jasfourth401, Acting superior and condescending cheapens your statement and argument, and the numerous fallacy's that spews forth in your opinions.

What ever float's your boat.

Thats your choice as an American, to choose to be armed or to be dis-armed, It's still a free country to do as you please and make those choices.

But since you don't live here in the USA, what right do you have in dictating to other Americans on how they should live . . . and if they choose to purchase weapons legally.

That my friend is a Red-herring, Straw-man fallacy and a fools cop-out to your argument and opinion diatribe nonsense.


I personally don't own any weapon's but do advocate the freedoms that American's still have the right to choose to purchase weapons guaranteed by the United States Constitution and the Bill Of Rights.

1. This year in 2015 we see a global Islamic fundamentalist jihad terrorism epidemic and crime spree in functioning democracies. All for the world-wide multicultural belief that we are all the same mentally and spiritually.

My friend you are naive to say the least. . .

Yes Criminals and terrorists have always been around, and will continue to be around, therefor what is your position on that opinion on that?

How will you choose to confront the criminal or terrorist at your doorstep, or in the grocery market or in public places. You have no statistics to prove your claim that you are any safer than I am, to these criminal threats.

Are you so insulated from others and live like a hermit, monastery to believe your argument.

History, facts and statistics will prove you wrong, time and time again.

Everything changes, the world is changing, it was not the same 100 years ago, 50 years ago and even 20 years ago. Live in your utopian world, but you are still apart of this world . . .

Criminals and terrorists are above the law, they don't care about the law or your Constitutional rights or World rights.


With all due-respect jasfourth401, Islamic jihad terrorism and crime is a fact of life.

It's here to stay and the better that you insulate yourself in your utopian bubble the more denial you espouse to the obvious personal flaw that crime and religious bigotry of Islamic jihad terrorism is here to stay.

All criminals and terrorists care about is their own-personal lawlessness and the ability to k**l, harm, rob and practice religious jihad and the ability to strike fear in law abiding American citizens and innocent people around the world.


Putting sarcasm aside, I’m fully aware that many Muslims have issues with Israel and with American interventionism in Muslim countries, and I’m aware that interpersonal relationships can trigger workplace violence.

But what we have here is a case of Islamic terrorism, plain and simple, and that’s what our leaders and the media needed to emphasize from the start.

This is a worldwide Muslim Islamic terrorist phenomena and statistical facts in this country since 1993 and the violence is only increasing exponentially, that can and will not be denied by you and other liberals, the liberal media and our liberal president.

2. Simple statistics; jasfourth401 you haven't provided any statistics.

This is another poor straw-man's fallacy argument to start off with in your opinion,

Facts, facts, facts, and statistics to back up your opinion's, you haven't provided any statistical information to support any of your fallacy statements.

2. Statistically, Prove your lunacy assumption, the odds of getting k**led by gun are greater for you then me. You don't know me and how I live and work ? This is just another fallacy and all you are doing is typing ASCII numerical code from one computer to another computer.

Please, get real with your sanctimonious superior liberal crap, no it is you that cheapen the Gun-Control argument and crude remarks in your opinion.

Back at you.

So now we are at a point in the conversation to "disagree to disagree."

Although the only thing that I can provide is Facts and statistics and you still can't.

Hence is the end of the conversation and the Gun-Control argument.

This is another of your poor straw-man's fallacy argument. And is only an opinion not based on any facts.

3. jasfourth401, Being naive and stupid is no way to go through life.

My comment was to PeterS, you denigrate yourself with not viewing the facts and the statistical proof about "Liberal-Gun-Control.

Liberal Denial, is not a river in Egypt. It is a embedded liberal mindset especially on Gun Control. (see graph) The democratic liberal 41% percentage has not changed

The more gun ownership by legal abiding citizens the lower crime rate and the lower the homicide rate goes down, the CDC and crime statistics prove the argument. Provide facts to counter these statistics.

4. Such a condescending know-it-all-smug liberal comment.

And you also "Have a nice weekend."

Well, it appears that being polite is an issue for you.

That's fine. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

But please know I won't stoop to your level of anger and insult. It is a sure sign of an angry old man rotting away from the inside with little to say except for an incoherent screed of typo laced silliness.

You should take some p***e in the English language sparky.

It's how Americans speak and correspond.

For the record I am a republican and do not believe in gun control, which renders your rant about liberals moot.

As far as statistics, I like to keep it simple.

30,000 dead by gun every year, with 20,000 of those suicides.

Of the remaining 10,000 deaths, 2,500 were white.

This is public record, easily accessible for you to view.

300 million people. 2,500 gun deaths.

Probability of getting k**led: 0.0000083% or essentially nil.

I also avoid blowing my brains out by suicide, eliminate the potential of "accidental discharge" (500 per year), and don't contribute to the pool of 225,000 guns stolen every year from legal gun owners and avoid the 84,000 people badly injured every year from firearms.

This is also public record and easily viewed.

Those are the statistics.

That is what I base my choice on.

It can stop where we want it to stop. Here is my reasoning--legalize 6 shot revolvers and bolt action rifles. All semi auto weapons are made illegal. Doing this won't eliminate the problem, just reduce the number of people who might be k**led, and we will still have available guns for our protection. Suicides will be unaffected, just the general carnage that we see from semi-auto weapons as with Sacramento where 14 were k**led and 20 wounded in under 4 minutes will be limited. Now mind you, current ownership of semi-auto's would have to be grandfathered but sales and t***sfers of those weapons will be made illegal. That's not a solution but would appease the left and the self-defense argument of the right is left intact.

Professor-of-psychology know-it-all, guess you didn't get the memo . . .

I belong to the Constitutional party Republicans and Democrats are almost virtually one and the same on all but a few issues.

If you want to change the law especially, the Second amendment do this by legal method and not by Executive fiat action as Obama is doing.

The liberal agenda on gun-control is doing in this country any favors, and is just polarizing the liberal base and putting fear in the American people to purchase more and more weapons every time Obama speaks . . .

It also does not help to have an administration with a pro-Islamic immigration policy, that does not adhere to vetting of foreign individuals, not controlling the U.S. borders and or expelling foreign nationals that have extended their stay here in America.

Just see how Republicans v**e for in Congress, spineless . . . Neo-cons.


Unfortunately, "You have no skin in America" you said that you no longer live here in the USA.

Your still dictating to Americans how they should live their lives, in respects to weapon-ownership and Gun-Control in this country.

Talking about statistics, your on the same CDC death statistics page as myself, rounding up and down in some areas. (See Image)

As far as homicides 80 % are gang related 20 % are not all white deaths.
And the number is 1,712 is actual CDC total's in a country of 312 million and not 2,500 white homicides per year.

The real tragedy is the senseless cost of injuries by gun violence by criminals and terrorists perpetrated on innocent by-standers. This is caused by criminals, terrorist and psychologically demented people that should have been institutionalized.

But this country the AMA, the APA and the government believes in the self medication preferred method of mental health care.

jasfourth401, You will never control mentally deranged people, criminals and terrorists they will be always be outside the law, constitution and human morality.

So the bubble called life that you surround yourself will some day will have contact with these people, ally do is mitigate your exposure to these three personal elements.

FUBAR comes to mind in a perfect world.

Suicide is also a national and world tragedy and guns it appears to be the preferred method in the United States and world wide.

Gun-Control, is never going to stop the 20,000 weapon suicide or suicide in general, period.

Human self-violence is a personal issue, the weapon is a means to an end.

There are many other ways to commit suicide, weapon suicide is the most sensational and gets the most media headlines attention.

So are you saying that if you owned a weapon that you could take your own life ?

The OPP post article begs to ask the question, "Does America Have A Gun Problem ?

Or is it a world-wide societal psychology mental health problem ?

And what are the solution to gun-violence, suicide, homicides ?

Defiantly it is not in the confiscation of weapon's by our government and by other worldwide governments

That appears to be the issue at hand, human violence and mental illness.

That is the thin-line between the two.

One is overt and the other is introvert.

And can governments stop the violence.