Where does Faith come from?
Mar 20, 2016 17:02:47 #
Mar 20, 2016 17:14:16 #
Singularity wrote:
Just wondering what y'all think on the subject.
faith came from the words of GOD, our creator, as spoken to the prophets to inform the Israel nation of things to be done and things that were to come about. as th birth , teachings and death and reserection of JESUS CHRIST our Lord and Savior.
Mar 20, 2016 19:12:38 #
Singularity wrote:
It's a gift from God. It's free and all you have to do is accept it.Just wondering what y'all think on the subject.
It gives serenity to those choose wisely.
Mar 20, 2016 19:14:05 #
Mar 20, 2016 19:17:04 #
Mar 20, 2016 19:54:11 #
no propaganda please
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Singularity wrote:
Just wondering what y'all think on the subject.
I think that people naturally have a need to believe in God. If, for what ever reason this believe is driven out the human soul substitutes something else in its place but somewhere inside the still small voice whispers "God loves you, do not reject His love" and the faith can come back with its belief. Unfortunately for those whose lives have been hard, lonely and painful, other things can take the place of God, and self loathing, loneliness and the emptiness of spirit fill the dark places in the heart with despair. It was that way for me through my childhood and was the same for many of the kids we work with. It is as if the faith in God is captured in a plastic bag of anger and the bag must be broken for the love of God to return to the heart that longs so much for His guiding hand.
Mar 20, 2016 21:56:50 #
Singularity wrote:
Just wondering what y'all think on the subject.
It is not necessary to believe in God in order to have faith.
The literal definition of the term "Faith" is precisely why every single human has faith.
But to understand it, you don't need a sermon by some over zealous Christian.
What I have faith in is, me.
And the God I believe in is my own business.
I don't need to d**g out my God to do what He has already given me the power to do for myself.
So from me to you, Faith is yours to do what you please .
Mar 21, 2016 10:54:57 #
Geno36
Loc: Texas
Everyone has faith. It is simply one system of perception available to all. Empiricism and rationalism are the other two systems available to us.
Probably 90% of the total knowledge one has in their head got there by faith. For instance do you believe man walked on the moon. Unless you are one of the astronauts who were there then you accepted it on faith.
The scripture teaches that if one wants to be saved from sin then faith alone in Jesus Christ alone is the Way. You can believe it or not. The Creator gave us all free will.
You have everything to gain and everything to lose.
Probably 90% of the total knowledge one has in their head got there by faith. For instance do you believe man walked on the moon. Unless you are one of the astronauts who were there then you accepted it on faith.
The scripture teaches that if one wants to be saved from sin then faith alone in Jesus Christ alone is the Way. You can believe it or not. The Creator gave us all free will.
You have everything to gain and everything to lose.
Mar 22, 2016 07:38:49 #
It is for me what it is as defined~~~complete trust or confidence in someone or something.....
"Simply Believe"..........What, is your choice........ :thumbup:
"Simply Believe"..........What, is your choice........ :thumbup:
Mar 22, 2016 07:39:19 #
Wolf counselor wrote:
It is not necessary to believe in God in order to ... (show quote)
:thumbup: :thumbup: Well said.........
Mar 23, 2016 20:38:03 #
So. Faith comes from the words of GOD? (possibly via Amazon.com, but definitely free shipping, if not a free gift!)
Would it not have to coincide with hearing but be separate from simply hearing and understanding since it is obvious that hearing the story of the Bible does not always automatically produce Faith in every person? And since hearing the words of other culture's Holy Books often produces faith in OTHER gods besides Yahweh, this process is not specific to any one true god. Where does the faith come from that confirms that only one particular myth, that of YAHWEH, should be the only such myth that should be believed by faith?
If hearing or reading a story about a god results in one deciding to accept the god and the god's words as true, despite no evidence or evidence to the contrary, did not one already have faith! Is it not Faith that predisposed to belief? Why do some have the ability to have faith while others do not? Where does it come from?
NPP claims there is a natural human need to believe in God and that doing so will help one heal from childhood abuse and neglect. I would agree there is a natural human inclination to social interaction, family and community. But I have observed and assisted numerous other humans heal from horrible abuses and neglect through my career as a practicing general psychiatrist without any necessary intervention by religious practice. Healing does allow one to more freely access emotions and interact positively with others. I would assume such healing would make one more able to access the religious emotional basics as well. I suspect the "natural human need" NPP and others point out is just that same overarching human need for connection, family and community that is seen in all people, religious or not. In other words, it is the need for community which produces the Faith in community beliefs and practices, no gods needed! Because of unyielding faith in their own version of Faith, people fight, TO THE DEATH AT TIMES, over which conflicting "Revelation of T***h" is ultimately correct!
Wolf Counselor's advice is characteristically obtuse and personal, not particularly warm and fuzzy and not specific to religious faith (which to be fair, was not specified by the question.) While I appreciate the response, I am more interested in religious faith so I will capitalize the word to, in the course of this thread, delineate religious "Faith" from faith in general.
Another view is that faith/Faith is a natural system of perception, that as we cannot observe every aspect of a happening, we assume things and believe things we have not observed to the degree that the claims are natural and probable. The problem with this definition is that it describes CONFIDENCE level, not blind Faith. And it is clearly understood that when believers in non religious issues obtain new information that refutes or embellishes the confidence they feel in their belief, there is a corresponding change or refutation in the belief system.
This conflation of Faith and confidence is problematic, since confidence is a relative quality related to the degree in which our expectations comport to the reality we observe, it's probability of being found true, and is changeable, while on the other hand, Faith is an absolute acceptance, in total, of the eternal t***h of an issue and is not subject to change or revision, (although it can reportedly be "lost" and "found".) It includes belief in events and issues which are improbable or impossible or for which there is contravening evidence, all of which would decrease or obviate confidence, but curiously seem to sometimes STRENGTHEN the experience of Faith!
So.
What is the source of the "answering response of belief" known as Faith, in humans, to the stimulus of comprehending the "words of god(s)?"
What makes some accept a religious story by Faith while others reject it as obvious fallacy?
Does the God do anything more than make the "Words" available to a human?
Are some humans naturally imbued with some godmagic that allows Faith to occur, while others are not?
Has the omnipotent omniscient God predetermined who will have the ability to experience Faith and who will not?
Does the God imbue some with Faith as those ones hear the Word, but not others for some discernable reason?
Are some persons' journey through the maze of life happenings and experiences of their own personal "God's Perfect Plan," equal to all others' experiences in preparing them to respond with trust and Faith to the hearing the Word?
Thank you all for your input. Some answers seem to suggest more questions than solutions!
Would it not have to coincide with hearing but be separate from simply hearing and understanding since it is obvious that hearing the story of the Bible does not always automatically produce Faith in every person? And since hearing the words of other culture's Holy Books often produces faith in OTHER gods besides Yahweh, this process is not specific to any one true god. Where does the faith come from that confirms that only one particular myth, that of YAHWEH, should be the only such myth that should be believed by faith?
If hearing or reading a story about a god results in one deciding to accept the god and the god's words as true, despite no evidence or evidence to the contrary, did not one already have faith! Is it not Faith that predisposed to belief? Why do some have the ability to have faith while others do not? Where does it come from?
NPP claims there is a natural human need to believe in God and that doing so will help one heal from childhood abuse and neglect. I would agree there is a natural human inclination to social interaction, family and community. But I have observed and assisted numerous other humans heal from horrible abuses and neglect through my career as a practicing general psychiatrist without any necessary intervention by religious practice. Healing does allow one to more freely access emotions and interact positively with others. I would assume such healing would make one more able to access the religious emotional basics as well. I suspect the "natural human need" NPP and others point out is just that same overarching human need for connection, family and community that is seen in all people, religious or not. In other words, it is the need for community which produces the Faith in community beliefs and practices, no gods needed! Because of unyielding faith in their own version of Faith, people fight, TO THE DEATH AT TIMES, over which conflicting "Revelation of T***h" is ultimately correct!
Wolf Counselor's advice is characteristically obtuse and personal, not particularly warm and fuzzy and not specific to religious faith (which to be fair, was not specified by the question.) While I appreciate the response, I am more interested in religious faith so I will capitalize the word to, in the course of this thread, delineate religious "Faith" from faith in general.
Another view is that faith/Faith is a natural system of perception, that as we cannot observe every aspect of a happening, we assume things and believe things we have not observed to the degree that the claims are natural and probable. The problem with this definition is that it describes CONFIDENCE level, not blind Faith. And it is clearly understood that when believers in non religious issues obtain new information that refutes or embellishes the confidence they feel in their belief, there is a corresponding change or refutation in the belief system.
This conflation of Faith and confidence is problematic, since confidence is a relative quality related to the degree in which our expectations comport to the reality we observe, it's probability of being found true, and is changeable, while on the other hand, Faith is an absolute acceptance, in total, of the eternal t***h of an issue and is not subject to change or revision, (although it can reportedly be "lost" and "found".) It includes belief in events and issues which are improbable or impossible or for which there is contravening evidence, all of which would decrease or obviate confidence, but curiously seem to sometimes STRENGTHEN the experience of Faith!
So.
What is the source of the "answering response of belief" known as Faith, in humans, to the stimulus of comprehending the "words of god(s)?"
What makes some accept a religious story by Faith while others reject it as obvious fallacy?
Does the God do anything more than make the "Words" available to a human?
Are some humans naturally imbued with some godmagic that allows Faith to occur, while others are not?
Has the omnipotent omniscient God predetermined who will have the ability to experience Faith and who will not?
Does the God imbue some with Faith as those ones hear the Word, but not others for some discernable reason?
Are some persons' journey through the maze of life happenings and experiences of their own personal "God's Perfect Plan," equal to all others' experiences in preparing them to respond with trust and Faith to the hearing the Word?
Thank you all for your input. Some answers seem to suggest more questions than solutions!
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