Sabbath: Sabbath Does God want worship or obedience? Does He want us to praise Him for what little we know about him? Does He want us to learn of Him, what He did and what He went...

fredlott63

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Does God want worship or obedience? Does He want us to praise Him for what little we know about him? Does He want us to learn of Him, what He did and what He went through with His children? Does the day of the week we worship make any difference? God would be more pleased if we did what He said, than if we mindlessly sing songs that make us feel good. We go to church looking more for what we can get instead of what we can give, looking for God to bless us instead of working and educating ourselves so that we can get a better life. The day of the week we worship does not make us any closer to God than anyone else. Read the 14th chapter of Romans. We should put more emphasis on teaching Gods word with understanding instead of singing songs where the lyrics have nothing to do with the bible. 1 Samuel 15:22 says, To obey is better than sacrifice. Nothing is accomplished when you listen to a song. The bible teaches what has happened, what decision we should make right now, as well as what will happen. But you cannot learn being taught by someone who doesnt know himself. Jesus is quoted in Mark 2:27 that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. We are not pieces of wood and we should take some time to relax, plan our work, and work our plan.

THSWarrior

In the first chapter of Genesis the Holy Bible clearly says "In the beginning God...created mankind in His own image, male and female created He them." The Holy Bible also says that "God is Love." Logic concludes that all mankind must be Love--because all mankind was created by God, in God's image and likeness.
All human suffering will end when enough humans claim this Great Truth of Being and learn to live in Love.

susanblange Loc: USA

Keeping the Sabbath was a very important commandment and it identified the people who belonged to the living God, the creator. The northern kingdom of ten tribes have lost their identity and fallen again into idolatry because they didn't observe the Sabbath.

hopespringse Loc: Wales

Are you under the laws of Moses or are you under grace. If you feel the need to keep the sabbath, then beware, you might desire circumcision, abstain from pork. Those who live under the law are judged by the law. I'll take saved by grace any day not by works lest any man should boast.

susanblange Loc: USA

hopespringse wrote:

Are you under the laws of Moses or are you under grace. If you feel the need to keep the sabbath, then beware, you might desire circumcision, abstain from pork. Those who live under the law are judged by the law. I'll take saved by grace any day not by works lest any man should boast.

There are 613 laws and I try to keep all of them. The Decalogue was written in stone by the finger of God and will never change. This includes the Sabbath. As far as the rest of the law is concerned, God will make a new and everlasting covenant with all of Israel, or the "elect". Jeremiah 31:31. It will usually say in the Torah if a statute is "perpetual" or "forever". Times have changed and the law will change with it. But that's not until the Messiah comes.

hopespringse Loc: Wales

But what happens when you don't keep one of those laws? you broke the law a price has to be paid. Unfortunately we are conceived in sin so the dice are loaded before we take our first breath. What sacrifice do you have that is acceptable to Almighty God as a sin offering? What can you do to atone for breaking the law?

susanblange Loc: USA

hopespringse wrote:

But what happens when you don't keep one of those laws? you broke the law a price has to be paid. Unfortunately we are conceived in sin so the dice are loaded before we take our first breath. What sacrifice do you have that is acceptable to Almighty God as a sin offering? What can you do to atone for breaking the law?

Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement atones for sins against God in spirit. Sins that had no victim. It also atones for sins committed against other people as long as we repent and make restitution. On Yom Kippur, we fast for 24 hours and afflict our soul (body). Nothing to eat and nothing to drink.

hopespringse Loc: Wales

Thank you, This day was established as a temporary measure until the real day of atonement. Jesus gave his life on the cross and through the shedding of his blood the sins of the world have been forgiven. Trying to live by the law will not bring salvation, all my good deeds are as filthy rags, only repentance and acceptance of this wonderful, marvellous gift from Almighty God can get anyone into heaven. In Leviticus we learn of the scapegoat and the cleansing ritual of the high priest, the sacrifice, the communion between God and man in the holy of holies behind the veil.
This was an act of mercy from Almighty God that placed the blood of the sacrifice over the sins of the people. It is important to remember this is Devine intervention out of Gods love for us. Remember also that while the children of Isreal and Judah were sinners Almighty God made this happen. While we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
The temple has long gone from Jerusalem, the earthly high priest is no more, Behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom;
and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.

As an addendum,when they restore the temple with international aid and they cry peace, RUN.
God bless.

fiatlux

fredlott63 wrote:

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Excellent, thank you.

fiatlux

THSWarrior wrote:

In the first chapter of Genesis the Holy Bible clearly says "In the beginning God...created mankind in His own image, male and female created He them." The Holy Bible also says that "God is Love." Logic concludes that all mankind must be Love--because all mankind was created by God, in God's image and likeness.
All human suffering will end when enough humans claim this Great Truth of Being and learn to live in Love.

Totally and enthusiastically agree.

fiatlux

susanblange wrote:

Keeping the Sabbath was a very important commandment and it identified the people who belonged to the living God, the creator. The northern kingdom of ten tribes have lost their identity and fallen again into idolatry because they didn't observe the Sabbath.

Twice Jesus was reprimanded for not keeping the Sabbath, as was David: what do you conclude?

fiatlux

susanblange wrote:

There are 613 laws and I try to keep all of them. The Decalogue was written in stone by the finger of God and will never change. This includes the Sabbath. As far as the rest of the law is concerned, God will make a new and everlasting covenant with all of Israel, or the "elect". Jeremiah 31:31. It will usually say in the Torah if a statute is "perpetual" or "forever". Times have changed and the law will change with it. But that's not until the Messiah comes.

The 613 Laws were written by men who did not understand the power of love. One would need a gatrillion laws to cover any breach or just know love.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Rumitoid,

So it is your opinion that the Hebrews were incapable of love? And you say that our teaching had/has no understanding of love. One of our books of law is Leviticus, if you own a bible turn to 19:18: "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD." This was only repeated in the NT, Mark 12:31 not a new concept by any means. Your ignorance in religion is showing. And your continued dim view of Jews hinges on your inability to comprehend the Torah. A large part of Jewish law is about treating people with kindness. The same body of Jewish law that commands us to eat only kosher food and not to turn on lights on Shabbat, also commands us to love both Jews and strangers, to give tzedakah (charity) to the poor and needy, and not to wrong anyone in speech or in business. In fact, acts of kindness are so much a part of Jewish law that the word "mitzvah"--literally, "commandment"-- is informally used to mean any good deed.

Take the time to research before you comment. Sadly, this is not your strong suite, so this is just a friendly reminder.

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fiatlux wrote:

The 613 Laws were written by men who did not understand the power of love. One would need a gatrillion laws to cover any breach or just know love.

hopespringse Loc: Wales

Hi, I believe that religion and superficial rituals are to be avoided like the plaque. God is love, every act on his part towards us is motivated by love. The commandment's and Laws were part of a special bond between Almighty God and his people. Non chosen knew in their heart and would be judged accordingly. We can debate doctrine and theology till the world's end and not reach agreement. I would rather you took this, as I did, to the highest authority in the land, and heaven. Find a quiet place,be humble, get down on your knees and ask the saviour of the world to reveal himself to you. He loves you so much be prepared to have your life turned around. Seek and yea shall find. If you seek the Lord you will find him, praise his name. If you seek excuses you will find them. What do you want. Almighty God or lame excuses.

susanblange Loc: USA

fiatlux wrote:

Twice Jesus was reprimanded for not keeping the Sabbath, as was David: what do you conclude?

Most Christians do not keep the Sabbath. (Except for seventh day Adventists). Sunday is the first day of the week and a work day. If you look on any calendar, Saturday is the last day of the week. Not keeping the Sabbath is a sin that can be forgiven.