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Oct 25, 2013 07:50:43   #
Poco624
 
bmac32 wrote:
So does this mean you can't see it without reading?

The rest of your post is opinion which your surely entilited to have and as for the history you can't go back and change it.


This post is not opinion, it is fact. Which is something you probably have a problem with because you operate in a "fact-free zone".

History? If you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it. Obviously you party doesn't learn from history.

George Santayana, a Spanish philosopher said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

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Oct 25, 2013 08:13:47   #
jasfourth401
 
bmac32 wrote:
Throughout the government shutdown, Democrats, who knew Republicans wouldn’t be able to delay Obamacare, routinely said, “It’s settled law.” President Obama was re-elected, they say – though he said almost nothing about Obamacare during the campaign, and what he did say amounted to platitudes he knew were false. And the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional.

The debate was over, progressives crowed. It was going to happen. Soon they will be eating crow, and Republicans have to position themselves smartly and strategically now to make sure that crow is served up to them on a silver platter.


The roll out of Obamacare has been a disaster that makes “New Coke” look like the iPad. The website rarely works, and when it does, it sends incorrect information to insurers. And when young and healthy people do sign up, they discover they’re going to be paying exponentially more for insurance to subsidize premiums for wealthy retirees.

That last one should stick in the craw of everyone under 35. They will be paying thousands of dollars per year more so retirees who technically have no income but own their homes and are living off savings and investments – which don’t count as income when it comes to subsidies for the “poor.” And they will be paying for this until they reach 65 and go on Medicare, at which point still younger people will be subsidizing them.

In short: Obamacare is a massive wealth “spreading” from the young and struggling to the old and well off.

Add to that Obamacare’s devastating impact on the economy and part-timing of the American workforce, and you can almost see the train flying off the rails.

There will be attempts at bi-partisan “fixes” to some of the more visible problems caused by Obamacare. Republicans and Democrats have been working together to delay or repeal the medical device tax and change the definition of a full-time employee back to 40 hours per week from Obamacare’s 30 – to name just two.

Republicans must resist the urge to help with these “fixes.”

We just spent a month being lectured by arrogant know-it-alls about how Obamacare is “settled law.” So keep it settled.

Obamacare is failing already, and it will continue to fail in more spectacular ways as we move forward, let it.

Democrat wrote the bill, Democrats v**ed for the bill, a Democrat president signed it into law. It’s theirs. Make them live with it. As is.

Do not change one comma, one letter. It’s settled law! This is what they wanted, this is what people v**ed for. If the full failure of Obamacare isn’t allowed to happen, if “fixes” are passed, it will live on in a money-sucking spiral of destruction that will lead to a complete and total government takeover of health care in this country – which is their goal.

It’s going to be painful, but it’s also going to be quick. And the pain will be nothing compared to the damage to the economy and our future if this Frankenstein’s monster is helped to limp into permanency.

Meanwhile, this is also a chance for conservative groups to flex their muscles (and ample money) in a non-circular firing squad way. I have to address them directly now.

Set up a website as a clearinghouse for Obamacare failure stories.

I know you don’t play nice with each other, but get over it. One website, not competing websites – and the focus has to be spreading these collected stories to the media, both national and local. I know you love adding to your email lists, but this can’t be about that. This has to be about spreading the t***h the media will do its damnedest to ignore.

Gather stories from any source possible, including user-submitted. Verify them and record the actual people going through them on video in 30- and 60-second clips. Then blast them out daily to every local media outlet in their area. And post new ones on the site daily. Go around the media like President Reagan used to. Overwhelm them into covering the t***h.

It’s going to take money, but this can’t be a fundraiser for you. Asking people for money is understandable in normal circumstances, but this is not a normal circumstance. Collect stories, film them and get them out there – that is the only purpose here. If you want to win, that is. If you’d rather be the voice of the conservative movement or the Tea Party group, then that’s your priority – not making the country a better place – and I can’t help you.

Republicans have to be united. Conservatives have to be united. If done right, this effort will have no spokesman on TV. It will be a conduit for getting real people with real Obamacare horror stories in front of any camera, at any time, anywhere in the country. It will be a major undertaking, a massive database and possibly the most important thing any or all of you can do over the next year.

Progressives are unified and indignant. They are indifferent to the cost to both the country and individual, and the pain to the individual is, to them, irrelevant. This is about the concept.

To protect their agenda, they will highlight any success story, no matter how dubious. Conservatives must beat them at their own game. They trot out personal stories constantly; we must do the same. If the president gives a speech touting Obamacare in Fresno, Calif., every reporter within 100 miles should be served up a menu of people suffering under it before Air Force One touches the ground.

This is a winnable fight. It’s our fight to win. But if there’s one thing Republicans and conservatives excel at, it’s snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Obamacare is a disaster, not just in code on a website, but in concept and construction. It survives if we allow it to survive. No more delays, no more defunds, and no more changes. Every unconstitutional change the president makes must be immediately met with a court challenge, even if it’s good. It’s his law. It’s his “medicine.” Make him take it.
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Your opinion is nicely argued and well reasoned. I wish you the best of luck with a centralized exchange for anti-ACA views. But with all due respect, the fight you describe above is not winnable. And it has nothing to do with ACA. There is no debate anymore. The debate was over decades ago.

The reality is this country, for the majority, already has socialized medicine without any ACA add-on. And this pool for enrollees will only grow as the nation ages and more poor people are added to medicaid. The numbers speak for themselves. 51 million on medicare. 72 million on medicaid. 16 million federal employees. 20 million state and local. That's 159 million...plus their families on government healthcare.

The era of socialized healthcare has already arrived. The only issue now is who within the population without government healthcare is entitled to the group rates "the other half" already have. And in my opinion, it should be anyone.

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Oct 25, 2013 08:25:26   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
You quickly blame lots of people who are not president or even in government but you completely skip Obama. 'I'll cut the debt in half in the first four years', that didn't happen. If you like it you can keep, flat out lie! T***sparency, not quite when you spy on every American. When you spy on news reporters with facts you can't back up. Oh there there's F&F, Beneghzi, went into Lybiawithout Congress approval, more lobbyists (40+) working in the WH after he said there would be none, didn't close Guantanamo, ordered Boeing to fire 1000 people and the list goes on and on. Strange how your willing to slam Bush but not Obama because many of those policies were quickly adapted only turned up a notch or two.


Poco624 wrote:
Forgive me, for I am going to start a "Liberal rant" because I am sick and tired of reading about how Obama is destroying this country, all the while Congress is running it.

Congress has not passed one jobs bills, they are against immigration even if it will help reduce our deficit. They have not passed one bill that will help our veterans, they vetoed women's right to earn the same as a man doing the same job. It even took them almost a year to pass the VAWA knowing that pregnant women are the most vulnerable to domestic violence.

Yes, I like President Obama he loves peace as much as I do, and I am really sorry that he has a "do nothing" Congress. A president is only as powerful as his Congress, and he doesn't even have one that is worth mentioning.

The people in this country need jobs that pay livable wages, a good education and the freedom to make their own choices. Your party is against all of that and claim to be the party of "freedom", claim to be "Christians", but you are CINO's. You also claim to be the "family" party and yet, denying the right for the immigrants to keep their families together.

I don't know where the following taxes would be coming from had Obama not ended the "Bush Tax Cuts" and started taxing some of the rich. Which, BTW, only happened in January 2013.

The taxpayers are paying $7 billion a year for fast-food workers meals, while they pay their CEO's millions. Walmart makes a 4.5% annual profit off of their employees food stamps. Yes, there is fraud in SNAP and it isn't the people who really need government subsidies, it is the rich corporations.

And the House GOPers have absolutely no problem with this "food stamp fraud" because the money is going to the wealthy corporations. Even after claiming Obama's is spending too much they are still trying to cut food stamps to hungry children.

McDonald's Tells Workers To Get Food Stamps
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/315-19/20040-mcdonalds-tells-workers-to-get-food-stamps

Reagan's "Welfare Queen" Found! And it is Walmart!
http://t***h-out.org/opinion/item/13127-reagans-welfare-queen-found

Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, v**ed for Obama because if Romney won we would have gone war with Iran. Romney said if he won president he would increase the Navy's ships to 350, after complaining about Obama's deficit.

How Big Should The U.S. Navy Be?
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/22/163419358/what-does-the-navys-size-tells-about-u-s-power

Now, remember, under a Republican president only the poor will be paying taxes and those ships would have definitely increased the deficit.

The GOP's Bizarre, Disturbing Passion For Raising Taxes On The Poor
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/06/the-gops-bizarre-disturbing-passion-for-raising-taxes-on-the-poor/258126/
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Oct 25, 2013 08:33:18   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
It's the law! Yep, a law that half baked, doesn't work and has been rewritten since it went through the courts. Oh where's plenty of debate and after 25 days of failure it's up to 650 million and counting.



jasfourth401 wrote:
Your opinion is nicely argued and well reasoned. I wish you the best of luck with a centralized exchange for anti-ACA views. But with all due respect, the fight you describe above is not winnable. And it has nothing to do with ACA. There is no debate anymore. The debate was over decades ago.

The reality is this country, for the majority, already has socialized medicine without any ACA add-on. And this pool for enrollees will only grow as the nation ages and more poor people are added to medicaid. The numbers speak for themselves. 51 million on medicare. 72 million on medicaid. 16 million federal employees. 20 million state and local. That's 159 million...plus their families on government healthcare.

The era of socialized healthcare has already arrived. The only issue now is who within the population without government healthcare is entitled to the group rates "the other half" already have. And in my opinion, it should be anyone.
Your opinion is nicely argued and well reasoned. ... (show quote)

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Oct 25, 2013 13:00:00   #
Poco624
 
bmac32 wrote:
You quickly blame lots of people who are not president or even in government but you completely skip Obama. 'I'll cut the debt in half in the first four years', that didn't happen. If you like it you can keep, flat out lie! T***sparency, not quite when you spy on every American. When you spy on news reporters with facts you can't back up. Oh there there's F&F, Beneghzi, went into Lybiawithout Congress approval, more lobbyists (40+) working in the WH after he said there would be none, didn't close Guantanamo, ordered Boeing to fire 1000 people and the list goes on and on. Strange how your willing to slam Bush but not Obama because many of those policies were quickly adapted only turned up a notch or two.
You quickly blame lots of people who are not presi... (show quote)


I haven't blamed anyone except for Congress. Yes, Obama did say he was going to cut the deficit in half and the Republicans wouldn't let him stop the "Bush's Tax Cuts". Those did not end until January 2013, you will see the deficit coming down faster now. In other words only the poor were paying taxes when Obama took office, and you will not get much revenue from people who have very little money.

Look, the Democrats did not want Bush's "Patriot Act" passed and they did not shut the government down to get their way. Even now some of the Dems now are not happy about NSA, and Obama is doing the exact thing that Bush did and getting more of the blame. How quickly memories fade.

If you use Gmail, Google will be reading your emails. I have signed a couple of petitions to get them to stop and I do not know if they have or not. I know my Republican cousin uses Gmail and he hasn't stopped. So, my guess is he is not that concerned, but he is concerned about NSA.

Obama Administration: Libya Action Does Not Require Congressional Approval
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-06-15/politics/35234248_1_libya-operation-libya-campaign-libya-action

Again, Congress cut $300 million from the embassy security in B******i and expected it to run like a Rolex. The embassy security was outsourced to the Libyans. I saw a security video from the embassy about a week after it was attacked; it showed the Libyans jumping into their trucks and taking off after the attack started. You can't get good security for no pay.

GOP Rep: I Absolutely V**ed To Cut Funding For Embassy Security
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/

I also got anti-Obama emails from my Republican cousin that showed the Libyans carrying Amb. Stevens over their shoulders to a hospital, some showed him sitting on the road. And his emails claimed that they were d**gging Stevens through the streets, this after it was on the news saying otherwise. This is how lies get started.

Yes, Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo and again Congress holds the purse and will not let him have the money to close the most expensive prison in the world. It cost taxpayers $800 thousand for each prisoner to be kept there; if they were in the United States it would cost $23 thousand for each prisoner. Lindsay Graham summed it all up when he said "We do not want those k*****g bastards living in the United States." This sends the message to other nations that we cannot take care of our criminals.

Again, since Congress holds the purse they would not let the Obama administration have the money needed to hire the professionals needed to program ObamaCare and now they are blaming that on Obama also. Hey, you wanted the deficit cut and Congress will be more than happy to do that and then complain about their "handy work".

Not Social Security, Medicare, Medicare Part D, nor ObamaCare have had easy rollouts.

Rachel Maddow points out that despite the hypocrisy of politicians like Rep. Joe Barton, the sudden Republican concern for Obamacare could help the program.

GOP Accidently Helps Improve ObamaCare - video
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/53369338

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Oct 25, 2013 15:20:58   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Do NOT point at the republicans, Obama had both houses for two freaking years as he knew full well what wasin place. Yeah sure only the poor paid taxes, fact is the botton 46% paid no taxes.

Feingold was the only democrat who v**ed against the Patriot Act. Obama took that act and put it on steroids same thing for F&F, same for NSA.

That 300,000 was not from the embassy, that discretionary spending, that means the president picks and chooses.

Poco624 wrote:
I haven't blamed anyone except for Congress. Yes, Obama did say he was going to cut the deficit in half and the Republicans wouldn't let him stop the "Bush's Tax Cuts". Those did not end until January 2013, you will see the deficit coming down faster now. In other words only the poor were paying taxes when Obama took office, and you will not get much revenue from people who have very little money.

Look, the Democrats did not want Bush's "Patriot Act" passed and they did not shut the government down to get their way. Even now some of the Dems now are not happy about NSA, and Obama is doing the exact thing that Bush did and getting more of the blame. How quickly memories fade.

If you use Gmail, Google will be reading your emails. I have signed a couple of petitions to get them to stop and I do not know if they have or not. I know my Republican cousin uses Gmail and he hasn't stopped. So, my guess is he is not that concerned, but he is concerned about NSA.

Obama Administration: Libya Action Does Not Require Congressional Approval
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-06-15/politics/35234248_1_libya-operation-libya-campaign-libya-action

Again, Congress cut $300 million from the embassy security in B******i and expected it to run like a Rolex. The embassy security was outsourced to the Libyans. I saw a security video from the embassy about a week after it was attacked; it showed the Libyans jumping into their trucks and taking off after the attack started. You can't get good security for no pay.

GOP Rep: I Absolutely V**ed To Cut Funding For Embassy Security
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/

I also got anti-Obama emails from my Republican cousin that showed the Libyans carrying Amb. Stevens over their shoulders to a hospital, some showed him sitting on the road. And his emails claimed that they were d**gging Stevens through the streets, this after it was on the news saying otherwise. This is how lies get started.

Yes, Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo and again Congress holds the purse and will not let him have the money to close the most expensive prison in the world. It cost taxpayers $800 thousand for each prisoner to be kept there; if they were in the United States it would cost $23 thousand for each prisoner. Lindsay Graham summed it all up when he said "We do not want those k*****g bastards living in the United States." This sends the message to other nations that we cannot take care of our criminals.

Again, since Congress holds the purse they would not let the Obama administration have the money needed to hire the professionals needed to program ObamaCare and now they are blaming that on Obama also. Hey, you wanted the deficit cut and Congress will be more than happy to do that and then complain about their "handy work".

Not Social Security, Medicare, Medicare Part D, nor ObamaCare have had easy rollouts.

Rachel Maddow points out that despite the hypocrisy of politicians like Rep. Joe Barton, the sudden Republican concern for Obamacare could help the program.

GOP Accidently Helps Improve ObamaCare - video
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/53369338
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