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Jan 21, 2016 22:23:26   #
Anigav6969
 
son of witless wrote:
Are you not able to understand simple concepts? The B******i disaster occurred because of incompetence, and lack of caring from Secretary of State Clinton and President Obama. Why is it wrong to hold them accountable?

I can argue, what the hell did Obama and Clinton send Americans into a cesspool like Libya for? However, that is not my point. Hillary and her boss did send them in. Like President Bush sent Americans into Iraq and Afghanistan.

The security beforehand was a joke in B******i. The response from Hillary and Barak once the attack was made known to them would be a crime if a death by incompetence law was actually enforced.

Once a President sends Americans into danger he owes them every protection he can give to them. If you want to cite specific instances during Bush's Presidency where he failed in that duty then go ahead.
Are you not able to understand simple concepts? Th... (show quote)


That's easy.....first....nobody should have ever been sent into Iraq....Even Trump agrees .....secondly, their Humvees were not well equipped....it took incredibly too long to get these things fixed....many arms and legs were lost o this.....all on GWB ??....any outrage ???......Nope

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Jan 21, 2016 22:25:44   #
Anigav6969
 
PeterS wrote:
You're the one who dismissed Iraq so you were given a comparison within the narrow parameters you, yourself, gave. The actual war was Afghanistan yet Bush was frittering away his efforts in Iraq. Stevens and his group died while waiting for enough reinforcements to beat their attackers. The same applies to those who died in Afghanistan while waiting for Bush to send enough troops to fight the Taliban and al-Qaeda who were their attackers. This is the direct correlation that you demanded.

My guess is that you just don't want to address the failure that was the Bush presidency. He abandoned Afghanistan to fight a pointless war in Iraq. As such, those who died in both wars at this time likely died for no reason--or wouldn't have died if he had focused on fighting those who attacked and aided and abetting those who attacked us.
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Exactly....and, I might add...they knew Bin Laden was in the mountains of Afghanistan...so what does he do ??....well, attack Iraq of course !!....shame on all of them....and these people defend them....shame on them too

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Jan 21, 2016 22:36:32   #
Anigav6969
 
son of witless wrote:
My apologies. One of your fellow liberals had told me to drop dead and in the heat of the discussion I projected her insult onto you. I try to not go beyond what ever level of animosity the other participants operate at.

Since you insist on shifting the argument from an episode to an entire policy, I can play ball. I am nothing if not adaptable.

The Iraq War was v**ed on and supported by Democrats until things got tough and it became politically profitable to be against the War.

Bush made a decision, which I believe will be vindicated by history. 911 occurred not just because Osama bin Laden was able to put together a team of extraordinary terrorists. 911 did not happen in a vacuum. It happened because under Bill Clinton the US did not follow up on it's commitments and threats to our enemies.

If you recall President Bush did not attack Iraq out of the blue. Saddam Hussein had not honored his commitments from the first Gulf War. He was given ample warning and time to comply.

He chose to call America's bluff. Unfortunately for him this was Bush, not Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter or Barak Hussein Obama. Attacking evil and k*****g murders is never a bad thing.
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That was me who said that....I feel anyone that supports that debacle to this day should be shunned......to think that invasion will one day be vindicated is laughable at best...how many lives , injuries, trillions of dollars wasted do you need ???....incredible !
They lied over and over...and cherry picked information to suit what they wanted for the " slam dunk" information...it was GWB call to make....they wanted to invade.....attacking Evil ???.....there is evil all over the world....where are the attacks ???....Saddam was our buddy for decades...all of a sudden he's evil ???...Rumsfeld didn't think so, and even met with him to make sure he was out buddy.....and to say we are k*****g a murderer, so we k**led literally hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians....women....children.....shame on you.....I want to know why you have not stupid ied, read up on , looked into, one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in this country , and yet zone in on B******I .???.....it's ridiculous at best......and you still support it !!.....and yet you still dn't see the hypocrisy ??

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Jan 21, 2016 22:38:35   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Your fellow isolationists were speaking of the Iraq War. Now you mention the Afghanistan War. I am guessing that you are even more ignorant than they are.

Why would attacking our enemies in Afghanistan not be worth the effort? This is barely worth mentioning, but President Obama said that the war in Afghanistan was on " the right battlefield " and " has to be won. "

So are you a r****t that you dare contradict our first African American President? Well?


OK fine. How many died only in Iraq. Plus, how many innocents, women and children, did we k**l collaterally in Iraq.

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Jan 21, 2016 22:42:03   #
Anigav6969
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
OK fine. How many died only in Iraq. Plus, how many innocents, women and children, did we k**l collaterally in Iraq.


He thinks this invasion will one day be vindicated...lol.....but of course he's not biased in any way ....noooooooo.......unreal .....to still support that mess....even Trump agrees it was and is a disaster !

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Jan 21, 2016 23:39:50   #
PeterS
 
son of witless wrote:
I dare you to give me a comparable incident in Afghanistan under Bush to the B******i fiasco. You give me generalizations against a specific event. You are arguing apples against my oranges.

Oh bulls**t. You get pinned down so you shift the bar. The ENTIRE Afghan war under Bush is comparable because Bush abandoned Afghanistan to fight a war we had no reason to be fighting. You're accusing Obama of abandoning Stevens and his group and I am accusing Bush of abandoning the entire US military who were left floundering in Afghanistan--under funded and under supported giving the size of the force against them.

There is no greater disgrace as a president than Bush, yet you are worried about the BS that has been spoon fed to you by the propaganda mills of the right. There is no denying what Bush has done--at one point there were only 3,000 troops in all of Afghanistan to try to control it--yet you sit here blowing a gasket over Obama when every single conservative appointed investigation, including the latest, has found no wrong doing by him, NONE!!! You are a disgrace for an American. You are so married to the agenda the right is feeding you that you are willing to sacrifice Americans finest solely so you can support it. Good god, how pathetic. You stood by and watched as Bush bungled his way through his administration, never uttered a word, and are the first to point fingers at others who have done nothing as egregious as those you are so determined to protect!

Well piss off! You and those like you are what's wrong with this country. You sit there and enabled the worst president this country ever had to offer and than blame those who are tasked with cleaning up the mess he left. And did it ever occur to you that if your congressional representatives had passed sufficient monies for protection, that had been requested yet turned down, there would have been sufficient security in B******i to protect Stevens and his contingent? Until you conservatives start learning how to wipe your own ass stop trying to pin the smell you leave on others!

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Jan 22, 2016 04:43:05   #
Harpooner1
 
son of witless wrote:
Your fellow isolationists were speaking of the Iraq War. Now you mention the Afghanistan War. I am guessing that you are even more ignorant than they are.

Why would attacking our enemies in Afghanistan not be worth the effort? This is barely worth mentioning, but President Obama said that the war in Afghanistan was on " the right battlefield " and " has to be won. "

So are you a r****t that you dare contradict our first African American President? Well?


Oh, you cannot attack Barack Hussein Obama. You are a r****t if you do. I am so afraid now!

I will attack anyone who is a threat to my country, the United States of America.
Obama is scum. When you lie over and over again to us, the people, you deserve the worst possible punishment. Obama has BETRAYED an entire nation. We were not prepared for this because honor was present in previous administrations....Some honor, at least.
Can't you see it? Obama is a weapon of mass destruction. No honor, no justice. That is what the legacy is.

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Jan 22, 2016 07:21:21   #
son of witless
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
OK fine. How many died only in Iraq. Plus, how many innocents, women and children, did we k**l collaterally in Iraq.


You are not well versed in history are you? The US more than any other country in the history of the universe goes out of it's way to cut down on collateral damage.

When you have a war you have collateral damage.

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Jan 22, 2016 07:22:27   #
son of witless
 
Harpooner1 wrote:
Oh, you cannot attack Barack Hussein Obama. You are a r****t if you do. I am so afraid now!

I will attack anyone who is a threat to my country, the United States of America.
Obama is scum. When you lie over and over again to us, the people, you deserve the worst possible punishment. Obama has BETRAYED an entire nation. We were not prepared for this because honor was present in previous administrations....Some honor, at least.
Can't you see it? Obama is a weapon of mass destruction. No honor, no justice. That is what the legacy is.
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Jan 22, 2016 07:28:43   #
son of witless
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh bulls**t. You get pinned down so you shift the bar. The ENTIRE Afghan war under Bush is comparable because Bush abandoned Afghanistan to fight a war we had no reason to be fighting. You're accusing Obama of abandoning Stevens and his group and I am accusing Bush of abandoning the entire US military who were left floundering in Afghanistan--under funded and under supported giving the size of the force against them.

There is no greater disgrace as a president than Bush, yet you are worried about the BS that has been spoon fed to you by the propaganda mills of the right. There is no denying what Bush has done--at one point there were only 3,000 troops in all of Afghanistan to try to control it--yet you sit here blowing a gasket over Obama when every single conservative appointed investigation, including the latest, has found no wrong doing by him, NONE!!! You are a disgrace for an American. You are so married to the agenda the right is feeding you that you are willing to sacrifice Americans finest solely so you can support it. Good god, how pathetic. You stood by and watched as Bush bungled his way through his administration, never uttered a word, and are the first to point fingers at others who have done nothing as egregious as those you are so determined to protect!

Well piss off! You and those like you are what's wrong with this country. You sit there and enabled the worst president this country ever had to offer and than blame those who are tasked with cleaning up the mess he left. And did it ever occur to you that if your congressional representatives had passed sufficient monies for protection, that had been requested yet turned down, there would have been sufficient security in B******i to protect Stevens and his contingent? Until you conservatives start learning how to wipe your own ass stop trying to pin the smell you leave on others!
Oh bulls**t. You get pinned down so you shift the ... (show quote)


Well now aren't you a piece of work? You jump me on politeness, so I apologize and try to be more civil. Now you tell me to piss off.

We are discussing ideas. I can match you point for point and insult for insult. Don't act like a precious little boy who can't mix it up with the big boys and then take the gloves off when I agree to play nice.

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Jan 22, 2016 07:32:29   #
son of witless
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
That was me who said that....I feel anyone that supports that debacle to this day should be shunned......to think that invasion will one day be vindicated is laughable at best...how many lives , injuries, trillions of dollars wasted do you need ???....incredible !
They lied over and over...and cherry picked information to suit what they wanted for the " slam dunk" information...it was GWB call to make....they wanted to invade.....attacking Evil ???.....there is evil all over the world....where are the attacks ???....Saddam was our buddy for decades...all of a sudden he's evil ???...Rumsfeld didn't think so, and even met with him to make sure he was out buddy.....and to say we are k*****g a murderer, so we k**led literally hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians....women....children.....shame on you.....I want to know why you have not stupid ied, read up on , looked into, one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in this country , and yet zone in on B******I .???.....it's ridiculous at best......and you still support it !!.....and yet you still dn't see the hypocrisy ??
That was me who said that....I feel anyone that su... (show quote)


I should be shunned? That is another way to tell me to shut up. Your words sound just as strange to me as I sound to you. I contradict and do everything I can to convince you that you are wrong, but I do not seek to limit what you say.

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Jan 22, 2016 08:12:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
You are not well versed in history are you? The US more than any other country in the history of the universe goes out of it's way to cut down on collateral damage.

When you have a war you have collateral damage.


No s**t, and that makes it a thing to be avoided, doesn't it? Collateral damage selectively hitting a known terrorist is one thing, bombing Baghdad is quite another.

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Jan 22, 2016 10:51:58   #
Anigav6969
 
son of witless wrote:
You are not well versed in history are you? The US more than any other country in the history of the universe goes out of it's way to cut down on collateral damage.

When you have a war you have collateral damage.


Lol....seriously ??....that's why we did not have to bomb Iraq.....we knew we would k**l innocent lives....your wonderful born again Christian, GWMoron, didn't give a crap if a few women and children burned to death....shame on you

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Jan 22, 2016 10:52:40   #
Anigav6969
 
son of witless wrote:
Well now aren't you a piece of work? You jump me on politeness, so I apologize and try to be more civil. Now you tell me to piss off.

We are discussing ideas. I can match you point for point and insult for insult. Don't act like a precious little boy who can't mix it up with the big boys and then take the gloves off when I agree to play nice.


And yet you conveniently ignored every point......perfect

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Jan 22, 2016 10:54:22   #
Anigav6969
 
son of witless wrote:
I should be shunned? That is another way to tell me to shut up. Your words sound just as strange to me as I sound to you. I contradict and do everything I can to convince you that you are wrong, but I do not seek to limit what you say.


You should be shamed ....how's that ??....better ??....bow your head....you support murder...I'm pretty sure that's a sin to the invisible man in the sky, isn't it ?

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