Intersting Angle on Whether or Not Cruz is a "Natural Born Citizen": Please read the entire article, which points out that Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship. Does the fact that...

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Please read the entire article, which points out that Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship. Does the fact that he had a foreign citizenship to denounce at all prove that he is not a "natural born" citizen of the U.S.?

What do you think?

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/04/12/rick-sanchez-by-renouncing-his-canadian-citizenship-ted-cruz-further-proved-his/

skott Loc: Bama

PaulPisces wrote:

Please read the entire article, which points out that Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship. Does the fact that he had a foreign citizenship to denounce at all prove that he is not a "natural born" citizen of the U.S.?

What do you think?

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/04/12/rick-sanchez-by-renouncing-his-canadian-citizenship-ted-cruz-further-proved-his/

My wife was born in Italy, her parents were an American citizen serving as an Air Force officer, and his wife a Mexican citizen. At 18 she was asked by the U.S. to choose only one. The other countries did not care wether she had multiple citizenship. She chose American, because that was where she lived. She is legally eligable to be president. The only difference is that Cruz's parents were not sent to Canada as an agent of the U.S.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

skott wrote:

My wife was born in Italy, her parents were an American citizen serving as an Air Force officer, and his wife a Mexican citizen. At 18 she was asked by the U.S. to choose only one. The other countries did not care wether she had multiple citizenship. She chose American, because that was where she lived. She is legally eligable to be president. The only difference is that Cruz's parents were not sent to Canada as an agent of the U.S.

Skott - You point out a critical difference between Cruz and your wife's mother which is also noted in the article.

Just to be clear - I have no interest one way or the other. I wouldn't v**e for Cruz for dog catcher regardless of his citizenship, since I question whether he is human at all. :evil:

skott Loc: Bama

PaulPisces wrote:

Skott - You point out a critical difference between Cruz and your wife's mother which is also noted in the article.

Just to be clear - I have no interest one way or the other. I wouldn't v**e for Cruz for dog catcher regardless of his citizenship, since I question whether he is human at all. :evil:

I'm not a fan of Cruz, but this questioning citizenry needs to end.

bahmer

skott wrote:

My wife was born in Italy, her parents were an American citizen serving as an Air Force officer, and his wife a Mexican citizen. At 18 she was asked by the U.S. to choose only one. The other countries did not care wether she had multiple citizenship. She chose American, because that was where she lived. She is legally eligable to be president. The only difference is that Cruz's parents were not sent to Canada as an agent of the U.S.

A natural born citizen is a baby that is born in the United States to two United States citizen parents meaning both the father and the mother have to be United States citizens at the time of the child's birth on United States soil. In John McCain's account the congress met and agreed that since McCain's parents were deployed by the US to panama that that allowed an exception for John McCain. Interestingly enough Barack Obama was on that committee and it didn't seem to phase him one bit in accepting the nominee for presidency of the United States. I guess he was sleeping all the way through the discussion.

skott Loc: Bama

bahmer wrote:

A natural born citizen is a baby that is born in t... (show quote)

That is not what the courts have said. They say a baby born to at least one citizen, or a baby born on American soil. (They do not specify a location)

bahmer

skott wrote:

That is not what the courts have said. They say a baby born to at least one citizen, or a baby born on American soil. (They do not specify a location)

This is where the term was derived from.

This is speaking of the founding fathers at the time of the drafting of the constitution.

They knew from reading Vattel that a "natural born citizen" had a different standard from just "citizen," for he or she was a child born in the country to two citizen parents (Vattel, Section 212 in original French and English t***slation).

That is the definition of a "natural born citizen," as recognized by numerous U.S. Supreme Court and lower court decisions

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

skott wrote:

I'm not a fan of Cruz, but this questioning citizenry needs to end.

I tend to agree with you Skott. This article just happened to pique an interest in me from a legal/constitutional angle.

That having been said, chances are, if there had been no "birther" nonsense about Obama it would never have occurred to me to explore what the framers of our constitution meant.

skott Loc: Bama

PaulPisces wrote:

I tend to agree with you Skott. This article just happened to pique an interest in me from a legal/constitutional angle.

That having been said, chances are, if there had been no "birther" nonsense about Obama it would never have occurred to me to explore what the framers of our constitution meant.

The courts, and supreme court justices are who has the legal reponsability to tell us what they meant, as a whole. The courts have said that just being born on American soil(like Obama was) or to an American citizen anywhereLike both Obama and Cruz) makes them a naturalized citizen.

bahmer

skott wrote:

The courts, and supreme court justices are who has the legal reponsability to tell us what they meant, as a whole. The courts have said that just being born on American soil(like Obama was) or to an American citizen anywhereLike both Obama and Cruz) makes them a naturalized citizen.

A naturalized citizen would be different from a natural born citizen would it not?