You can pick if your guy is the good guy. The plan it's self may be good or may be bad.

Medical care & costs are a big problem. The quality of care has gone down & the costs have gone up. Most people agree that some thing had to be done. Ideas have been floating around for some time. A Republican Governor help to get a system much like this in his state. It seems to be working.

In this country if some thing is going get done some one wants to know what is in it for me. Those that wish to get some thing out will not support it until they are sure of what they can get. When the plan goes in to effect they will look for ways to profit from it & then say the plan was bad but keep taking the money to the bank.

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Oct 26, 2013 11:15:07   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
ACA is being played as the good guy bad guy act. You can pick if your guy is the good guy. The plan it's self may be good or may be bad.

Medical care & costs are a big problem. The quality of care has gone down & the costs have gone up. Most people agree that some thing had to be done. Ideas have been floating around for some time. A Republican Governor help to get a system much like this in his state. It seems to be working.

In this country if some thing is going get done some one wants to know what is in it for me. Those that wish to get some thing out will not support it until they are sure of what they can get. When the plan goes in to effect they will look for ways to profit from it & then say the plan was bad but keep taking the money to the bank.
ACA is being played as the good guy bad guy act. Y... (show quote)


How about this. The ACA is a milk bill. It won't work and they knew that. They don't want it to work. It is about distracting the people from what is really going on.

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Oct 26, 2013 12:35:26   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
claytonln wrote:
How about this. The ACA is a milk bill. It won't work and they knew that. They don't want it to work. It is about distracting the people from what is really going on.


What makes the ACA a mess is that any time something is proposed that on the surface would seem to be a good thing for the masses it is d**gged out into a slugging match.

There has to be a way for Big Money to get their hands on the money. They try to make it look like it is a bad idea & that when it is enacted & running Big Money will say it was a bad plan & they blame the other side for it being bad, but they will still take the money & run.

Business as usual.

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Oct 26, 2013 12:48:00   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
What makes the ACA a mess is that any time something is proposed that on the surface would seem to be a good thing for the masses it is d**gged out into a slugging match.

There has to be a way for Big Money to get their hands on the money. They try to make it look like it is a bad idea & that when it is enacted & running Big Money will say it was a bad plan & they blame the other side for it being bad, but they will still take the money & run.

Business as usual.


I don't disagree with you. But who is big money? You think that it is all on the republican side? Here is a fact. The bill was never read by a single member of congress. Not one republican v**ed for it. There were new insurance company's that were put together just to handle these exchanges. Tax payer money funded those "insurance company's". The people who built the web site had a no bid contract. There were no bids made to anyone but the people who got the contract. Michelle Obama, had a class mate that is part of that company.

Come on buddy, you seem sensible, but don't ignore the facts. any bill that is that big cannot be good for the American public.

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Oct 26, 2013 14:04:13   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
claytonln wrote:
I don't disagree with you. But who is big money? You think that it is all on the republican side? Here is a fact. The bill was never read by a single member of congress. Not one republican v**ed for it. There were new insurance company's that were put together just to handle these exchanges. Tax payer money funded those "insurance company's". The people who built the web site had a no bid contract. There were no bids made to anyone but the people who got the contract. Michelle Obama, had a class mate that is part of that company.

Come on buddy, you seem sensible, but don't ignore the facts. any bill that is that big cannot be good for the American public.
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I have tried to put across the point that there are people with lots of wealth I call them Big Money.

It one time there was the Right & the Left. Each side had a different agenda. But Big Money rules & now have almost complete control of our government.

It was in the past that the Right made many laws that helped big business. Helping big businesses to make lots of money.
Creating what I call big money. This wasn't to bad but Big Money use these profits to buy more v**es. To the point now they own both the Right & the Left.

In the past the Left would try to do things to help the masses.

All deals where made behind closed doors. Now the control of government is almost complete & the ugly acts that the government do is open & all of the uglyness shows.

Big Money is in control & make no doubt about it they will use all of the money they can suck out of us to run the government & to suck out more.

You can see by reading what people write on this forum that they still think that there is a Left & a Right.

If you wish to keep control of the people you have to appear to give them a bone once in a while. But you being Big Money you have to live up to your standards. Let no money end up in any hands but yours.

I have what I have & don't seek more just to have more.

I feel that if the people who's life touch mine have what I have then things would be better for most.

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Oct 26, 2013 14:23:44   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I have tried to put across the point that there are people with lots of wealth I call them Big Money.

It one time there was the Right & the Left. Each side had a different agenda. But Big Money rules & now have almost complete control of our government.

It was in the past that the Right made many laws that helped big business. Helping big businesses to make lots of money.
Creating what I call big money. This wasn't to bad but Big Money use these profits to buy more v**es. To the point now they own both the Right & the Left.

And the idea that taxing the rich more will correct the problem is way off base. It compounds the problem, because business's spend less in expansion.

Everyone has a choice in what they do. Some choose to work for others, some choose to work for themselves. But, we choose.

In the past the Left would try to do things to help the masses.

All deals where made behind closed doors. Now the control of government is almost complete & the ugly acts that the government do is open & all of the uglyness shows.

Big Money is in control & make no doubt about it they will use all of the money they can suck out of us to run the government & to suck out more.

You can see by reading what people write on this forum that they still think that there is a Left & a Right.

If you wish to keep control of the people you have to appear to give them a bone once in a while. But you being Big Money you have to live up to your standards. Let no money end up in any hands but yours.

I have what I have & don't seek more just to have more.

I feel that if the people who's life touch mine have what I have then things would be better for most.
I have tried to put across the point that there ar... (show quote)


not that I disagree with you, but business creates jobs. Government cannot create jobs. They create policies that help the the people create jobs.

When Nixon created the EPA, industry in this country started going down hill. About a month ago, I heard about the EPA putting into effect a regulation. When asked what it would do they had to admit that it don't do anything to stop pollution or decrease anything. So what was the purpose of the regulation? Uh by the way that regulation stands.

It comes down to one thing. Government has gotten so big that it all cannot be watched. The regulations destroy jobs. Reagan was exactly right when he said that Government is not the answer to the problems. It IS the problem. Now, If Government wasn't allowed to grow so big would it be better? I don't know. But, I do believe our way of life is very much threatened.

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Oct 26, 2013 14:52:19   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
claytonln wrote:
not that I disagree with you, but business creates jobs. Government cannot create jobs. They create policies that help the the people create jobs.

When Nixon created the EPA, industry in this country started going down hill. About a month ago, I heard about the EPA putting into effect a regulation. When asked what it would do they had to admit that it don't do anything to stop pollution or decrease anything. So what was the purpose of the regulation? Uh by the way that regulation stands.

It comes down to one thing. Government has gotten so big that it all cannot be watched. The regulations destroy jobs. Reagan was exactly right when he said that Government is not the answer to the problems. It IS the problem. Now, If Government wasn't allowed to grow so big would it be better? I don't know. But, I do believe our way of life is very much threatened.
not that I disagree with you, but business creates... (show quote)


We can not have a very good system if there are people who for all intents & purposes are not a part of the system.

If private interest are unable or just don't what to include people in the main stream then it remains a problem for the rest of us. Can you stand there & tell me in all t***h that Obama as done nothing to help Big Money?
Just what has he done to help the poor or even the Middle Class?

So for the record I say Obama is under control of Big Money
just like the rest of Washington.

You may hear a voice once in a while opposing Big Money but most that oppose Big money get bought out or are shoved to the side lines.

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Oct 27, 2013 01:09:42   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
We can not have a very good system if there are people who for all intents & purposes are not a part of the system.

If private interest are unable or just don't what to include people in the main stream then it remains a problem for the rest of us. Can you stand there & tell me in all t***h that Obama as done nothing to help Big Money?
Just what has he done to help the poor or even the Middle Class?

So for the record I say Obama is under control of Big Money
just like the rest of Washington.

You may hear a voice once in a while opposing Big Money but most that oppose Big money get bought out or are shoved to the side lines.
We can not have a very good system if there are pe... (show quote)


Let me give you a clue. Obama sics the DOJ on big business. They tell them that they are under investigation. The big business's, AT&T, Sprint, whoever, knows it would cost them far more to fight than to give "donations". Then awhile later the campaign people come around and tell them,"for a donation we can get that investigation taken care of." That is the Washington way, that is business as usual.

They are not protecting anyone from big money. They are lining their own pockets. Get the book by Peter Schweizer , "Extortion". The tenured politician's are in constant fund raising mode. There are some that aren't but if you been there for awhile you probably are.

But, the big money is in DC. The lobbyist's aren't even a fraction of the problem. If we done the things they do, our happy asses would be in Prison.

It is not the system that is broke. The system worked fine for the first 125 yrs. Then permanent politicians came about and have done what they do.

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Oct 27, 2013 01:20:08   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
ACA is being played as the good guy bad guy act. You can pick if your guy is the good guy. The plan it's self may be good or may be bad.

Medical care & costs are a big problem. The quality of care has gone down & the costs have gone up. Most people agree that some thing had to be done. Ideas have been floating around for some time. A Republican Governor help to get a system much like this in his state. It seems to be working.

In this country if some thing is going get done some one wants to know what is in it for me. Those that wish to get some thing out will not support it until they are sure of what they can get. When the plan goes in to effect they will look for ways to profit from it & then say the plan was bad but keep taking the money to the bank.
ACA is being played as the good guy bad guy act. Y... (show quote)


The point is, one size does not fit all. What is working in MA, a small state, may not work in every other state.

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Oct 27, 2013 02:23:39   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
AuntiE wrote:
The point is, one size does not fit all. What is working in MA, a small state, may not work in every other state.


I don't know you real age & will only assume it.
Oh never mind one is to never ask a lady her age.

Any way I am on medicare & ACA will not affect me or any one on medicare for now.

Shame on me for even thinking to ask.

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Oct 27, 2013 02:40:38   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I don't know you real age & will only assume it.
Oh never mind one is to never ask a lady her age.

Any way I am on medicare & ACA will not affect me or any one on medicare for now.

Shame on me for even thinking to ask.


The question I have for those on Medicare is concerning their medigap (spelling and terminology may be incorrect). A lot of people on Medicare Part B carry insurance to cover the difference in Medicare payments (80%) and the remaining 20%. Are they going to be dropped by their insurer and then be responsible for the 20%? 20% can become quite expensive very quickly. Are they going to be forced onto the exchanges to obtain their additional coverage?

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Oct 27, 2013 03:20:17   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
AuntiE wrote:
The question I have for those on Medicare is concerning their medigap (spelling and terminology may be incorrect). A lot of people on Medicare Part B carry insurance to cover the difference in Medicare payments (80%) and the remaining 20%. Are they going to be dropped by their insurer and then be responsible for the 20%? 20% can become quite expensive very quickly. Are they going to be forced onto the exchanges to obtain their additional coverage?


How ever this all works out I will find the money to cover it.

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