Changing One's Mind...
Jan 18, 2016 23:45:15 #
Don G. Dinsdale
Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
One of the b***hes I keep hearing about Trump is he is or was a Liberal... Reagan was a Democrat in his early life, then became a Republican... I was once a JFK Democrat (I served in the Navy under him, I changed with LBJ!)... Now let us remember what Winston Churchill Didn't Say; "If you are young and not a Socialist you have no heart, and if by middle age you are not a Capitalist you have no brain!" There is no record of the quot being by Churchill...
So I have concluded people are allowed to change their minds... Don D.
What Is The Consensus of The Real Conservatives in America About Donald Trump?
JANUARY 18, 2016
traditionalRIGHT
Traditionalism in a Changing World.
One of the raps against Donald Trump frequently trotted out by some of his conservative critics, often supporters of one of the more traditional conservative candidates, is that he is not really a conservative. Some even call him a liberal. Yet despite this charge, Trump continues to gain the support of prominent conservatives whose conservative credentials it is difficult to impugn.
For example, Trump recently garnered the support of former congressman Virgil Goode, who was the 2012 P**********l nominee of the Constitution Party. Its hard to question the conservative credentials of a Constitution Party P**********l nominee. He has also landed the endorsement (or virtual endorsement) of prominent conservative scholar William Lind. Lind is a leading theorist of the concept of Fourth Generation warfare, and is arguably the primary person responsible for the increased recognition of the phenomenon of cultural Marxism that besets our modern discourse. Trump has also been endorsed by longtime conservative movement stalwart, Phyllis Schlafly, whose conservative credentials need no elaboration. I could go on, but this should suffice to illustrate my contention.
So is Trump a conservative, and if not, why is he racking up support from notable conservatives and continuing to dominate polls of potential Republican Party v**ers? Well, the answer is both yes and no. It depends on what you mean by conservative, but I believe Trump is a conservative in the most meaningful sense.
http://www.traditionalright.com/is-donald-trump-a-conservative/
~~~~~
The Economic Populist
Is Donald Trump a Conservative?
I attempted to explain Trumps politics in a couple of past essays. His politics are really not as inscrutable as some believe. They just dont fit tidily into our current Red and Blue boxes. Briefly, the key to understanding Trumps politics is to focus on his economic nationalism. This has been a part of his rhetoric since he first became a public figure in the 1980s and is undoubtedly authentic. But Trump appears to view this as a common sense, tough minded position, not an ideological one. It is important to recognize that Trump is not an ideologue.
His focus is on getting things done, and he is results oriented. While he has long flirted with politics, he has not historically immersed himself in the conservative milieu, nor the liberal milieu for that matter. He has clearly tailored some of his current positions to fit the base of the party whose nomination he is seeking, such as gun control and a******n, but he has never donned the mantle of purest crusader for laissez-faire economics or government slashing spending hawk because those positions would conflict with his economic nationalism and his focus on outcomes rather than pure principle.
Consider, for example, Trumps past support of universal health care, a position often raised by his conservative critics. This was not likely a position he arrived at based on an ideological commitment to liberalism because that wouldnt fit the known pattern. Rather it likely was an extension of his patriotic economic nationalism, something along the lines of A great country like America can have a great health care system that takes care of all its citizens. Remember that before the Affordable Care Act, universal coverage per se polled well.
People just dont seem to like the details when you attach a name to it, like HillaryCare or ObamaCare. The point being that Trumps position on universal health care was likely not evidence of an ideological liberal disposition, but rather a roll up our sleeves and get it done outcome based approach. What the conservative box checkers need to understand is that a lot of the e*****rate is similarly non-ideological. They may lean one way or the other and viscerally identify with the Blue Team or the Red Team, but they are not dogmatic ideologues.
Trumps positions and rhetoric place him firmly in the category of Middle American Radical (MAR), as are many of his supporters. He just happens to also be a billionaire. MARs are a well described and relatively large demographic. Its curious that so many journalist and pundits have missed this relationship and are still struggling to characterize Trump.
Liberal columnist Ezra Klein was one of the first to pick up on Trumps particular policy mix in this article he wrote for Vox, about which I thought at the time, In other words, what (late conservative columnist) Sam Francis was saying 20 years ago. Liberal John Judis expanded on the idea in this essay for the National Journal. Judis cannot resist a little PC finger wagging, but beyond that it is an insightful piece. Of interest, I was informed by someone who was familiar with the relationship that John Judis and Sam Francis were friends despite their political differences, so this may be a reason for Judis insights.
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/donald-trump-conservative-5892
~~~~~
How Donald Trump Took The Republican Party by Storm
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump's political hurricane is no accident. It's been brewing in the Republican Party for decades.
Yes, the wild force tearing through the Republican White House race is a reflection of the grass roots' current fury at government and a revolt against establishment party leaders that has already swept away the likes of former House Speaker John Boehner and his lieutenant, Eric Cantor.
And it's at least partly an individual phenomenon based on the charismatic appeal of Trump himself. The billionaire's brash television virtuosity and mastery of social media has connected with an angry swath of Republican v**ers in a way no other candidate has managed and will be put to the test again in the final GOP debate of the year, on CNN from Las Vegas on Tuesday night.
But the Trump tempest has long been building. GOP critics argue the party has brought his destabilizing intervention on itself by not squelching controversies like claims he helped fuel that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States or explosive rhetoric about i*****l i*******ts. This contentious atmosphere has detracted from the debate on the nature of authentic conservatism that many partisans had expected in the 2016 race.
Several conservative commentators have rejected the notion that the GOP is itself responsible for Trump's appeal. They reason, for instance, that the real estate mogul is not a true believer but has merely hijacked the party to reach a community of mainly white, blue-collar v**ers resistant to the tide of change in Obama's America. And they have a point: The anti-establishment heat that he is exacerbating does predate Trump's arrival on the political scene.
The Republican Party's current trauma stretches back at least to the 1990s, if not earlier. It lies in a t***sformation that turned the GOP from a party of consensus government that produced presidents like Dwight Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush into a party of r*******n in which the rank and file are consumed with anger at party leaders who they believe habitually maneuver to block true conservatives from winning the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/politics/donald-trump-republican-party-history/
So I have concluded people are allowed to change their minds... Don D.
What Is The Consensus of The Real Conservatives in America About Donald Trump?
JANUARY 18, 2016
traditionalRIGHT
Traditionalism in a Changing World.
One of the raps against Donald Trump frequently trotted out by some of his conservative critics, often supporters of one of the more traditional conservative candidates, is that he is not really a conservative. Some even call him a liberal. Yet despite this charge, Trump continues to gain the support of prominent conservatives whose conservative credentials it is difficult to impugn.
For example, Trump recently garnered the support of former congressman Virgil Goode, who was the 2012 P**********l nominee of the Constitution Party. Its hard to question the conservative credentials of a Constitution Party P**********l nominee. He has also landed the endorsement (or virtual endorsement) of prominent conservative scholar William Lind. Lind is a leading theorist of the concept of Fourth Generation warfare, and is arguably the primary person responsible for the increased recognition of the phenomenon of cultural Marxism that besets our modern discourse. Trump has also been endorsed by longtime conservative movement stalwart, Phyllis Schlafly, whose conservative credentials need no elaboration. I could go on, but this should suffice to illustrate my contention.
So is Trump a conservative, and if not, why is he racking up support from notable conservatives and continuing to dominate polls of potential Republican Party v**ers? Well, the answer is both yes and no. It depends on what you mean by conservative, but I believe Trump is a conservative in the most meaningful sense.
http://www.traditionalright.com/is-donald-trump-a-conservative/
~~~~~
The Economic Populist
Is Donald Trump a Conservative?
I attempted to explain Trumps politics in a couple of past essays. His politics are really not as inscrutable as some believe. They just dont fit tidily into our current Red and Blue boxes. Briefly, the key to understanding Trumps politics is to focus on his economic nationalism. This has been a part of his rhetoric since he first became a public figure in the 1980s and is undoubtedly authentic. But Trump appears to view this as a common sense, tough minded position, not an ideological one. It is important to recognize that Trump is not an ideologue.
His focus is on getting things done, and he is results oriented. While he has long flirted with politics, he has not historically immersed himself in the conservative milieu, nor the liberal milieu for that matter. He has clearly tailored some of his current positions to fit the base of the party whose nomination he is seeking, such as gun control and a******n, but he has never donned the mantle of purest crusader for laissez-faire economics or government slashing spending hawk because those positions would conflict with his economic nationalism and his focus on outcomes rather than pure principle.
Consider, for example, Trumps past support of universal health care, a position often raised by his conservative critics. This was not likely a position he arrived at based on an ideological commitment to liberalism because that wouldnt fit the known pattern. Rather it likely was an extension of his patriotic economic nationalism, something along the lines of A great country like America can have a great health care system that takes care of all its citizens. Remember that before the Affordable Care Act, universal coverage per se polled well.
People just dont seem to like the details when you attach a name to it, like HillaryCare or ObamaCare. The point being that Trumps position on universal health care was likely not evidence of an ideological liberal disposition, but rather a roll up our sleeves and get it done outcome based approach. What the conservative box checkers need to understand is that a lot of the e*****rate is similarly non-ideological. They may lean one way or the other and viscerally identify with the Blue Team or the Red Team, but they are not dogmatic ideologues.
Trumps positions and rhetoric place him firmly in the category of Middle American Radical (MAR), as are many of his supporters. He just happens to also be a billionaire. MARs are a well described and relatively large demographic. Its curious that so many journalist and pundits have missed this relationship and are still struggling to characterize Trump.
Liberal columnist Ezra Klein was one of the first to pick up on Trumps particular policy mix in this article he wrote for Vox, about which I thought at the time, In other words, what (late conservative columnist) Sam Francis was saying 20 years ago. Liberal John Judis expanded on the idea in this essay for the National Journal. Judis cannot resist a little PC finger wagging, but beyond that it is an insightful piece. Of interest, I was informed by someone who was familiar with the relationship that John Judis and Sam Francis were friends despite their political differences, so this may be a reason for Judis insights.
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/donald-trump-conservative-5892
~~~~~
How Donald Trump Took The Republican Party by Storm
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump's political hurricane is no accident. It's been brewing in the Republican Party for decades.
Yes, the wild force tearing through the Republican White House race is a reflection of the grass roots' current fury at government and a revolt against establishment party leaders that has already swept away the likes of former House Speaker John Boehner and his lieutenant, Eric Cantor.
And it's at least partly an individual phenomenon based on the charismatic appeal of Trump himself. The billionaire's brash television virtuosity and mastery of social media has connected with an angry swath of Republican v**ers in a way no other candidate has managed and will be put to the test again in the final GOP debate of the year, on CNN from Las Vegas on Tuesday night.
But the Trump tempest has long been building. GOP critics argue the party has brought his destabilizing intervention on itself by not squelching controversies like claims he helped fuel that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States or explosive rhetoric about i*****l i*******ts. This contentious atmosphere has detracted from the debate on the nature of authentic conservatism that many partisans had expected in the 2016 race.
Several conservative commentators have rejected the notion that the GOP is itself responsible for Trump's appeal. They reason, for instance, that the real estate mogul is not a true believer but has merely hijacked the party to reach a community of mainly white, blue-collar v**ers resistant to the tide of change in Obama's America. And they have a point: The anti-establishment heat that he is exacerbating does predate Trump's arrival on the political scene.
The Republican Party's current trauma stretches back at least to the 1990s, if not earlier. It lies in a t***sformation that turned the GOP from a party of consensus government that produced presidents like Dwight Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush into a party of r*******n in which the rank and file are consumed with anger at party leaders who they believe habitually maneuver to block true conservatives from winning the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/politics/donald-trump-republican-party-history/
Jan 19, 2016 00:40:35 #
[quote=Don G. Dinsdale]One of the b***hes I keep hearing about Trump is he is or was a Liberal... Reagan was a Democrat in his early life, then became a Republican...
So I have concluded people are allowed to change their minds... Don D.
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So I have concluded people are allowed to change their minds... Don D.
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Jan 19, 2016 02:10:50 #
Party identifiers of conservative, liberal, left, right, middle and all the rest are just definitions people label himself with as a group.
Why label yourself anything?? We all change our mind, as we progress our thinking changes period...
I could careless anymore about "party" anything..The last 6 e******ns I v**ed person, not party..Swayed by "party mentality and thought process yes, but influenced by it to v**e for a D or an R, no...There is no party anymore anyway....It is however, the elite of government over the people..There is your party..
Hope and change the main theme of campaigning is a bigger joke..You want change then you must "make it happen"..Like anything else in life if you leave it to anyone else to do its not getting done......
Trump is a doer..Speaks his mind, tells it like it is and well aware of what makes businesses tick..That is what we need back, jobs..Government doesn't create jobs, they do impose taxes, strenuous restrictions etc and the end result is Corporate America has flown the c**p!! Trump understands this and knows what is needed to return Corporate America so jobs do come back and the American people may once again enjoy gainful employment and spend into the economy~~Simple really..Bring that back and through it America's strength returns..Until then its part jobs with no benefits and struggling to simply maintain...
Why label yourself anything?? We all change our mind, as we progress our thinking changes period...
I could careless anymore about "party" anything..The last 6 e******ns I v**ed person, not party..Swayed by "party mentality and thought process yes, but influenced by it to v**e for a D or an R, no...There is no party anymore anyway....It is however, the elite of government over the people..There is your party..
Hope and change the main theme of campaigning is a bigger joke..You want change then you must "make it happen"..Like anything else in life if you leave it to anyone else to do its not getting done......
Trump is a doer..Speaks his mind, tells it like it is and well aware of what makes businesses tick..That is what we need back, jobs..Government doesn't create jobs, they do impose taxes, strenuous restrictions etc and the end result is Corporate America has flown the c**p!! Trump understands this and knows what is needed to return Corporate America so jobs do come back and the American people may once again enjoy gainful employment and spend into the economy~~Simple really..Bring that back and through it America's strength returns..Until then its part jobs with no benefits and struggling to simply maintain...
Jan 19, 2016 12:31:16 #
lindajoy wrote:
Party identifiers of conservative, liberal, left, ... (show quote)
You are so right! I once v**ed the way of the Democrats until Regan ran for President. Most Democrats, after JFK, were leaning more toward socialism and they do not support the middle class person any more, which is contrary to their statements of today.
Jan 19, 2016 17:34:04 #
Louie27 wrote:
You are so right! I once v**ed the way of the Democrats until Regan ran for President. Most Democrats, after JFK, were leaning more toward socialism and they do not support the middle class person any more, which is contrary to their statements of today.
V**e your hearts content over the one you think is right, period..
You obviously know they all tell you what you want to hear and turn around, once in and follow the money~~
Trump, doesn't need to "follow the money"..He's also narcissistic enough that "no one is going to tell him how to run things"..At least that is my take..Sure he'll have lots of pressure from ALL of them, but I think he is the one man that will tell them "to go to hell, this is what we're doing".. I love that and it is exactly what we need...
Thank You for your kind words as well....... :thumbup:
Jan 19, 2016 18:20:16 #
Sarah Palin endorses the Donald...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-rallying-conservatives/ar-BBorBhk?li=BBnbfcL :thumbup:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-rallying-conservatives/ar-BBorBhk?li=BBnbfcL :thumbup:
Jan 19, 2016 18:28:47 #
Sons of Liberty wrote:
Sarah Palin endorses the Donald...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-rallying-conservatives/ar-BBorBhk?li=BBnbfcL :thumbup:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-rallying-conservatives/ar-BBorBhk?li=BBnbfcL :thumbup:
:thumbup: :thumbup: Sawwwwwwwweeeeeeetttttt!!!
Jan 19, 2016 18:33:24 #
lindajoy wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: Sawwwwwwwweeeeeeetttttt!!!
My thoughts exactly.
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Jan 19, 2016 18:50:46 #
Sons of Liberty wrote:
My thoughts exactly.
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Always nice to see you Sons of Liberty~~ :thumbup:
Jan 19, 2016 19:18:34 #
lindajoy wrote:
Always nice to see you Sons of Liberty~~ :thumbup:
Likewise!
I sure hope we can get out from under this load of crap that has been piled upon us the last seven years.
Jan 19, 2016 19:32:06 #
Sons of Liberty wrote:
Likewise!
I sure hope we can get out from under this load of crap that has been piled upon us the last seven years.
I sure hope we can get out from under this load of crap that has been piled upon us the last seven years.
I am confident the time has come..Hope is what was preached and never came about..Now we "make it happen"..... :wink: :lol:
You can spend a life time "wanting" or you can go get it!!!~~~ :thumbup:
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