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Jan 11, 2016 10:30:52   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Germany on the Brink
[Ross Douthat]

Ross Douthat JAN. 9, 2016

ON New Year’s Eve, in the shadow of Cologne’s cathedral, crowds of North African and Middle Eastern men accosted women out for the night’s festivities. They surrounded them, groped them, robbed them. Two women were reportedly raped.

Though there were similar incidents from Hamburg to Helsinki, the authorities at first played down the assaults, lest they prove inconvenient for Angela Merkel’s policy of mass asylum for refugees.

That delay has now cost Cologne’s police chief his job. But the German government still seems more concerned about policing restless natives — most recently through a deal with Facebook and Google to restrict anti-immigrant postings — than with policing migration. Just last week Merkel rejected a proposal to cap refugee admissions (which topped one million last year) at 200,000 in 2016.

The underlying controversy here is not a new one. For decades conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic have warned that Europe’s generous immigration policies, often pursued in defiance of ordinary Europeans’ wishes, threaten to destabilize the continent.

The conservatives have made important points about the difficulty of assimilation, the threat of radicalization, and the likelihood of Paris-style and Cologne-style violence in European cities.

But they have also trafficked in more apocalyptic predictions — fears of a “Eurabia,” of mass Islamification — that were somewhat harder to credit. Until recently, Europe’s assimilation challenge looked unpleasant but not insurmountable, and the likelihood of Yugoslavian-style balkanization relatively remote.

With the current migration, though, we’re in uncharted territory. The issue isn’t just that immigrants are arriving in the hundreds of thousands rather than the tens of thousands. It’s that a huge proportion of them are teenage and twentysomething men.

In Sweden, for instance, which like Germany has had an open door, 71 percent of all asylum applicants in 2015 were men. Among the mostly-late-teenage category of “unaccompanied minors,” as Valerie Hudson points out in an important essay for Politico,” the ratios were even more skewed: “11.3 boys for every one girl.”

As Hudson notes, these trends have immediate implications for civil order — young men are, well, young men; societies with skewed sex ratios tend to be unstable; and many of these men carry assumptions about women’s roles that are diametrically opposed to the values of contemporary Europe.

But there’s also a longer term issue, beyond the need to persuade new arrivals that — to quote from a Norwegian curriculum for migrants — in Europe “to force someone into sex is not permitted.”

When immigration proceeds at a steady but modest clip, deep change comes slowly, and there’s time for assimilation to do its work. That’s why the Muslim population in Europe has been growing only at one percentage point a decade; it’s why many of the Turkish and North African immigrants who arrived in Germany and France decades ago are reasonably Europeanized today.

But if you add a million (or millions) of people, most of them young men, in one short period, you get a very different kind of shift.
"I heard from a friend". Go to Europe, Ross, study and learn and...
Dan 15 hours ago

The price Germany must pay to absorb these immigrants may seem high, but it's lower than the price it will pay if it pursues more...



In the German case the important number here isn’t the country’s total population, currently 82 million. It’s the twentysomething population, which was less than 10 million in 2013 (and of course already included many immigrants). In that cohort and every cohort afterward, the current influx could have a t***sformative effect.

How t***sformative depends on whether these men eventually find a way to bring brides and families to Europe as well. In terms of immediate civil peace, family formation or unification offers promise, since men with wives and children are less likely to grope revelers or graffiti synagogues or seek the solidarity of radicalism.

But it could also double or treble this migration’s demographic impact, pushing Germany toward a possible future in which half the under-40 population would consist of Middle Eastern and North African immigrants and their children.

If you believe that an aging, secularized, heretofore-mostly-homogeneous society is likely to peacefully absorb a migration of that size and scale of cultural difference, then you have a bright future as a spokesman for the current German government.

You’re also a fool. Such a t***sformation promises increasing polarization among natives and new arrivals alike. It threatens not just a spike in terrorism but a rebirth of 1930s-style political violence. The still-imaginary France Michel Houellebecq conjured up in his novel “Submission,” in which nativists and Islamists brawl in the streets, would have a very good chance of being realized in the German future.

This need not happen. But prudence requires doing everything possible to prevent it. That means closing Germany’s borders to new arrivals for the time being. It means beginning an orderly deportation process for able-bodied young men. It means giving up the fond illusion that Germany’s past sins can be absolved with a reckless humanitarianism in the present.

It means that Angela Merkel must go — so that her country, and the continent it bestrides, can avoid paying too high a price for her high-minded folly.

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Jan 11, 2016 10:51:17   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
Liberals here and in Canada should be paying close attention to the Lunacy of Merkel. Germany is just in the beginnings of a Civil revolt. This is what being Politically Correct gets you. It happening all over Europe. Time to send them back to there sand piles and let them k**l each other. You have to be a complete i***t to believe Islam is a religion of peace. It is a Political Cult with a mask of religion to hide its real purpose.


no propaganda please wrote:
Germany on the Brink
[Ross Douthat]

Ross Douthat JAN. 9, 2016

ON New Year’s Eve, in the shadow of Cologne’s cathedral, crowds of North African and Middle Eastern men accosted women out for the night’s festivities. They surrounded them, groped them, robbed them. Two women were reportedly raped.

Though there were similar incidents from Hamburg to Helsinki, the authorities at first played down the assaults, lest they prove inconvenient for Angela Merkel’s policy of mass asylum for refugees.

That delay has now cost Cologne’s police chief his job. But the German government still seems more concerned about policing restless natives — most recently through a deal with Facebook and Google to restrict anti-immigrant postings — than with policing migration. Just last week Merkel rejected a proposal to cap refugee admissions (which topped one million last year) at 200,000 in 2016.

The underlying controversy here is not a new one. For decades conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic have warned that Europe’s generous immigration policies, often pursued in defiance of ordinary Europeans’ wishes, threaten to destabilize the continent.

The conservatives have made important points about the difficulty of assimilation, the threat of radicalization, and the likelihood of Paris-style and Cologne-style violence in European cities.

But they have also trafficked in more apocalyptic predictions — fears of a “Eurabia,” of mass Islamification — that were somewhat harder to credit. Until recently, Europe’s assimilation challenge looked unpleasant but not insurmountable, and the likelihood of Yugoslavian-style balkanization relatively remote.

With the current migration, though, we’re in uncharted territory. The issue isn’t just that immigrants are arriving in the hundreds of thousands rather than the tens of thousands. It’s that a huge proportion of them are teenage and twentysomething men.

In Sweden, for instance, which like Germany has had an open door, 71 percent of all asylum applicants in 2015 were men. Among the mostly-late-teenage category of “unaccompanied minors,” as Valerie Hudson points out in an important essay for Politico,” the ratios were even more skewed: “11.3 boys for every one girl.”

As Hudson notes, these trends have immediate implications for civil order — young men are, well, young men; societies with skewed sex ratios tend to be unstable; and many of these men carry assumptions about women’s roles that are diametrically opposed to the values of contemporary Europe.

But there’s also a longer term issue, beyond the need to persuade new arrivals that — to quote from a Norwegian curriculum for migrants — in Europe “to force someone into sex is not permitted.”

When immigration proceeds at a steady but modest clip, deep change comes slowly, and there’s time for assimilation to do its work. That’s why the Muslim population in Europe has been growing only at one percentage point a decade; it’s why many of the Turkish and North African immigrants who arrived in Germany and France decades ago are reasonably Europeanized today.

But if you add a million (or millions) of people, most of them young men, in one short period, you get a very different kind of shift.
"I heard from a friend". Go to Europe, Ross, study and learn and...
Dan 15 hours ago

The price Germany must pay to absorb these immigrants may seem high, but it's lower than the price it will pay if it pursues more...



In the German case the important number here isn’t the country’s total population, currently 82 million. It’s the twentysomething population, which was less than 10 million in 2013 (and of course already included many immigrants). In that cohort and every cohort afterward, the current influx could have a t***sformative effect.

How t***sformative depends on whether these men eventually find a way to bring brides and families to Europe as well. In terms of immediate civil peace, family formation or unification offers promise, since men with wives and children are less likely to grope revelers or graffiti synagogues or seek the solidarity of radicalism.

But it could also double or treble this migration’s demographic impact, pushing Germany toward a possible future in which half the under-40 population would consist of Middle Eastern and North African immigrants and their children.

If you believe that an aging, secularized, heretofore-mostly-homogeneous society is likely to peacefully absorb a migration of that size and scale of cultural difference, then you have a bright future as a spokesman for the current German government.

You’re also a fool. Such a t***sformation promises increasing polarization among natives and new arrivals alike. It threatens not just a spike in terrorism but a rebirth of 1930s-style political violence. The still-imaginary France Michel Houellebecq conjured up in his novel “Submission,” in which nativists and Islamists brawl in the streets, would have a very good chance of being realized in the German future.

This need not happen. But prudence requires doing everything possible to prevent it. That means closing Germany’s borders to new arrivals for the time being. It means beginning an orderly deportation process for able-bodied young men. It means giving up the fond illusion that Germany’s past sins can be absolved with a reckless humanitarianism in the present.

It means that Angela Merkel must go — so that her country, and the continent it bestrides, can avoid paying too high a price for her high-minded folly.
Germany on the Brink br Ross Douthat br br Ross... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2016 10:59:52   #
boatbob2
 
I would REALLY like to know,How do these MORONIC,I***TS get elected to these jobs???????????

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Jan 11, 2016 11:03:07   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
Obama got elected. I***ts elect Morons.
boatbob2 wrote:
I would REALLY like to know,How do these MORONIC,I***TS get elected to these jobs???????????

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Jan 11, 2016 11:03:31   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
boatbob2 wrote:
I would REALLY like to know,How do these MORONIC,I***TS get elected to these jobs???????????


A combination of fraud and uninformed v**ers, I would expect.

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Jan 11, 2016 11:08:31   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
I believe there is going to be big time fraud this coming November. It's obvious the Dems are in a serious situation. If they loose a few will face criminal charges. The corruption is much worse than we imagine.
no propaganda please wrote:
A combination of fraud and uninformed v**ers, I would expect.

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Jan 11, 2016 11:21:55   #
DamnYANKEE
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Germany on the Brink
[Ross Douthat]

Ross Douthat JAN. 9, 2016

ON New Year’s Eve, in the shadow of Cologne’s cathedral, crowds of North African and Middle Eastern men accosted women out for the night’s festivities. They surrounded them, groped them, robbed them. Two women were reportedly raped.

Though there were similar incidents from Hamburg to Helsinki, the authorities at first played down the assaults, lest they prove inconvenient for Angela Merkel’s policy of mass asylum for refugees.

That delay has now cost Cologne’s police chief his job. But the German government still seems more concerned about policing restless natives — most recently through a deal with Facebook and Google to restrict anti-immigrant postings — than with policing migration. Just last week Merkel rejected a proposal to cap refugee admissions (which topped one million last year) at 200,000 in 2016.

The underlying controversy here is not a new one. For decades conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic have warned that Europe’s generous immigration policies, often pursued in defiance of ordinary Europeans’ wishes, threaten to destabilize the continent.

The conservatives have made important points about the difficulty of assimilation, the threat of radicalization, and the likelihood of Paris-style and Cologne-style violence in European cities.

But they have also trafficked in more apocalyptic predictions — fears of a “Eurabia,” of mass Islamification — that were somewhat harder to credit. Until recently, Europe’s assimilation challenge looked unpleasant but not insurmountable, and the likelihood of Yugoslavian-style balkanization relatively remote.

With the current migration, though, we’re in uncharted territory. The issue isn’t just that immigrants are arriving in the hundreds of thousands rather than the tens of thousands. It’s that a huge proportion of them are teenage and twentysomething men.

In Sweden, for instance, which like Germany has had an open door, 71 percent of all asylum applicants in 2015 were men. Among the mostly-late-teenage category of “unaccompanied minors,” as Valerie Hudson points out in an important essay for Politico,” the ratios were even more skewed: “11.3 boys for every one girl.”

As Hudson notes, these trends have immediate implications for civil order — young men are, well, young men; societies with skewed sex ratios tend to be unstable; and many of these men carry assumptions about women’s roles that are diametrically opposed to the values of contemporary Europe.

But there’s also a longer term issue, beyond the need to persuade new arrivals that — to quote from a Norwegian curriculum for migrants — in Europe “to force someone into sex is not permitted.”

When immigration proceeds at a steady but modest clip, deep change comes slowly, and there’s time for assimilation to do its work. That’s why the Muslim population in Europe has been growing only at one percentage point a decade; it’s why many of the Turkish and North African immigrants who arrived in Germany and France decades ago are reasonably Europeanized today.

But if you add a million (or millions) of people, most of them young men, in one short period, you get a very different kind of shift.
"I heard from a friend". Go to Europe, Ross, study and learn and...
Dan 15 hours ago

The price Germany must pay to absorb these immigrants may seem high, but it's lower than the price it will pay if it pursues more...



In the German case the important number here isn’t the country’s total population, currently 82 million. It’s the twentysomething population, which was less than 10 million in 2013 (and of course already included many immigrants). In that cohort and every cohort afterward, the current influx could have a t***sformative effect.

How t***sformative depends on whether these men eventually find a way to bring brides and families to Europe as well. In terms of immediate civil peace, family formation or unification offers promise, since men with wives and children are less likely to grope revelers or graffiti synagogues or seek the solidarity of radicalism.

But it could also double or treble this migration’s demographic impact, pushing Germany toward a possible future in which half the under-40 population would consist of Middle Eastern and North African immigrants and their children.

If you believe that an aging, secularized, heretofore-mostly-homogeneous society is likely to peacefully absorb a migration of that size and scale of cultural difference, then you have a bright future as a spokesman for the current German government.

You’re also a fool. Such a t***sformation promises increasing polarization among natives and new arrivals alike. It threatens not just a spike in terrorism but a rebirth of 1930s-style political violence. The still-imaginary France Michel Houellebecq conjured up in his novel “Submission,” in which nativists and Islamists brawl in the streets, would have a very good chance of being realized in the German future.

This need not happen. But prudence requires doing everything possible to prevent it. That means closing Germany’s borders to new arrivals for the time being. It means beginning an orderly deportation process for able-bodied young men. It means giving up the fond illusion that Germany’s past sins can be absolved with a reckless humanitarianism in the present.

It means that Angela Merkel must go — so that her country, and the continent it bestrides, can avoid paying too high a price for her high-minded folly.
Germany on the Brink br Ross Douthat br br Ross... (show quote)


Just Wait . It WILL start Here Too . ARM UP and GET READY AMERICA

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Jan 11, 2016 13:21:22   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
DamnYANKEE wrote:
Just Wait . It WILL start Here Too . ARM UP and GET READY AMERICA


Thats exactly what's been happening.

Obammy has created a gun buying frenzy.

Isn't that proof enough that he's as dumb as a crack rock ?

http://www.thet***haboutguns.com/2015/12/foghorn/white-house-shocked-by-gun-sales-surge/

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Jan 11, 2016 16:11:45   #
boatbob2
 
NAH,obozo is DUMBER than a crack head,OR a crack rock...

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Jan 12, 2016 05:34:08   #
Orrie
 
boatbob2 wrote:
I would REALLY like to know,How do these MORONIC,I***TS get elected to these jobs???????????


Easy! They lie!!!

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Jan 12, 2016 07:29:54   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
boatbob2 wrote:
NAH,obozo is DUMBER than a crack head,OR a crack rock...











Unfortunately, "BHB's" handlers, currently of c*******t AND Muslim decent are quite-well educated by the "earthly" forces, and have had a very quiet and deceptive "agenda" and ideology to "bring America to (her) knees," for more than a hundred years. Government, education, "religion," politics and the "media," in OUR free-market Western culture, is easier and MUCH more beneficial and lucrative to infest than, let's say c*******t China - or Russia, N. Korea, N. Vietnam, just to name a few. Who the HELL [besides God, Judeo-Christian Ministers and Muslim Imams] would want to even TRY to upset the diabolical mechanism of godless nations that provide ample doses of arsenic for c*******t/Muslim dissenters, or lock you up and throw away the key; and only God, the devil and the unfortunate victim knows "what goes on behind [Theocratic or c*******t] closed [barred] doors." Hummmmmmm.

Hell, there's a vast difference between arsenic, prison and "entitlements," ranging from free [American taxpayer funded] t***sportation, non-assimilating housing, millions of acres of land, medical, education, mosques, weapons? and all the naïve Judeo-Christian ["Infidel"] women and boys you can rape!!! It's rather easy to see why China and Russia are joining ISIS to get free passage to the vast American "entitlements;" but who on OPP can actually see a slight undercurrent of deception??? A "Marx/Alinsky/ Mohammed" conspiracy of sorts, being fully implemented by secular progressive "liberalism," that has been fully functioning under-the-radar of hard-working, patriotic Americans. Hummmmmmmm, again. GOOOOOOOOO TRUMP!!!!

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Jan 12, 2016 09:11:45   #
GRB777
 
These lunatics don't get elected; they're installed. If you think your v**e counts you're wrong.

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Jan 12, 2016 09:23:01   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
GRB777 wrote:
These lunatics don't get elected; they're installed. If you think your v**e counts you're wrong.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 12, 2016 11:29:46   #
boatbob2
 
My V**E,would count,IF they would leave the dead,in their graves,instead of bringing them into v**e.

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Jan 12, 2016 16:02:49   #
Fred Parsons
 
having spent six years in Germany back in the 60s, it is
amazing that the average German is putting up with this
kind of BS

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