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Mar 30, 2016 14:57:09   #
Gatsby
 
As the law now stands, any lawful resident, of any nationality, can legally buy firearms simply by providing proof of legal residency, and passing the NCIS background check.

This makes it far easier for potential foreign terrorists to arm themselves after they arrive here.

The right to keep and bear arms should be, like the right to v**e, reserved to U.S. citizens.

What do you think?

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Mar 30, 2016 15:06:39   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Gatsby wrote:
As the law now stands, any lawful resident, of any nationality, can legally buy firearms simply by providing proof of legal residency, and passing the NCIS background check.

This makes it far easier for potential foreign terrorists to arm themselves after they arrive here.

The right to keep and bear arms should be, like the right to v**e, reserved to U.S. citizens.

What do you think?







The sharia law that is "fundamentally t***sforming" America currently, Gatsby, is shredding our American laws and our Constitution and our Bill of Rights as "WE" speak. "Fast and Furious" is a perfect example of exactly how this administration feels about American laws, and if Garland is suddenly "Appointed" to the Supreme Court [as "BHB" was suddenly rushed into POTUS], the 2nd Amendment will be gone before [his] {secular?/Muslim?} liberal progressive gavel hits the Supreme Court Bench.

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Mar 30, 2016 15:07:59   #
Kevyn
 
Gatsby wrote:
As the law now stands, any lawful resident, of any nationality, can legally buy firearms simply by providing proof of legal residency, and passing the NCIS background check.

This makes it far easier for potential foreign terrorists to arm themselves after they arrive here.

The right to keep and bear arms should be, like the right to v**e, reserved to U.S. citizens.

What do you think?
The right to v**e is preserved for citizens, the right to bear arms if you choose to ignore the well regulated milita aspect, which most 2nd amendment zealots choose to do, is assigned to "the people" not specifying any qualifiers. The courts have abandoned the idea that people was collective and assigned the right to bear arms as that of an individual. With this interpretation it is difficult to single out non citizen residents as the bill of rights applies to everyone. Further the so called constitutional purists insist that the rights are not confirmed by the constitution but are "God given" and as such any of your suggested regulation would be precluded. As they say liberty is not free and the price paid for the unfettered right to bear arms is 30000 or so lives a year, more than all of our war dead combined. And it is a price paid not by warriors but everyone from infants to the elderly.

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Mar 30, 2016 15:11:38   #
bahmer
 
robmull wrote:
The sharia law that is "fundamentally t***sforming" America currently, Gatsby, is shredding our American laws and our Constitution and our Bill of Rights as "WE" speak. "Fast and Furious" is a perfect example of exactly how this administration feels about American laws, and if Garland is suddenly "Appointed" to the Supreme Court [as "BHB" was suddenly rushed into POTUS], the 2nd Amendment will be gone before [his] {secular?/Muslim?} liberal progressive gavel hits the Supreme Court Bench.
The sharia law that is "fundamentally t***sfo... (show quote)


Spot on all the way.

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Mar 30, 2016 15:30:52   #
Gatsby
 
You clearly imply that, because of the second amendment, the entire total, of 30,000 people who die by murder or suicide, would not have died, had there been no gun present. This statement also implies that, without the second amendment, there would be no murders or suicide.

Some argument!


Kevyn wrote:
The right to v**e is preserved for citizens, the right to bear arms if you choose to ignore the well regulated milita aspect, which most 2nd amendment zealots choose to do, is assigned to "the people" not specifying any qualifiers. The courts have abandoned the idea that people was collective and assigned the right to bear arms as that of an individual. With this interpretation it is difficult to single out non citizen residents as the bill of rights applies to everyone. Further the so called constitutional purists insist that the rights are not confirmed by the constitution but are "God given" and as such any of your suggested regulation would be precluded. As they say liberty is not free and the price paid for the unfettered right to bear arms is 30000 or so lives a year, more than all of our war dead combined. And it is a price paid not by warriors but everyone from infants to the elderly.
The right to v**e is preserved for citizens, the r... (show quote)

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Mar 30, 2016 16:08:27   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Gatsby wrote:
As the law now stands, any lawful resident, of any nationality, can legally buy firearms simply by providing proof of legal residency, and passing the NCIS background check.

This makes it far easier for potential foreign terrorists to arm themselves after they arrive here.

The right to keep and bear arms should be, like the right to v**e, reserved to U.S. citizens.

What do you think?


Do you think that we just need to make gun stores do background checks? Enforce state laws that already exist?

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Mar 30, 2016 16:20:00   #
Gatsby
 
It is:

Existing Law #1 to enforce, the NCIS background check law.
When criminals break the law, by trying to buy firearms, prosecute them for a change.

Please Read,

http://www.politifact.com/new-hampshire/statements/2013/mar/22/kelly-ayotte/most-people-trying-buy-gun-illegally-us-senator-ke/

Dummy Boy wrote:
Do you think that we just need to make gun stores do background checks? Enforce state laws that already exist?

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Mar 30, 2016 16:24:24   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
The right to v**e is preserved for citizens, the right to bear arms if you choose to ignore the well regulated milita aspect, which most 2nd amendment zealots choose to do, is assigned to "the people" not specifying any qualifiers. The courts have abandoned the idea that people was collective and assigned the right to bear arms as that of an individual. With this interpretation it is difficult to single out non citizen residents as the bill of rights applies to everyone. Further the so called constitutional purists insist that the rights are not confirmed by the constitution but are "God given" and as such any of your suggested regulation would be precluded. As they say liberty is not free and the price paid for the unfettered right to bear arms is 30000 or so lives a year, more than all of our war dead combined. And it is a price paid not by warriors but everyone from infants to the elderly.
The right to v**e is preserved for citizens, the r... (show quote)


The figure of murder victims is around 8000. Just about half of these are committed by inner city b****s. The FBI statistics on this are not hard to check. Given our population, our per capita murder rate is slightly higher than European countries once you subtract these mostly gang related inner city deaths. With them, it is a little over 4:100,000. Without them, it is slightly over 2:100,000. The murder rate for most European countries is an average of one point something per.
Compare this to Mexico, with their strict gun control policies, who, with a third of our population had more than twice as many murders as us last year. Their per capita rate is nearly 20:100,000, and Jamaica, where even possessing ammunition, without even having the gun is an automatic jail sentence in most cases, has a murder rate of 39.4:100,000.
Deleting murders by black inner city criminals brings our per capita rate down to a little more than Canada, or Germany, or actually less than France and Belgium.
In 2013, there were more than 76,000 stops on firearms purchases with our current system. Less than 100 were prosecuted and less than 30 resulted in convictions, yet gun control advocates persist in saying that "weak" laws rather than non-enforcement of existing laws is the problem. FBI stats say that the average gun recovered from criminal activity is several years old and is stolen and has been sold on the street more than once.

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Mar 30, 2016 16:30:09   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Gatsby wrote:
It is:

Existing Law #1 to enforce, the NCIS background check law.
When criminals break the law, by trying to buy firearms, prosecute them for a change.

Please Read,

http://www.politifact.com/new-hampshire/statements/2013/mar/22/kelly-ayotte/most-people-trying-buy-gun-illegally-us-senator-ke/


Exactly...if someone walks in your gun shop with an accent, incoherently speaking in English and an ID (not a Driver's License). Case closed.

Buying guns isn't that hard off the street...especially if you're a criminal or a non citizen. They don't care about background checks.

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Mar 30, 2016 16:50:31   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Gatsby wrote:
As the law now stands, any lawful resident, of any nationality, can legally buy firearms simply by providing proof of legal residency, and passing the NCIS background check.

This makes it far easier for potential foreign terrorists to arm themselves after they arrive here.

The right to keep and bear arms should be, like the right to v**e, reserved to U.S. citizens.

What do you think?


That is up to each State, as ALL gun laws should be. Most interpret "the State" referred to in the 2nd amendment as the National Government, but this is incorrect. The rest of the Constitution makes that definition clear and that the Federal Government is NOT a "State", despite having a State Department and so on. The Constitution outlines the people's rights and authority, the States rights and authority and PROSCRIBES the Federal Governments authority, according it no rights at all.

To properly understand and apply the Constitution, one must take the document IN IT'S ENTIRETY - not pick out bits and pieces for interpretation, exclusive of the rest - like we tend to do to the Bible ( we shouldn't be doing that there either ).

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Mar 30, 2016 17:16:49   #
righty Loc: Tenn
 
Gatsby wrote:
As the law now stands, any lawful resident, of any nationality, can legally buy firearms simply by providing proof of legal residency, and passing the NCIS background check.

This makes it far easier for potential foreign terrorists to arm themselves after they arrive here.

The right to keep and bear arms should be, like the right to v**e, reserved to U.S. citizens.

What do you think?


Our Constitutional laws/rights should not be extended to anybody if they are not full fledged U.S. Citizen.

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Mar 30, 2016 18:21:04   #
Redd Loc: SWFlorida
 
"Our Constitutional laws/rights should not be extended to anybody if they are not full fledged U.S. Citizen."

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And the argument should end right there with THAT statement !

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Mar 30, 2016 18:50:00   #
bahmer
 
Redd wrote:
"Our Constitutional laws/rights should not be extended to anybody if they are not full fledged U.S. Citizen."

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And the argument should end right there with THAT statement !


Amen

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Mar 30, 2016 19:09:05   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Kevyn wrote:
The right to v**e is preserved for citizens, the right to bear arms if you choose to ignore the well regulated milita aspect, which most 2nd amendment zealots choose to do, is assigned to "the people" not specifying any qualifiers. The courts have abandoned the idea that people was collective and assigned the right to bear arms as that of an individual. With this interpretation it is difficult to single out non citizen residents as the bill of rights applies to everyone. Further the so called constitutional purists insist that the rights are not confirmed by the constitution but are "God given" and as such any of your suggested regulation would be precluded. As they say liberty is not free and the price paid for the unfettered right to bear arms is 30000 or so lives a year, more than all of our war dead combined. And it is a price paid not by warriors but everyone from infants to the elderly.
The right to v**e is preserved for citizens, the r... (show quote)
Your ignorance of the meaning and intent of the 2nd Amendment AND the constitution is very close to absolute. You've probably never even heard of the Federalist Papers much less read any of them. You probably don't even know what Federalism is.

First of all, the constitution in its entirety (including all amendments) applies ONLY to American citizens. (The 2nd Amendment clause regarding "a well regulated m*****a" has nothing to do with a "collective". "The Collective" is a Marxist/socialist or Borg thing.)

Second, our God given rights were realized in the DoI and codified, established and protected by the constitution.

"We are endowed BY OUR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights .... and to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men . . ." Which clearly means that those particular rights pre-existed the establishment of a government. IOW, those rights are ours, the government cannot abolish them. Although it thinks it can and is doing everything in its power to make it happen.

Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds. Your hearts bleed over those k**led by a gun, whether accidental or not, and to hell with all the biggest k**lers (of which firearms deaths is not even in the top 10) You whine and cry when a convicted murderer is executed, or a tree is cut down. And no one can out do a liberal when it comes to opposing war. Your arguments are abstract and fabricated on the premise that your intention is to keep everyone and everything alive (and fat and stupid, and even stoned.)--but for how long you never say. Yet you condone, promote, and celebrate the wholesale slaughter of millions of unborn babies every year. And you rationalize that, you justify it, by trying to convince yourselves that a baby is not a human being. You even sink to the level of trying to apply some sort of scientific law to prove it.

The number one k**ler of the human spirit is LIBERALISM.

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Mar 30, 2016 19:24:48   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
Hell,, that makes up 1/3 of democrooks v**ers..

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