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Mar 16, 2016 20:51:55   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
I can think of one poster this describes to a T......can you name him?




Certain personality traits where pathological lying may occur include:

Narcissism or self-centered behaviors and thought patterns
Selfishness
Abusive attitude
Obsessive, controlling, and compulsive behaviors
Impulsivity
Aggressiveness
Jealous behavior
Manipulative behaviors
Deceptiveness
Socially awkward, uncomfortable, or isolated
Low self-esteem
Tempermentalness
Anger


It is important to keep in mind that there are pathological liars who quite frankly just cannot help telling so many lies. It is almost like an automatic thing for the liar. Their world is much different from our world. But there are also liars who are gratified by telling lies, are good at it, and do not regret anything they have ever said. These individuals are “sk**lful” liars who attempt to evade and harm everyone they come across in their lives. In fact, these liars would meet diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder (or sociopathy). They also tell t***hs in ways that give incorrect perspectives. In other words, they tell the t***h in a misleading way to cause people to view things in an incorrect fashion. Such individuals enjoy and get much gratification from keeping you confused and believing their stories. It is the experience of watching a “victim” run through the maze of confusion that gives gratification to most liars.

I encourage you to keep 6 things in mind as you deal with a pathological liar:

Know that a pathological liar will study you: The goal of the liar may be hidden, but you can count on the fact that the they don’t want you to know the t***h. In order to evade someone, you certainly need to study the person and examine what that person might or might not believe. Liars, often sociopaths, are known to “study” the person they hope to take advantage of. In other words, they look for weaknesses.
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’t you just tell me the t***h? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the t***h. The liar lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
All liars do not do the common things you think liars do: Believe it or not, liars do not always touch their nose, shift in their seats or from one foot to the next, or even look sneaky when lying. Some really experienced liars are good at giving you direct eye contact, seeming relaxed or “laid back,” and may appear very sociable. The thing to look for is eye contact that feels piercing. Some sociopaths have learned how to evade people with direct eye contact, sociable smiles, and humor. Trust your instincts and discernment. What do their eyes tell you? What does their behavior or laughter tell you?
The most sneaky liars are manipulative: I once heard someone say “we all manipulate.” While this might be true to a certain degree, the liar tends to manipulate more than anyone else and has learned how to become a “pro” at doing it. There is nothing impressive about the dangerous or evil manipulator. They know everything to say and do, they know what you want and don’t want, and again, they will “study” you. In fact, many pathological liars (and sociopaths) use sexual or emotional arousal to distract you from the t***h. Proceed with caution when dealing with someone who seems to be directing their attention to you in such a way as to stimulate your arousal to distract you. That arousal could be psychological (peaking your interest), emotional (causing you to feel connected to them), or sexual.
Pathological liars exhibit strange behaviors: Can you remember how you felt, perhaps as a child or teen, after you were caught lying to a teacher, a parent, or friend? Did you feel guilty, sad, or afraid that the other person would no longer accept you? Some research suggests that pathological liars show no discomfort when caught lying, while other studies suggest that liars may become aggressive and angry when caught. The bottom line is that no pathological liar is the same.

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Mar 16, 2016 21:18:43   #
son of witless
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
I can think of one poster this describes to a T......can you name him?




Certain personality traits where pathological lying may occur include:

Narcissism or self-centered behaviors and thought patterns
Selfishness
Abusive attitude
Obsessive, controlling, and compulsive behaviors
Impulsivity
Aggressiveness
Jealous behavior
Manipulative behaviors
Deceptiveness
Socially awkward, uncomfortable, or isolated
Low self-esteem
Tempermentalness
Anger


It is important to keep in mind that there are pathological liars who quite frankly just cannot help telling so many lies. It is almost like an automatic thing for the liar. Their world is much different from our world. But there are also liars who are gratified by telling lies, are good at it, and do not regret anything they have ever said. These individuals are “sk**lful” liars who attempt to evade and harm everyone they come across in their lives. In fact, these liars would meet diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder (or sociopathy). They also tell t***hs in ways that give incorrect perspectives. In other words, they tell the t***h in a misleading way to cause people to view things in an incorrect fashion. Such individuals enjoy and get much gratification from keeping you confused and believing their stories. It is the experience of watching a “victim” run through the maze of confusion that gives gratification to most liars.

I encourage you to keep 6 things in mind as you deal with a pathological liar:

Know that a pathological liar will study you: The goal of the liar may be hidden, but you can count on the fact that the they don’t want you to know the t***h. In order to evade someone, you certainly need to study the person and examine what that person might or might not believe. Liars, often sociopaths, are known to “study” the person they hope to take advantage of. In other words, they look for weaknesses.
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’t you just tell me the t***h? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the t***h. The liar lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
All liars do not do the common things you think liars do: Believe it or not, liars do not always touch their nose, shift in their seats or from one foot to the next, or even look sneaky when lying. Some really experienced liars are good at giving you direct eye contact, seeming relaxed or “laid back,” and may appear very sociable. The thing to look for is eye contact that feels piercing. Some sociopaths have learned how to evade people with direct eye contact, sociable smiles, and humor. Trust your instincts and discernment. What do their eyes tell you? What does their behavior or laughter tell you?
The most sneaky liars are manipulative: I once heard someone say “we all manipulate.” While this might be true to a certain degree, the liar tends to manipulate more than anyone else and has learned how to become a “pro” at doing it. There is nothing impressive about the dangerous or evil manipulator. They know everything to say and do, they know what you want and don’t want, and again, they will “study” you. In fact, many pathological liars (and sociopaths) use sexual or emotional arousal to distract you from the t***h. Proceed with caution when dealing with someone who seems to be directing their attention to you in such a way as to stimulate your arousal to distract you. That arousal could be psychological (peaking your interest), emotional (causing you to feel connected to them), or sexual.
Pathological liars exhibit strange behaviors: Can you remember how you felt, perhaps as a child or teen, after you were caught lying to a teacher, a parent, or friend? Did you feel guilty, sad, or afraid that the other person would no longer accept you? Some research suggests that pathological liars show no discomfort when caught lying, while other studies suggest that liars may become aggressive and angry when caught. The bottom line is that no pathological liar is the same.
I can think of one poster this describes to a T...... (show quote)


Then you have the pathological believer. They are so caught up in a personality cult that they cannot be persuaded that their idol is lying.

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Mar 16, 2016 21:21:06   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Then you have the pathological believer. They are so caught up in a personality cult that they cannot be persuaded that their idol is lying.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

160,000,000 of those i think.

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Mar 17, 2016 00:31:51   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
KHH1? Yep! Kevyn YEP....Cool Breeze...YEP! Payne 1000 YEP the "whole2th"...YEP......."3jackoffs" yep...."Anigav (the ZERO) yep!

I am sure there are a few others I have left out...we can add them later gator! Haha!

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Mar 17, 2016 00:46:27   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
son of witless wrote:
Then you have the pathological believer. They are so caught up in a personality cult that they cannot be persuaded that their idol is lying.


Amen to that!

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Mar 17, 2016 05:46:42   #
Ve'hoe
 
It is the lie of liberalism,,, thats why they h**e me so badly,,, I dont give in to the weakminded ideology of race hatred,,,,

they dont have any proof,,,, of anything a white person has done to them,,, nothing,, they make it up, so they can fit in,, with other militants,, but it isnt right.

The same goes on in the tribes,,,,, they recruit you to join their h**e,, which covers up the laziness, sloth, and lack of performance,,,,,

If, as a minority, you do that,,, they are vicious,,, but fortunately, knowing the t***h sets you above them, and free of them,, but it isnt easy,, if you upset a patholgical liar, a person with no empathy,, the sociopath might try to k**l you,,,,,,


America Only wrote:
KHH1? Yep! Kevyn YEP....Cool Breeze...YEP! Payne 1000 YEP the "whole2th"...YEP......."3jackoffs" yep...."Anigav (the ZERO) yep!

I am sure there are a few others I have left out...we can add them later gator! Haha!

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Mar 17, 2016 05:54:44   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
It is the lie of liberalism,,, thats why they h**e me so badly,,, I dont give in to the weakminded ideology of race hatred,,,,

they dont have any proof,,,, of anything a white person has done to them,,, nothing,, they make it up, so they can fit in,, with other militants,, but it isnt right.

The same goes on in the tribes,,,,, they recruit you to join their h**e,, which covers up the laziness, sloth, and lack of performance,,,,,

If, as a minority, you do that,,, they are vicious,,, but fortunately, knowing the t***h sets you above them, and free of them,, but it isnt easy,, if you upset a patholgical liar, a person with no empathy,, the sociopath might try to k**l you,,,,,,
It is the lie of liberalism,,, thats why they h**e... (show quote)




Well said Ve'hoe...keep on keeping on brother!

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Mar 17, 2016 14:31:22   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
I can think of one poster this describes to a T......can you name him?




Certain personality traits where pathological lying may occur include:

Narcissism or self-centered behaviors and thought patterns
Selfishness
Abusive attitude
Obsessive, controlling, and compulsive behaviors
Impulsivity
Aggressiveness
Jealous behavior
Manipulative behaviors
Deceptiveness
Socially awkward, uncomfortable, or isolated
Low self-esteem
Tempermentalness
Anger


It is important to keep in mind that there are pathological liars who quite frankly just cannot help telling so many lies. It is almost like an automatic thing for the liar. Their world is much different from our world. But there are also liars who are gratified by telling lies, are good at it, and do not regret anything they have ever said. These individuals are “sk**lful” liars who attempt to evade and harm everyone they come across in their lives. In fact, these liars would meet diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder (or sociopathy). They also tell t***hs in ways that give incorrect perspectives. In other words, they tell the t***h in a misleading way to cause people to view things in an incorrect fashion. Such individuals enjoy and get much gratification from keeping you confused and believing their stories. It is the experience of watching a “victim” run through the maze of confusion that gives gratification to most liars.

I encourage you to keep 6 things in mind as you deal with a pathological liar:

Know that a pathological liar will study you: The goal of the liar may be hidden, but you can count on the fact that the they don’t want you to know the t***h. In order to evade someone, you certainly need to study the person and examine what that person might or might not believe. Liars, often sociopaths, are known to “study” the person they hope to take advantage of. In other words, they look for weaknesses.
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’t you just tell me the t***h? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the t***h. The liar lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
All liars do not do the common things you think liars do: Believe it or not, liars do not always touch their nose, shift in their seats or from one foot to the next, or even look sneaky when lying. Some really experienced liars are good at giving you direct eye contact, seeming relaxed or “laid back,” and may appear very sociable. The thing to look for is eye contact that feels piercing. Some sociopaths have learned how to evade people with direct eye contact, sociable smiles, and humor. Trust your instincts and discernment. What do their eyes tell you? What does their behavior or laughter tell you?
The most sneaky liars are manipulative: I once heard someone say “we all manipulate.” While this might be true to a certain degree, the liar tends to manipulate more than anyone else and has learned how to become a “pro” at doing it. There is nothing impressive about the dangerous or evil manipulator. They know everything to say and do, they know what you want and don’t want, and again, they will “study” you. In fact, many pathological liars (and sociopaths) use sexual or emotional arousal to distract you from the t***h. Proceed with caution when dealing with someone who seems to be directing their attention to you in such a way as to stimulate your arousal to distract you. That arousal could be psychological (peaking your interest), emotional (causing you to feel connected to them), or sexual.
Pathological liars exhibit strange behaviors: Can you remember how you felt, perhaps as a child or teen, after you were caught lying to a teacher, a parent, or friend? Did you feel guilty, sad, or afraid that the other person would no longer accept you? Some research suggests that pathological liars show no discomfort when caught lying, while other studies suggest that liars may become aggressive and angry when caught. The bottom line is that no pathological liar is the same.
I can think of one poster this describes to a T...... (show quote)


I can think of more than one, which makes it rather pathetic.......Regardless of that, what you say here nails it, wills... :thumbup: :thumbup:

Here are a few~~~ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



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Mar 17, 2016 14:39:07   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
I can think of more than one, which makes it rather pathetic.......Regardless of that, what you say here nails it, wills... :thumbup: :thumbup:

Here are a few~~~ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:




I like it...sheep in camo, nothing as cool as that LJ

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Mar 17, 2016 14:47:46   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
lindajoy wrote:
I can think of more than one, which makes it rather pathetic.......Regardless of that, what you say here nails it, wills... :thumbup: :thumbup:

Here are a few~~~ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


I've from Blarney , Ireland.. Well my ancesters are .. well I've been told that by a distant relative , well he was drinking green beer at the time , well , he was kinda drunk , real drunk,, well I was kinda drunk , real drunk ,, well what were we talking about ?? Happy St. Patricks Day :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Mar 17, 2016 14:54:28   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
I like it...sheep in camo, nothing as cool as that LJ


Does this remind you of anyone??? :wink:





Tis be the willsssssssss
Tis be the willsssssssss...

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Mar 17, 2016 15:03:29   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Does this remind you of anyone??? :wink:




Hey...i just blame the dog, why i keep a big one around :shock: :shock:

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Mar 17, 2016 15:13:42   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
reconreb wrote:
I've from Blarney , Ireland.. Well my ancesters are .. well I've been told that by a distant relative , well he was drinking green beer at the time , well , he was kinda drunk , real drunk,, well I was kinda drunk , real drunk ,, well what were we talking about ?? Happy St. Patricks Day :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


recon, my friend, Happy, Happy to you and yours too~~~And all that were a wee parched and drank not enough to remember we are all of the Irish, every one of us, especially this day~~

According to Irish legends, people lucky enough to find a leprechaun and capture him (or, in some stories, steal his magical ring, coin or amulet) can barter his freedom for his treasure. Leprechauns are usually said to be able to grant the person three wishes. But dealing with leprechauns can be a tricky proposition....The more we drink the more we promise~~~ :lol:



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Mar 17, 2016 16:06:01   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
lindajoy wrote:
recon, my friend, Happy, Happy to you and yours too~~~And all that were a wee parched and drank not enough to remember we are all of the Irish, every one of us, especially this day~~

According to Irish legends, people lucky enough to find a leprechaun and capture him (or, in some stories, steal his magical ring, coin or amulet) can barter his freedom for his treasure. Leprechauns are usually said to be able to grant the person three wishes. But dealing with leprechauns can be a tricky proposition....The more we drink the more we promise~~~ :lol:
recon, my friend, Happy, Happy to you and yours to... (show quote)


My god!! how did you get into my childhood photo's ?? :lol:

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Mar 17, 2016 16:10:46   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
reconreb wrote:
My god!! how did you get into my childhood photo's ?? :lol:


lolololll, I was peeken~~~ah, no, not me, that dang leppie was playen in it~~

Here ya go, recon~~


Mrs. Donovan was walking down
O'Connell Street in Dublin when
She met up with Father Flaherty.

The Father said, 'Top o' the mornin'
To ye! Aren't ye Mrs. Donovan
And didn't I marry ye and yer
Hoosband two years ago?'

She replied, 'Aye, that ye did, Father.'
The Father asked, 'And be there
Any wee little ones yet?'

She replied, 'No, not yet, Father.'

The Father said, 'Well now,
I'm going to Rome next week
And I'll light a fertility candle for ye And yer hoosband.'

She replied, 'Oh, thank ye, Father...'
They then parted ways..

Some years later they met again.
The Father asked, 'Well now,
Mrs. Donovan, how are ye these days?'
She replied, 'Oh, very well, Father!'
The Father asked, 'And tell me ,
Have ye any wee ones yet?'

She replied, 'Oh yes, Father!

Two sets of twins and six singles,
Ten in all!'

The Father said, 'That's wonderful!
And how is yer loving hoosband doing?'

She replied, 'E's gone to Rome
To blow out yer fookin' candle.'

HAPPY ST. PATRICK’S DAY!!!! :wink: :wink:

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