jelun

You, and others, keep saying that it is obvious that HRC is in someone's pocket.
Just saying that is really not a reason to discount her as POTUS.
What demonstrates her being in someone's pocket to you?
Using a white noise machine makes sense to me. I have been to many presentations that have used them; classrooms included.
I would guess that she utilized that so that Republicans could not take aim at her as Dems did with Romney.
This list is a bit old... please note former President Reagan's rate way back when.

http://www.onlineuniversities.com/blog/2010/04/10-highest-paid-public-speakers-in-the-world/

The US has never met a war it didn't like.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

Ok, the US has never met a war it didn't like, and that's the problen, whoever's in office. What demonstrates her being in someone's pocket? Using public office and public funds to help enrich herself and her friends in the corporate world. It's blatant, her hypocrisy and narrow self-interest above the country's, do we want more people like this in power?

jelun

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, you keep saying the same words without the particulars that would demonstrate that she has done what you claim. Sounds like Republican talking points to me.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

I don't mind agreeing to disagree; I did mention particulars(Libya, Honduras, Syria) as far as her interventionism, which should not be a problem for you to look into. Its not exactly classified information. As far as her taking money from Wall St and bankers, or private interests like Wal-Mart and Monsanto,among them some of the same criminals responsible for damaging the economy and the environment, she does that out in the open. Its not a theory.
And I can assure you I am no Republican. These things I mention about Hillary are things Republicans have no problem with. That's why they're always coming up short on trying to run her down, because most of what she does they are fine with (why else would a guy like Robert Kagan support her?) Anyway it is not my intention to dissuade you from voting for her, if that's what you want to do; it's just that aside from her being a woman and a Democrat, why would you?

jelun

Before I forget, I guess I need to make clear.
Nobody can dissuade me from voting for Bernie Sanders, I already did that. My primary has passed.
That didn't stop me from watching the debate last night, the debate told us that even Bernie Sanders can't name how or when the Sec'y has made any decision that was affected by the 1% and their donations.
Suppositions just don't cut it and for me the need for a person to earn money to help support his or her family is a bit different than seeking political contributions. I have not seen any record of Walmart giving her contributions.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=Walmart&cycle=All&sort=R&state=&zip=&employ=&cand=&submit=Submit
It is not surprising that Walmart prefers Republicans.
Monsanto also gives their money to Republicans.

Your sarcasm is a bit annoying, however I will continue.
You seem to forget that the US did not take the lead in Libya. That was left to interests in Europe. That is when the right came up "leading from behind", remember?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-12482311

An opinion from 18 months later...http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-the-price-of-obamas-leading-from-behind/2012/09/17/b9314986-00f2-11e2-b257-e1c2b3548a4a_story.html


The US has been meddling in Central America for at least a century. Is Hillary Clinton's opponent going to end that interference?
Bernie Sanders' website doesn't address Honduras or the rest of the Americas at all. They might as well not exist. I would guess that means it is not a priority for him.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

No, Sanders doesn't go far enough behind the curtain either, he just comes closer than any of the others.
Europe led the way militarily in Libya only because the US were backing them; the Western banking cartel could not tolerate Libya running it's own country and currency; for more on that, I suggest you check out Ellen Brown's website webofdebt.com, where there are more details on the real agenda behind most of our interventionism abroad.
So sorry to annoy you. It should annoy us all that these farcical elections always seem to come down to the "lesser-of-two-evils" trap; this year would be a perfect time for citizens to collectively say "No more!"
None of the candidates, including Sanders, are willing to challenge the inherent rot that is the system. Apparently it will be up to the people to do so, somehow.

jelun

I am not really all that interested in driving myself crazy about people being imperfect.
It is not at all surprising that bankers and banks are out to make profits. They don't really have to create warlike situations in order to do that.
All over the continent banks are doing those living in poverty the favor of hooking them up with debit cards because that is a great way to separate them from a piece of their $6K per annum.
http://www.bis.org/cpmi/paysys/southafrica.pdf

We all know how this works, a need is created where this is none.
Banks make money from financing wars, they don't need them to create markets.
So far as Ellen Brown is concerned, I think I indicated previously that I am not interested in conspiracy theorists.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

Mrs Brown is no conspiracy theorist. She is an attorney, author, and historian, and has written the most comprehensive book on the history of currency and banking, particularly of the West but spanning the globe, in at least a generation. Her writing is stacked with accurate and verifiable data. It wouldn't hurt to give it a read and make a qualified assesment before making judgements.
And you contradicted yourself when you posted that banks don't need wars to create markets, that they make money from financing them; that IS creating a market for war, and the debt incurred a tool of control. How else to you think they stay relevant and powerful? It's the debt. Aside from the commodification of all people, places and things, including currency, banks and the financial "industry" don't create anything of any real value, they are extractive parasites. To me, it's a very relevant aspect of our society that too few of us understand.
I'm not trying to win an argument with you here. I'm certainly no smarter than anyone else. But this subject has been a pet-project of mine for a few years now, and since I've been on this site I've tried to focus on the monetary-system as something that concerns and affects us all. So there's no need to get snotty or flippant. Once I grasped the reality of the system it was like an awakening, and it all made sense. Everyone says they know how it works, of course, but to they really?

jelun

I am not sure why you would think that I haven't been aware of Ellen Brown for years, she has been floating silly ideas and running for office/trying to gain power for quite some time.
I didn't contradict myself at all. War has a ready market, it is not creating a market. I am sorry that you don't see the difference.
Have a nice weekend.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

What's so silly about Brown's ideas? The crux of her whole stance is to take the power to create and regulate a nation's currency out of the hands of private banking cartels and into the hands of the citizens and their chosen representative-body, as per the Constitution. How that's silly to you is beyond me. So understanding the debt-based monetary-system is silly? Economic sovereignty is silly? Wow.
And for-profit wars started on false premises is different than any "good war" you can name, if there ever was such a thing. That's the difference. That there's a "ready-made market" means what, exactly, in this day and age? Who makes that market?

Your attitude reminds me of a quote by psychiatric professor Thomas Szasz: "Every concious act of learning requires willingness to suffer an injury to one's self-esteem. That is why young children, before they are aware of their own self-importance, learn so easily; and why older persons, especially if vain or important, cannot learn at all."

You have a nice weekend too.