cSc61 Loc: Austin

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-v*****e-causes-autism/


Courts quietly confirm MMR V*****e causes Autism
By Mark Wachtler July 27, 2013. Austin. (ONN)

After decades of passionate debate, parents probably missed the repeated admissions by drug companies and governments alike that v*****es do in fact cause autism. For concerned parents seeking the t***h, it’s worth remembering that the exact same people who own the world’s drug companies also own America’s news outlets...

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

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Courts quietly confirm MMR V*****e causes Autism
By Mark Wachtler July 27, 2013. Austin. (ONN)

After decades of passionate debate, parents probably missed the repeated admissions by drug companies and governments alike that v*****es do in fact cause autism. For concerned parents seeking the t***h, it’s worth remembering that the exact same people who own the world’s drug companies also own America’s news outlets...[/quote

I have recently read some research that indicates a factor in autism may be the age of the father at the time of conception. Children born to men who are over 50 apparently have up to 6 times as high a risk of autism as children whose fathers were younger . While women are born with all the eggs they will ever have, men generate new sperm throughout their lifetimes. Every cell division increases the chance of a replicating error so by the time a man is fifty more errors have been possible. That has nothing to do with v*****es except that there might be a possibility that the two work together to present a problem. But when analyzing autism please keep in mind that the definition has changed a number of times over the years, to include more people by broadening the definition significantly .

Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN

Courts cannot and do not confirm any scientific reality. Any link between v******tions and autism remains to be scientifically proven. It is impossible to prove a negative such as "I don't like broccoli", like "v******tions don't cause autism". When there is valid, reproducible evidence that there is actually a link between autism and v******tions, the idea will have credence.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I agree with you. The link between older men producing a higher rate of autistic children has been studied and seems to be a better link, but that could just be two things happening at the same time, not cause and effect.

grumpymarine Loc: Florida

Doctors like me say v*****es don't cause autism. Become educated.

cSc61 Loc: Austin

Become educated? Are you implying the entire general public must first acquire a medical degree before we can know for certain if v*****es are harmful or not? Umm, that doesn't seem practical. What would be practical is if we could get a straight answer from people/agencies designed and/or mandated to help us stay informed.

You say doctors 'like you' agree v*****es do NOT cause autism. Well what kind of Doctor would that be? Dr. of Physics ... of mathematics ... pharmaceutical ... medical ... which? Have you conducted extensive research in the area of v*****es and their effects on children? Or are you implying, that because you say you're a doctor, we should just swallow wh**ever it is you profess to know without question?

To simply state, "I am a doctor and I say v*****es don't cause Autism. Become educated!" just isn't enough for me. In fact, it means almost nothing. Your extensive education notwithstanding, I've come to realize most doctors don't know squat unless they're specialists in a particular field.

The general public has been duped for far too long in believing the title of Doctor somehow bestows untold wisdom and knowledge on the recipient. "We must believe everything the doctor says because, after all, they're doctors." Sorry, I've long ago seen through the fallacy of that myth.

Like every other profession on the planet, there are good practitioners and there are know-nothing quacks. Because we don't know which is which, we must conduct our own due diligence and question everything our doctors say to us.

To my point, the story refers to one Dr. Andrew Wakefield who apparently believes there's a link between stomach disorders, autism and the Measles Mumps Rubella (MMR) v*****e. Hmm ... and he' a doctor. A doctor who, at least according to this story, conducted extensive research in this area. The story also refers to drug companies and governments admitting, albeit quietly, to the connection between v*****es and autism. And yet you say we should dismiss all that because you're also a doctor and doctors 'like you' say otherwise. And then you dismissively lord your knowledge over me, by telling me to 'become educated.' Well sir, Doctor, I'm taking your post for what it's worth ... zilch.