straightUp wrote:
I'm not asking you to memorize EVERYTHING. I'm asking you to provide just one single example of what you are claiming. You were very strong about your opinion that we should stop the t***sformation of our Nation. I said the Constitution is designed to ALLOW for t***sformation and YOU said the founders had left instructions and warnings about that. So..? Where are they?
I'm not even arguing your point actually, I'm just trying to see if you really know what you're talking about or if you're just parroting some broad generalization.
See, I don't make statements like you did without being able to point to some reference. I said the Constitution was designed to allow a t***sforming government...
Here's the reference, starting with Article V of the U.S. Constitution...
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
The intention of this article of the Constitution was explained by James Madison, the "father of the Constitution" himself in Federalist Paper #43...
"To provide for amendments to be ratified by three fourths of the States under two exceptions only. ''That useful alterations will be suggested by experience, could not but be foreseen. It was requisite, therefore, that a mode for introducing them should be provided. The mode preferred by the convention seems to be stamped with every mark of propriety. It guards equally against that extreme facility, which would render the Constitution too mutable; and that extreme difficulty, which might perpetuate its discovered faults
See how it's done?
And Madison was the conservative one who leaned more on the side of stability... Jefferson was far more progressive as we can see in his letters to Madison.
"no society can make a perpetual Constitution. ... The Earth belongs always to the living generation. ... Every Constitution ... naturally expires at the end of 19 years" - Thomas Jefferson
Yes, they DID also issue warnings and instructions about that. The numerous exchanges between Madison and Jefferson reveal the amount of consideration that went into striking a balance between flexibility and stability, which is probably best described by Madison's assertion that while amendments allow the Constitution to change, such changes should be in response to extraordinary requisites.
So there you go... Let me know if you have any questions or if you want me to run your revolution for you.
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I'm not asking you to memorize EVERYTHING. I'm ask... (
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Noted and yes I've read it before.
Also this post is about the incident in Oregon not about your interpretations of t***slation in t***sforming the Republic.
No I do not need you or anyone to run a revolution so Pass on that too.
As for the divisions and escalations I love it... Let the games continue.
Draw the lines between left and right - there will never be unity again.
Grow the Divisions between those for t***sformation and those against.
I can go on and on with every major issue pressing our Society today.
Good luck in wh**ever it is you're preaching.