Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
Here's a prime example of the difference - but don't worry - if Obamacare isn't thrown out you too will have the benefit of socialized medicine like the Canadians with but one difference - you won't have the option of going to a neighboring country
SYRACUSE TO CANADA:
COME FOR THE SURGERY, STAY FOR THE SHOPPING
LOCAL HOSPITALS WANT TO LURE CANADIANS WEARY OF LONG WAITS FOR MEDICAL PROCEDURES
By James T. Mulder
jmulder@syracuse.com
Local hospitals and doctors would like to hawk their services to Canadians weary of waiting months in their country for knee replacement surgeries, colonoscopies, cancer treatment and other medical procedures.
Canadians get most of their medical care for free through their governments health care system. But the waits are growing longer because of a doctor shortage and overcrowded clinics and emergency rooms.
The median wait time to see a specialist in Canada is 18.3 weeks, up from 9.3 weeks in 1993, according to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian research group.
Ontario residents wait an average of nine months for a knee replacement or other orthopedic surgery. In Syracuse, the same operation can be had in a few weeks.
The University Hill Corp., a Syracuse nonprofit planning and development organization that represents hospitals and academic institutions, hopes to exploit that difference. The group hired Electric Strategies, an Ontario consulting firm, which concluded that Syracuse may be able to lure a significant number of Eastern Ontarios 2 million medical consumers who are only a 3½- to 4½-hour drive away.
As many as 900,000 Ontarians are experiencing problems accessing medical care, a problem that is expected to worsen and send more of them across the border for health care, according to the report.
We know there is a demand and its a market we can go after, said David Mankiewicz, president of the University Hill Corp.
Were trying to see if we can drive those numbers up and get more patients here.
University Hill Corp. is working with Visit Syracuse, formerly known as the Syracuse Convention & Visitors Bureau, on the medical tourism project.
The hospital bill alone for knee replacement surgery in Syracuse can be $20,000 or more. Are there enough Canadians who can afford to pay out of pocket for big
SYRACUSE, PAGE A-12
Dr. Michael Wiese performs a left hip arthroscopy on a patient at Crouse Hospital. Kate Sears, RN, is in the foreground. Syracuse hospitals and doctors are hoping to lure Canadians for surgery and other medical procedures rather than face long waits up to 9 months for treatment in their own country.
(Ellen M. Blalock |
eblalock@Ssyracuse . com)
Dave wrote:
Here's a prime example of the difference - but don't worry - if Obamacare isn't thrown out you too will have the benefit of socialized medicine like the Canadians with but one difference - you won't have the option of going to a neighboring country
SYRACUSE TO CANADA:
COME FOR THE SURGERY, STAY FOR THE SHOPPING
LOCAL HOSPITALS WANT TO LURE CANADIANS WEARY OF LONG WAITS FOR MEDICAL PROCEDURES
By James T. Mulder
jmulder@syracuse.com
Local hospitals and doctors would like to hawk their services to Canadians weary of waiting months in their country for knee replacement surgeries, colonoscopies, cancer treatment and other medical procedures.
Canadians get most of their medical care for free through their governments health care system. But the waits are growing longer because of a doctor shortage and overcrowded clinics and emergency rooms.
The median wait time to see a specialist in Canada is 18.3 weeks, up from 9.3 weeks in 1993, according to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian research group.
Ontario residents wait an average of nine months for a knee replacement or other orthopedic surgery. In Syracuse, the same operation can be had in a few weeks.
The University Hill Corp., a Syracuse nonprofit planning and development organization that represents hospitals and academic institutions, hopes to exploit that difference. The group hired Electric Strategies, an Ontario consulting firm, which concluded that Syracuse may be able to lure a significant number of Eastern Ontarios 2 million medical consumers who are only a 3½- to 4½-hour drive away.
As many as 900,000 Ontarians are experiencing problems accessing medical care, a problem that is expected to worsen and send more of them across the border for health care, according to the report.
We know there is a demand and its a market we can go after, said David Mankiewicz, president of the University Hill Corp.
Were trying to see if we can drive those numbers up and get more patients here.
University Hill Corp. is working with Visit Syracuse, formerly known as the Syracuse Convention & Visitors Bureau, on the medical tourism project.
The hospital bill alone for knee replacement surgery in Syracuse can be $20,000 or more. Are there enough Canadians who can afford to pay out of pocket for big
SYRACUSE, PAGE A-12
Dr. Michael Wiese performs a left hip arthroscopy on a patient at Crouse Hospital. Kate Sears, RN, is in the foreground. Syracuse hospitals and doctors are hoping to lure Canadians for surgery and other medical procedures rather than face long waits up to 9 months for treatment in their own country.
(Ellen M. Blalock |
eblalock@Ssyracuse . com)
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Our military medical care is pure socialism and it seem to work quite well. Medicare is purely socialized medicine and it is cost effective and high quality. The Canadians love their health care system and it about an eighth the cost.
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
Glaucon wrote:
Our military medical care is pure socialism and it seem to work quite well. Medicare is purely socialized medicine and it is cost effective and high quality. The Canadians love their health care system and it about an eighth the cost.
Sure, the VA is wonderful - and all those who say there are problems, like Obama, are wrong.
Medicare is not socialized medicine - it is socialized healthcare insurance -
Canadians who are healthy love their system - those who are in need of care go to places near the border - if they can afford it - for care. Guess you didn't have the opportunity to read the article
Dave wrote:
Sure, the VA is wonderful - and all those who say there are problems, like Obama, are wrong.
Medicare is not socialized medicine - it is socialized healthcare insurance -
Canadians who are healthy love their system - those who are in need of care go to places near the border - if they can afford it - for care. Guess you didn't have the opportunity to read the article
I have read that article and many other articles. If I had read only one article as you apparently have, I might have come up with the sameconclusions.
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Dave wrote:
Sure, the VA is wonderful - and all those who say there are problems, like Obama, are wrong.
Medicare is not socialized medicine - it is socialized healthcare insurance -
Canadians who are healthy love their system - those who are in need of care go to places near the border - if they can afford it - for care. Guess you didn't have the opportunity to read the article
I am sure the Canadians have periodic problems with their medical care and are continuously improving it as is the VA system has to do.
Glaucon wrote:
I am sure the Canadians have periodic problems with their medical care and are continuously improving it as is the VA system has to do.
The VA is not improving. Ask any vet.
grumpymarine wrote:
The VA is not improving. Ask any vet.
I am a vet and it is my opinion that it is being improved.
Dave wrote:
Here's a prime example of the difference - but don't worry - if Obamacare isn't thrown out you too will have the benefit of socialized medicine like the Canadians with but one difference - you won't have the option of going to a neighboring country
SYRACUSE TO CANADA:
COME FOR THE SURGERY, STAY FOR THE SHOPPING
LOCAL HOSPITALS WANT TO LURE CANADIANS WEARY OF LONG WAITS FOR MEDICAL PROCEDURES
By James T. Mulder
jmulder@syracuse.com
Local hospitals and doctors would like to hawk their services to Canadians weary of waiting months in their country for knee replacement surgeries, colonoscopies, cancer treatment and other medical procedures.
Canadians get most of their medical care for free through their governments health care system. But the waits are growing longer because of a doctor shortage and overcrowded clinics and emergency rooms.
The median wait time to see a specialist in Canada is 18.3 weeks, up from 9.3 weeks in 1993, according to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian research group.
Ontario residents wait an average of nine months for a knee replacement or other orthopedic surgery. In Syracuse, the same operation can be had in a few weeks.
The University Hill Corp., a Syracuse nonprofit planning and development organization that represents hospitals and academic institutions, hopes to exploit that difference. The group hired Electric Strategies, an Ontario consulting firm, which concluded that Syracuse may be able to lure a significant number of Eastern Ontarios 2 million medical consumers who are only a 3½- to 4½-hour drive away.
As many as 900,000 Ontarians are experiencing problems accessing medical care, a problem that is expected to worsen and send more of them across the border for health care, according to the report.
We know there is a demand and its a market we can go after, said David Mankiewicz, president of the University Hill Corp.
Were trying to see if we can drive those numbers up and get more patients here.
University Hill Corp. is working with Visit Syracuse, formerly known as the Syracuse Convention & Visitors Bureau, on the medical tourism project.
The hospital bill alone for knee replacement surgery in Syracuse can be $20,000 or more. Are there enough Canadians who can afford to pay out of pocket for big
SYRACUSE, PAGE A-12
Dr. Michael Wiese performs a left hip arthroscopy on a patient at Crouse Hospital. Kate Sears, RN, is in the foreground. Syracuse hospitals and doctors are hoping to lure Canadians for surgery and other medical procedures rather than face long waits up to 9 months for treatment in their own country.
(Ellen M. Blalock |
eblalock@Ssyracuse . com)
Here's a prime example of the difference - but don... (
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I don't want to see socialized medicine here - but I do want to see a single payer system. Don't know the difference? Allow me to explain;
A single payer system, run by a contracted company ( such as BC/BS ), would gather premiums from all Americans based on income, negotiate the lowest possible price for medical procedures, treatments, drugs and related items, pay legitimate claims - and force health care providers to COMPETE for our health care business - just like every other corporation in the world does.
As it stands now, there is NO competition anywhere amongst health care related industries - so there is no market pressure to lower costs - which is why health care costs are skyrocketing beyond all reason. The Government would SAVE money with such a system - and OUR costs would go down too.
Dave wrote:
Sure, the VA is wonderful - and all those who say there are problems, like Obama, are wrong.
Medicare is not socialized medicine - it is socialized healthcare insurance -
Canadians who are healthy love their system - those who are in need of care go to places near the border - if they can afford it - for care. Guess you didn't have the opportunity to read the article
The VA is a crock of s**t. You guys are misinformed. Waiting time may have improved lately . However, It was reported in the MSM that 118.000 vets died before they could get care. director of the VA was forced to resign. .
lpnmajor wrote:
I don't want to see socialized medicine here - but I do want to see a single payer system. Don't know the difference? Allow me to explain;
A single payer system, run by a contracted company ( such as BC/BS ), would gather premiums from all Americans based on income, negotiate the lowest possible price for medical procedures, treatments, drugs and related items, pay legitimate claims - and force health care providers to COMPETE for our health care business - just like every other corporation in the world does.
As it stands now, there is NO competition anywhere amongst health care related industries - so there is no market pressure to lower costs - which is why health care costs are skyrocketing beyond all reason. The Government would SAVE money with such a system - and OUR costs would go down too.
I don't want to see socialized medicine here - but... (
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A single payer system is much more cost effective, efficient, and provides better medical services. However, it is socialism that works and some people get stuck on words not on outcomes.
Comment wrote:
The VA is a crock of s**t. You guys are misinformed. Waiting time may have improved lately . However, It was reported in the MSM that 118.000 vets died before they could get care. director of the VA was forced to resign. .
If they could get me to believe what you apparently believe, I would agree with you. You have bad information and you will continue reach wrong conclusions and bogus bulls**t until you stop seeking out bogus information. It is called the confirmation bias. Look it up.
Comment wrote:
The VA is a crock of s**t. You guys are misinformed. Waiting time may have improved lately . However, It was reported in the MSM that 118.000 vets died before they could get care. director of the VA was forced to resign. .
I thought you guys thought the MSM is evil. If the MSM said pigs could fly would you believe that?
Glaucon wrote:
A single payer system is much more cost effective, efficient, and provides better medical services. However, it is socialism that works and some people get stuck on words not on outcomes.
Most people equate socialism with c*******m - which is exactly the reaction politicians desired and worked tirelessly to produce. In point of fact, our current form of Government is far closer to c*******m than anything else and our economic system is an oligarchy.
Most people don't know that the Soviet union, although ostensibly c*******t - was actually run by an oligarchy - just like we are. Pure socialism would be an improvement all by itself, but I would prefer that we go BACK to a Democratic Republic - like we were originally.
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
Glaucon wrote:
I have read that article and many other articles. If I had read only one article as you apparently have, I might have come up with the sameconclusions.
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Sure, the medical providers in the article don't understand the economic dynamics of the Canadian health care system like you do - they only think Canadians travel south for care because so many Americans pretend to be Canadian and pay cash for services.
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
Glaucon wrote:
I am sure the Canadians have periodic problems with their medical care and are continuously improving it as is the VA system has to do.
Periodic problems are what is known as needing care - not everyone needs care all the time, but those who do need care will get it wherever they can if they can afford it.
The VA system is continuously improving in your imagination, but in the real world those who have abused it are still working there - and some of them who have been "punished" by being t***sferred have profited immensely from pseudo expenses and when questioned, took the 5th. Why would these unaccountable bureaucrats improve anything other than their own interests - they answer to no one.
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