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Wh**ever happened to the massive lawsuits saying Cruz is not a citizen able to be POTUS?
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Mar 15, 2016 20:54:55   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Trump threatened and backed down.

One poster here (I forget which conspiracy guy.. maybe eagleye?) Said that he personally researched it and was forwarding his findings to the lawyers that know ten-thousand times more than him about it.

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Mar 16, 2016 01:00:39   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Super Dave wrote:
Trump threatened and backed down.

One poster here (I forget which conspiracy guy.. maybe eagleye?) Said that he personally researched it and was forwarding his findings to the lawyers that know ten-thousand times more than him about it.
Cruz is elgible or he would not be running period. Personally I am glad his citizenship is not challenged. My mother was an i*****l i*******t from Canada until I was 8 years old. I was born in the USA I am not a Canadian.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 16, 2016 03:30:19   #
L8erToots
 
Super Dave wrote:
Trump threatened and backed down.

One poster here (I forget which conspiracy guy.. maybe eagleye?) Said that he personally researched it and was forwarding his findings to the lawyers that know ten-thousand times more than him about it.


http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/who-decides-whether-someone-is-qualified-for-the-office-of-president-of-the-united-states/

According to Publius Huldah, under the Constitution as written, it is Congress’ job to make the call, NOT an issue for the federal courts to decide:

By Publius Huldah
According to the original intent of our Constitution, Ted Cruz & Marco Rubio are not eligible to be President because their fathers weren’t US citizens at the times they were born. So they are not “natural born citizens”.
So! How is this handled? Who calls it?  Who makes the ruling? Do we “file a lawsuit” and let federal judges decide? “Slap your hands!”, our Framers would say. They would say, “READ THE CONSTITUTION AND SEE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!”
[Our lives would be so much simpler – and our Country so much better off – if we read & supported our Constitution.]
Read the 12th Amendment. That sets forth the procedures for e******n of President and VP. Note that E*****RS are supposed to be the ones making the se******n – not The People. [There is a reason for that.]  For an illustration of how this works, go HERE and read the subheadings,  “E*****rs” Appointed by States Were To Choose The President!  and The 12th Amendment Establishes Procedures For V****g By E*****rs.
So! Assume we followed the Constitution on this issue and we get to the part where Congress is counting the v**es as provided by 12th Amendment. And Lo! Congress discovers that the person who got the most v**es for President is NOT QUALIFIED by reason of age, or not being a natural born citizen, or not having been for at least 14 years a Resident within the United States.
Obviously, it’s Congress’ job to make the ruling – to make the call – on whether the President and VP – selected by the E*****RS – are qualified under Art. II, Sec. 1, clause 5.
So what happens if Congress finds that the person with the most v**es for President is not qualified? We look to Sec. 3 of the 20th Amendment. It tells us what happens. If the President elect has failed to qualify, then the VP elect shall act as President… Now, read the rest of that Section. We would also need to see whether Congress has made any of the authorized laws providing for such contingencies.
So, under the Constitution as written, it is Congress’ job to make the call as to whether the President elect and the VP elect are qualified.
This is NOT an issue for the federal courts to decide. That is because this is a “political question” – not a “legal question”. The power to make the ruling as to whether the president elect or the VP elect are qualified has been delegated to CONGRESS. Traditionally, federal courts have “abstained” from deciding “political questions”.
We study this in our first year constitutional law class, when we study judicial “abstention” from certain kinds of cases including cases which involve “political questions” or the exercise of powers delegated to the Legislative or Executive branches. When a power is delegated to one of the “political branches” (Legislative or Executive), the federal courts (the “legal branch”) have traditionally declined to interfere and substitute their judgment for that of the “political branch” to which the Power was delegated.
And what if Congress gives an ineligible person a pass – as they did with obama? WELL THEN, SHAME ON US – BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES WHO ELECTED THOSE IGNORANT COWARDS TO OFFICE!

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Mar 16, 2016 08:42:18   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Trump threatened and backed down.

One poster here (I forget which conspiracy guy.. maybe eagleye?) Said that he personally researched it and was forwarding his findings to the lawyers that know ten-thousand times more than him about it.


The same thing that happened to Obama's lawsuits:

Nothing

Because the constitution doesn't define natural born citizen.

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Mar 16, 2016 12:35:17   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
The same thing that happened to Obama's lawsuits:

Nothing

Because the constitution doesn't define natural born citizen.
neither case had merit

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Mar 16, 2016 13:39:19   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Super Dave wrote:
neither case had merit


Yup

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Mar 16, 2016 14:00:28   #
TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon
 
Actually these cases did make it before a judges.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/03/11/pennsylvania-judge-rules-that-ted-cruz-is-eligible-to-run-for-president/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/03/01/judge-dismisses-ted-cruz-illinois-citizenship-lawsuit/81153054/

Additionally,
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/ted-cruz-citizenship-fight-president-2016-213660

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Mar 16, 2016 14:04:21   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 


...and the outcome....?

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Mar 16, 2016 17:34:26   #
Homestead
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Cruz is elgible or he would not be running period. Personally I am glad his citizenship is not challenged. My mother was an i*****l i*******t from Canada until I was 8 years old. I was born in the USA I am not a Canadian.

:thumbup: :thumbup:


That makes you a Naturalized citizen.

Not a Natural-Born-Citizen.

You are not eligible to run for the presidency of the United States.

And neither is Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio or Barack Obama!

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Mar 16, 2016 17:36:19   #
Homestead
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
The same thing that happened to Obama's lawsuits:

Nothing

Because the constitution doesn't define natural born citizen.


The Constitution is not a dictionary.

The definition was known to our forefathers and that definition still holds.

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Mar 16, 2016 21:10:16   #
Radiance3
 
L8erToots wrote:
http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/who-decides-whether-someone-is-qualified-for-the-office-of-president-of-the-united-states/

According to Publius Huldah, under the Constitution as written, it is Congress’ job to make the call, NOT an issue for the federal courts to decide:

By Publius Huldah
According to the original intent of our Constitution, Ted Cruz & Marco Rubio are not eligible to be President because their fathers weren’t US citizens at the times they were born. So they are not “natural born citizens”.
So! How is this handled? Who calls it?  Who makes the ruling? Do we “file a lawsuit” and let federal judges decide? “Slap your hands!”, our Framers would say. They would say, “READ THE CONSTITUTION AND SEE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!”
[Our lives would be so much simpler – and our Country so much better off – if we read & supported our Constitution.]
Read the 12th Amendment. That sets forth the procedures for e******n of President and VP. Note that E*****RS are supposed to be the ones making the se******n – not The People. [There is a reason for that.]  For an illustration of how this works, go HERE and read the subheadings,  “E*****rs” Appointed by States Were To Choose The President!  and The 12th Amendment Establishes Procedures For V****g By E*****rs.
So! Assume we followed the Constitution on this issue and we get to the part where Congress is counting the v**es as provided by 12th Amendment. And Lo! Congress discovers that the person who got the most v**es for President is NOT QUALIFIED by reason of age, or not being a natural born citizen, or not having been for at least 14 years a Resident within the United States.
Obviously, it’s Congress’ job to make the ruling – to make the call – on whether the President and VP – selected by the E*****RS – are qualified under Art. II, Sec. 1, clause 5.
So what happens if Congress finds that the person with the most v**es for President is not qualified? We look to Sec. 3 of the 20th Amendment. It tells us what happens. If the President elect has failed to qualify, then the VP elect shall act as President… Now, read the rest of that Section. We would also need to see whether Congress has made any of the authorized laws providing for such contingencies.
So, under the Constitution as written, it is Congress’ job to make the call as to whether the President elect and the VP elect are qualified.
This is NOT an issue for the federal courts to decide. That is because this is a “political question” – not a “legal question”. The power to make the ruling as to whether the president elect or the VP elect are qualified has been delegated to CONGRESS. Traditionally, federal courts have “abstained” from deciding “political questions”.
We study this in our first year constitutional law class, when we study judicial “abstention” from certain kinds of cases including cases which involve “political questions” or the exercise of powers delegated to the Legislative or Executive branches. When a power is delegated to one of the “political branches” (Legislative or Executive), the federal courts (the “legal branch”) have traditionally declined to interfere and substitute their judgment for that of the “political branch” to which the Power was delegated.
And what if Congress gives an ineligible person a pass – as they did with obama? WELL THEN, SHAME ON US – BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES WHO ELECTED THOSE IGNORANT COWARDS TO OFFICE!
http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/who-... (show quote)

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When question of "natural born citizen" comes up on a p**********l candidate, it is Congress who make the call.

Then for almost 8 years, therefore Congress did not assert its duties when president Obama was elected twice into office. It was reported that there have been various factors that may not have allowed president Obama to be president. First his father was a foreigner, a student from Kenya who studied in the US. That is granting that if president Obama was born in Hawaii. So being a natural born is not applicable because of his father who is a foreigner from Kenya.

Another problem was, it was also reported that president Obama was probably born in Kenya as claimed by his aunts and relatives in Kenya.

Third, it was reported and challenged that his BC was not the original, but was computerized machine generated which indicates some variance with the true BC obtained by the Register of Birth in the State of Hawaii.

4th it was reported that the person the Hawaii official who verified Obama's BC was the only passenger who died in plane crash, the rests were all saved. Strange accident.

Did Congress neglect its duties on president Obama's legal status? Or was Congress scared of being labeled as "R****t"? I don't know the answers. I am just basing these from the various reports I've read. That is why I am asking these questions. And therefore, these are just my opinion.

With that precedence, therefore Cruz, or Rubio are both eligible to be president of the United states.

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Mar 16, 2016 21:15:07   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Homestead wrote:
That makes you a Naturalized citizen.

Not a Natural-Born-Citizen.

You are not eligible to run for the presidency of the United States.

And neither is Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio or Barack Obama!
Believing in the Easter Bunny doesn't mean your mom didn't boil the eggs the night before.

You only have to know 2 things to know Cruz is eligible to be POTUS.

1. You have to either know how to find a law library or know how to use Google.

2. You need to know how to read.

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Mar 16, 2016 22:35:28   #
Homestead
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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When question of "natural born citizen" comes up on a p**********l candidate, it is Congress who make the call.

Then for almost 8 years, therefore Congress did not assert its duties when president Obama was elected twice into office. It was reported that there have been various factors that may not have allowed president Obama to be president. First his father was a foreigner, a student from Kenya who studied in the US. That is granting that if president Obama was born in Hawaii. So being a natural born is not applicable because of his father who is a foreigner from Kenya.

Another problem was, it was also reported that president Obama was probably born in Kenya as claimed by his aunts and relatives in Kenya.

Third, it was reported and challenged that his BC was not the original, but was computerized machine generated which indicates some variance with the true BC obtained by the Register of Birth in the State of Hawaii.

4th it was reported that the person the Hawaii official who verified Obama's BC was the only passenger who died in plane crash, the rests were all saved. Strange accident.

Did Congress neglect its duties on president Obama's legal status? Or was Congress scared of being labeled as "R****t"? I don't know the answers. I am just basing these from the various reports I've read. That is why I am asking these questions. And therefore, these are just my opinion.

With that precedence, therefore Cruz, or Rubio are both eligible to be president of the United states.
============ br When question of "natural bor... (show quote)


No, ignoring the law does not make it go away.

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Mar 17, 2016 01:10:36   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Homestead wrote:
That makes you a Naturalized citizen.

Not a Natural-Born-Citizen.

You are not eligible to run for the presidency of the United States.

And neither is Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio or Barack Obama!
I was born in the Klamath Vally hospital in Klamath Falls Oregon USA. I am a citizen though I am aware that there are (anchor baby) biils being worked up to try and challenge the citizen by birth definition.

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Mar 17, 2016 07:43:14   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Homestead wrote:
No, ignoring the law does not make it go away.

I'll say it again:

There is a name for a law that you see clearly, but nobody else is able to see. The name is:

Hallucination

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