The person who sent this to me checked and the law does say exactly this.
And there appears to be no doubt that she (Hillary) has actually done these things.
Former United States Attorney General Michael Mukasey tells MSNBC that not only is Hillary Clinton's private email server illegal, it "disqualifies" her from holding any federal office.
Such as, say, President of the United States.
"If you do this or that bad thing, you've essentially disqualified yourself as being the leader of the free world," said Mukasey, referring to the illegal server and the illegal handling of classified materials.
Mukasey specifically points to one federal law, Title 18. Section 2071.
For those of us who do not have United States Code committed to memory, here's what it says:
Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Yes, it explicitly states "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
Shouldn't v**ers know that? The media won't tell them. So it's up to us.
Have as safe day!
Geno36 wrote:
The person who sent this to me checked and the law does say exactly this.
And there appears to be no doubt that she (Hillary) has actually done these things.
Former United States Attorney General Michael Mukasey tells MSNBC that not only is Hillary Clinton's private email server illegal, it "disqualifies" her from holding any federal office.
Such as, say, President of the United States.
"If you do this or that bad thing, you've essentially disqualified yourself as being the leader of the free world," said Mukasey, referring to the illegal server and the illegal handling of classified materials.
Mukasey specifically points to one federal law, Title 18. Section 2071.
For those of us who do not have United States Code committed to memory, here's what it says:
Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Yes, it explicitly states "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
Shouldn't v**ers know that? The media won't tell them. So it's up to us.
Have as safe day!
The person who sent this to me checked and the law... (
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Wh**ever happens, the hag ain't gonna be prez.
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
BigMike wrote:
Wh**ever happens, the hag ain't gonna be prez.
She is the worst of the democrats. Bernie is the worst of the socialists.
Let us be sure we do not produce the worst of the republicans.
Geno36 wrote:
The person who sent this to me checked and the law does say exactly this.
And there appears to be no doubt that she (Hillary) has actually done these things.
Former United States Attorney General Michael Mukasey tells MSNBC that not only is Hillary Clinton's private email server illegal, it "disqualifies" her from holding any federal office.
Such as, say, President of the United States.
"If you do this or that bad thing, you've essentially disqualified yourself as being the leader of the free world," said Mukasey, referring to the illegal server and the illegal handling of classified materials.
Mukasey specifically points to one federal law, Title 18. Section 2071.
For those of us who do not have United States Code committed to memory, here's what it says:
Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Yes, it explicitly states "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
Shouldn't v**ers know that? The media won't tell them. So it's up to us.
Have as safe day!
The person who sent this to me checked and the law... (
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K**LERY , BELONGS , IN JAIL :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Clinton Emails My ASSCondi Rice, Colin Powell, GWB All Used Private Servers !!
by Harvey Gold August 23, 2015 0 Comments
gop-hypocrisy-they-eventually-abandon-their-p-T-jFM4uLHypocrisy has always been a Republican strong suit, so the current iteration regarding Hillary Clintons email server is by no mean a surprise. Hyperventilating Republicans rush to the cameras claiming theyve found the smoking gun proving their political opponents arent just wrong, but that theyre criminals. Traffic hungry reporters take off the record spin and run with it, publishing dramatic (and click-driving) stories predicting perp walks any day. Then months later, when the facts actually come out, there is far less to the story than meets the eye.
We saw it in its purest form during the Dan Burton Whitewater years and more recently with a string of supposed Obama Administration scandals from Fast and Furious to the IRS. Lois Lerner may have been guilty of bad management but, despite the calls of Republicans from both ends of Capitol Hill, she is most definitely not in jail.
And it is happening again right now with the overblown, misunderstood controversy regarding Hillary Clintons decision to use a private email server during her service as secretary of State.
They could not get any traction on B******i because there just wasnt anything there that hasnt been done by Republicans ten times worse. Now the email thing-a-ma-bob is even more ludicrous given that George W. Bush actually used Republican National Committee servers for over 22 million emails during his term of office.
Then theres the inconvenient t***h that Condoleezza Rice AND Colin Powell, both Republican Secretaries of State, used personal email servers during their tenures and not a peep was heard from the senile old white men in the Republican Party.
There may be legitimate questions to be asked about that Clintons decision of course. Clinton herself has said she regrets it. And Republicans who want to argue it shows bad judgment certainly are entitled to do so, but not without admitting they were perfectly fine with Republicans, including their President, doing the exact same thing or worse.
But a bad decision is not a crime; neither for the above Republicans nor for Clinton. Using a personal email server for State Department work during Secretary Clintons tenure was not a crime; the statute requiring official email accounts for official business wasnt even passed until 2014
.after Clinton had stepped down as Secretary of State.
And receiving or t***smitting information that was not known to be classified at the time also was not a crime. This is true even if the information was mislabeled or misclassified. And reports that a larger number of emails are now under review dont change this the essential fact remains that there is no evidence that Secretary Clinton sent or received any email marked classified.
But again, facts that Republicans have done the same or worse is irrelevant to the nastiest political party of all time.
The truly sad and reprehensible aspect to this entire charade is that the media has remained mute on these inconsistencies and hypocrisies. What the hell are they doing for their pay, these so-called journalists of today? I suppose its more or less expected that politicians act like slimeballs, but now that the once-sacrosanct rule of journalism to report the unbiased t***hs has vanished. In its place are shells of what they used to be. One network, which I really dont think needs to be named although its initials are Fox News, makes no bones about the fact that their main purpose is to promote the conservative agenda regardless of the veracity of what they report.
Secretary Clinton obviously went to great lengths to identify and preserve official emails as the law requires, turning over so many records that the government actually returned more than 1000 emails on the grounds that she had produced information that was clearly personal. And while U.S. government servers were hacked, there is no indication that Secretary Clintons server ever was.
Some say that following the letter of the law wasnt good enough and question whether using the server was in keeping with the spirit of the law. Thats a fair question. Our view is that the efforts to preserve emails and produce those even arguably dealing with official matters show fealty to the spirit of the law. As does that fact that one other secretary of State also used private email for official business and virtually every Administration in the Internet era has been bedeviled by the mixing of personal and official emails at one time or another. Others may see it differently, but fundamentally, debating whether someone followed the spirit of the law concedes there was no crime.
As to the alleged mishandling of classified information, once again, the relevant law is crystal clear. The pertinent federal statute requires knowingly t***sferring classified information to an unauthorized location. T***smitting information that wasnt known to be classified even if the failure to classify was an obvious mistake is not a crime under this statute. The latest reporting makes clear that even the emails the CIA now contends contained Top Secret information had no classification markings and did not reference any sensitive intelligence methods or contain any other hallmarks of classified sourcing.
Partisans and pundits trying to find a way around this obstacle are hoping to find a way to convict without the requisite knowledge and intent, perhaps by arguing that negligence should be good enough. But the deeper they dig into antiquated and inapt statutes involving the theft of battle plans and the like, the more obvious it becomes that no crime was committed here. And all the wishful thinking in the world from opportunist political opponents cant change that.
Politics is a contact sport and its no surprise that those looking to keep a controversy in the news turn to ever more hyperbolic language and inflammatory charges. But that doesnt make it right.
V**ers looking to evaluate these candidates should not have to wade through rivers of mud and phony outrage.
Republicans hoping to beat Hillary Clinton arent going to be bailed out by some mythical criminal prosecution in a case where there is clearly no evidence of any kind of crime. Perhaps they should spend a bit more time developing policies that might appeal to middle class Americans and a bit less on fantasy indictments and hysterical talking points that speak only to their extremist base.
Harvey Gold
Theo wrote:
She is the worst of the democrats. Bernie is the worst of the socialists.
Let us be sure we do not produce the worst of the republicans.
Produce? They've
already been pushing us down the road to a one world government almost as fast as the damn Democrats! :lol:
moldyoldy wrote:
Clinton Emails My ASSCondi Rice, Colin Powell, GWB All Used Private Servers !!
by Harvey Gold August 23, 2015 0 Comments
gop-hypocrisy-they-eventually-abandon-their-p-T-jFM4uLHypocrisy has always been a Republican strong suit, so the current iteration regarding Hillary Clintons email server is by no mean a surprise. Hyperventilating Republicans rush to the cameras claiming theyve found the smoking gun proving their political opponents arent just wrong, but that theyre criminals. Traffic hungry reporters take off the record spin and run with it, publishing dramatic (and click-driving) stories predicting perp walks any day. Then months later, when the facts actually come out, there is far less to the story than meets the eye.
We saw it in its purest form during the Dan Burton Whitewater years and more recently with a string of supposed Obama Administration scandals from Fast and Furious to the IRS. Lois Lerner may have been guilty of bad management but, despite the calls of Republicans from both ends of Capitol Hill, she is most definitely not in jail.
And it is happening again right now with the overblown, misunderstood controversy regarding Hillary Clintons decision to use a private email server during her service as secretary of State.
They could not get any traction on B******i because there just wasnt anything there that hasnt been done by Republicans ten times worse. Now the email thing-a-ma-bob is even more ludicrous given that George W. Bush actually used Republican National Committee servers for over 22 million emails during his term of office.
Then theres the inconvenient t***h that Condoleezza Rice AND Colin Powell, both Republican Secretaries of State, used personal email servers during their tenures and not a peep was heard from the senile old white men in the Republican Party.
There may be legitimate questions to be asked about that Clintons decision of course. Clinton herself has said she regrets it. And Republicans who want to argue it shows bad judgment certainly are entitled to do so, but not without admitting they were perfectly fine with Republicans, including their President, doing the exact same thing or worse.
But a bad decision is not a crime; neither for the above Republicans nor for Clinton. Using a personal email server for State Department work during Secretary Clintons tenure was not a crime; the statute requiring official email accounts for official business wasnt even passed until 2014
.after Clinton had stepped down as Secretary of State.
And receiving or t***smitting information that was not known to be classified at the time also was not a crime. This is true even if the information was mislabeled or misclassified. And reports that a larger number of emails are now under review dont change this the essential fact remains that there is no evidence that Secretary Clinton sent or received any email marked classified.
But again, facts that Republicans have done the same or worse is irrelevant to the nastiest political party of all time.
The truly sad and reprehensible aspect to this entire charade is that the media has remained mute on these inconsistencies and hypocrisies. What the hell are they doing for their pay, these so-called journalists of today? I suppose its more or less expected that politicians act like slimeballs, but now that the once-sacrosanct rule of journalism to report the unbiased t***hs has vanished. In its place are shells of what they used to be. One network, which I really dont think needs to be named although its initials are Fox News, makes no bones about the fact that their main purpose is to promote the conservative agenda regardless of the veracity of what they report.
Secretary Clinton obviously went to great lengths to identify and preserve official emails as the law requires, turning over so many records that the government actually returned more than 1000 emails on the grounds that she had produced information that was clearly personal. And while U.S. government servers were hacked, there is no indication that Secretary Clintons server ever was.
Some say that following the letter of the law wasnt good enough and question whether using the server was in keeping with the spirit of the law. Thats a fair question. Our view is that the efforts to preserve emails and produce those even arguably dealing with official matters show fealty to the spirit of the law. As does that fact that one other secretary of State also used private email for official business and virtually every Administration in the Internet era has been bedeviled by the mixing of personal and official emails at one time or another. Others may see it differently, but fundamentally, debating whether someone followed the spirit of the law concedes there was no crime.
As to the alleged mishandling of classified information, once again, the relevant law is crystal clear. The pertinent federal statute requires knowingly t***sferring classified information to an unauthorized location. T***smitting information that wasnt known to be classified even if the failure to classify was an obvious mistake is not a crime under this statute. The latest reporting makes clear that even the emails the CIA now contends contained Top Secret information had no classification markings and did not reference any sensitive intelligence methods or contain any other hallmarks of classified sourcing.
Partisans and pundits trying to find a way around this obstacle are hoping to find a way to convict without the requisite knowledge and intent, perhaps by arguing that negligence should be good enough. But the deeper they dig into antiquated and inapt statutes involving the theft of battle plans and the like, the more obvious it becomes that no crime was committed here. And all the wishful thinking in the world from opportunist political opponents cant change that.
Politics is a contact sport and its no surprise that those looking to keep a controversy in the news turn to ever more hyperbolic language and inflammatory charges. But that doesnt make it right.
V**ers looking to evaluate these candidates should not have to wade through rivers of mud and phony outrage.
Republicans hoping to beat Hillary Clinton arent going to be bailed out by some mythical criminal prosecution in a case where there is clearly no evidence of any kind of crime. Perhaps they should spend a bit more time developing policies that might appeal to middle class Americans and a bit less on fantasy indictments and hysterical talking points that speak only to their extremist base.
Harvey Gold
Clinton Emails My ASSCondi Rice, Colin Powell, GW... (
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: We don't care what they did! The hag is trying her damnedest to do damage control.
She ain't gonna be prez!
BigMike wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: We don't care what they did! The hag is trying her damnedest to do damage control.
She ain't gonna be prez!
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
moldyoldy wrote:
Clinton Emails My ASSCondi Rice, Colin Powell, GWB All Used Private Servers !!
The issue has nothing to do with who else is as stupid as Hillary. The issue is the simple fact that the law says she cannot qualify, run for, or be elected to any office in the nation if she violates the laws dealing with secret communications. AND it also stipulates a prison term of up to ten years for such infringement.
I posted this same information many moons ago. And it was mostly ignored.
As it will be this time.
Theo wrote:
The issue has nothing to do with who else is as stupid as Hillary. The issue is the simple fact that the law says she cannot qualify, run for, or be elected to any office in the nation if she violates the laws dealing with secret communications. AND it also stipulates a prison term of up to ten years for such infringement.
I posted this same information many moons ago. And it was mostly ignored.
As it will be this time.
Except, that nothing was classified at the time. So peddle your BS somewhere else.
moldyoldy wrote:
Except, that nothing was classified at the time. So peddle your BS somewhere else.
If nothing was classified then why are some of the emails so secret they cannot be viewed by the House Intelligence Committee?
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
moldyoldy wrote:
Except, that nothing was classified at the time. So peddle your BS somewhere else.
Classification comes with the territory. When I was in Marine Aviation Electronics, we knew from day-1 that wh**ever documents or instruction manuals, or any other printed or written information was to be treated as "CLASSIFIED" until and unless we were told different. And if we were told different, we asked for it in writing. If it was not given to us as documented information, we ignored it.
Classification of information does not have to be "labeled" on the document because it isn't folded into paper airplanes and lofted on the breeze; it is protected in travel and in dispensing.
And when you make such an asinine statement "Nothing was classified at that time," Well, you just pointed out where the "BS" is found.
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
moldyoldy wrote:
Apples and oranges
No comparison
"Classified Status" has nothing to do with picking fruit.
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