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Dec 13, 2015 07:07:02   #
Carlos
 
why does the state of Vermont, which has the most lax gun control laws of any state in the country have the lowest crime in the country? (yet has the only
c*******t representative running for president)

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Dec 13, 2015 07:20:22   #
Huck Loc: The Midwest
 
Carlos wrote:
why does the state of Vermont, which has the most lax gun control laws of any state in the country have the lowest crime in the country? (yet has the only
c*******t representative running for president)


Because more guns relate directly to less crime. The C*******t running for President had nothing to do with that and would change it if he could. Huck

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Dec 13, 2015 08:10:09   #
PeterS
 
Huck wrote:
Because more guns relate directly to less crime. The C*******t running for President had nothing to do with that and would change it if he could. Huck

Somalia is proof positive of your thesis. And just when did the "laxest gun laws" t***slate to more guns? Vermont is only 14th in percent of gun ownership. What Vermont proves is that peaceable people don't need strick gun laws...

http://qz.com/437015/mapped-the-us-states-with-the-most-gun-owners-and-most-gun-deaths/

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Dec 13, 2015 08:24:58   #
JimMe
 
Carlos wrote:
why does the state of Vermont, which has the most lax gun control laws of any state in the country have the lowest crime in the country? (yet has the only
c*******t representative running for president)


Appears Vermonteers can Separate Their 2nd Amendment Rights and Their Socialistic Living AND V****G... Which puts them in a "Moderate Socialist" Category of ONE...

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Dec 13, 2015 09:01:42   #
Artemis
 
PeterS wrote:
Somalia is proof positive of your thesis. And just when did the "laxest gun laws" t***slate to more guns? Vermont is only 14th in percent of gun ownership. What Vermont proves is that peaceable people don't need strick gun laws...

http://qz.com/437015/mapped-the-us-states-with-the-most-gun-owners-and-most-gun-deaths/


Thank you Peter, if that doesn't say it nothing will. I would love to know out of those deaths how many were accidental and children...and not to say how sad to shoot a loved one in a moment of anger. For example an alcoholic, becomes coherent to find he k**led his wife and destroyed his life completely. Guns are not the peacemakers, and they really don't make you feel more safe having them in your home.

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Dec 13, 2015 09:47:56   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Artemis wrote:
Thank you Peter, if that doesn't say it nothing will. I would love to know out of those deaths how many were accidental and children...and not to say how sad to shoot a loved one in a moment of anger. For example an alcoholic, becomes coherent to find he k**led his wife and destroyed his life completely. Guns are not the peacemakers, and they really don't make you feel more safe having them in your home.


How fortunate for my family that I do not drink or use drugs, and that, according to the US Army, I am an expert with both rifle and pistol.

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Dec 13, 2015 10:10:35   #
guitarman Loc: University Park, Florida
 
Loki wrote:
How fortunate for my family that I do not drink or use drugs, and that, according to the US Army, I am an expert with both rifle and pistol.


What is the percetage of minority groups in Vermont? I am sure that is the key to the low crime rate.

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Dec 13, 2015 10:19:23   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Carlos wrote:
why does the state of Vermont, which has the most lax gun control laws of any state in the country have the lowest crime in the country? (yet has the only
c*******t representative running for president)


Perhaps it is because of the low number of non white people in the state. If you count the white population in the entire country and eamine the crime rates within that particular group you will find the crime rates exceedingly low.

Census Finds Least Diverse Part of Nation - ABC News
abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93608
According to the Census Bureau, Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire all have mostly white populations — in fact, at least 96 percent of the population of each ...

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Dec 13, 2015 10:41:38   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
guitarman wrote:
What is the percetage of minority groups in Vermont? I am sure that is the key to the low crime rate.


The percentage is 3.3% non-white of all races. I believe it is about 2% black. In fact, the states with the highest white population has the lowest crime rate in, I believe, every case. ME, NH, VT, and W VA have the highest percentage of w****s, and three of them have very low violent crime rates. I'm not sure about W VA, but it would be an anomaly. Hawaii has a low crime rate also, but they also have a large number of Asians, who are traditionally quite law abiding in this country. Hawaii would be considered an anomaly also, because it is unique among the states. All the other states with large minority populations have large populations of B****s and Hispanics, HI has lots of Asians.

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Dec 13, 2015 12:41:26   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Loki wrote:
The percentage is 3.3% non-white of all races. I believe it is about 2% black. In fact, the states with the highest white population has the lowest crime rate in, I believe, every case. ME, NH, VT, and W VA have the highest percentage of w****s, and three of them have very low violent crime rates. I'm not sure about W VA, but it would be an anomaly. Hawaii has a low crime rate also, but they also have a large number of Asians, who are traditionally quite law abiding in this country. Hawaii would be considered an anomaly also, because it is unique among the states. All the other states with large minority populations have large populations of B****s and Hispanics, HI has lots of Asians.
The percentage is 3.3% non-white of all races. I b... (show quote)



West Virginia has about 5% black population many of whom are descendants of those who were strike breakers in the union strikes around 50 or more years ago. South Charleston, and Princeton have a slightly higher percentage black,as do the areas near the Virginia border. Much of the crime rate in WV is related to meth and oxycodone use, but the murder rate is low, primarily because almost everyone has at least one gun and knows how to use it. That keeps down the home burglaries and related crimes. The larger cities have a gang problem unfortunately.
http://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+crime+rate+in+West+Virginia&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrt7DurdnJAhVFzIMKHZigAJsQsAQINQ&biw=1366&bih=604

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Dec 14, 2015 23:22:53   #
angery american Loc: Georgia
 
Artemis wrote:
Thank you Peter, if that doesn't say it nothing will. I would love to know out of those deaths how many were accidental and children...and not to say how sad to shoot a loved one in a moment of anger. For example an alcoholic, becomes coherent to find he k**led his wife and destroyed his life completely. Guns are not the peacemakers, and they really don't make you feel more safe having them in your home.




How many Syrian Muslim Refugee families can we count on you to take into you home and feed....? They will probably not have any guns...But they will be allowed to keep their knives......Come on now, How many do you wont..?

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Dec 15, 2015 00:02:06   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Artemis wrote:
Thank you Peter, if that doesn't say it nothing will. I would love to know out of those deaths how many were accidental and children...and not to say how sad to shoot a loved one in a moment of anger. For example an alcoholic, becomes coherent to find he k**led his wife and destroyed his life completely. Guns are not the peacemakers, and they really don't make you feel more safe having them in your home.
Damn, you nitwits make it sound like the homes of 80 million American gun owners are nothing but slaughter houses--blood on walls, blood on the ceiling, blood on the carpet, blood in the tub, guts on the rug, and dead kids everywhere.

I've lived my entire life--from birth--in a family of shooters, a neighborhood of shooters, a town full of shooters. My dad was a shooter, my mom was a shooter, and I started shooting at age five (under dad's supervision, of course). Dad gave me my first gun at age seven, and I've owned guns since. I have yet to hear of a fatal gun discharge. Not to say we haven't had a gun accidentally discharge a time or two, but I'd say way over three fourths of those were due to a problem with the gun, not the handler. You just don't fool around with guns, loaded or not. (All guns are loaded, by the way, whether they are loaded or not).

The county I now live in has not seen a gun death--other than one suicide--for over 20 years, and pretty much every family owns at least one gun. This is truly one of the most peaceful areas I've ever lived--and I've moved around.

In 2013 and again in 2014, the CDC published its stats on accidental gun deaths nationwide---500 to 600. Compared to 36,000 k**led in vehicle accidents, I'd say that gun owners have a commendable safety record.

And, dammit all, everyone has to register their cars.

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Dec 15, 2015 08:04:39   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Damn, you nitwits make it sound like the homes of 80 million American gun owners are nothing but slaughter houses--blood on walls, blood on the ceiling, blood on the carpet, blood in the tub, guts on the rug, and dead kids everywhere.

I've lived my entire life--from birth--in a family of shooters, a neighborhood of shooters, a town full of shooters. My dad was a shooter, my mom was a shooter, and I started shooting at age five (under dad's supervision, of course). Dad gave me my first gun at age seven, and I've owned guns since. I have yet to hear of a fatal gun discharge. Not to say we haven't had a gun accidentally discharge a time or two, but I'd say way over three fourths of those were due to a problem with the gun, not the handler. You just don't fool around with guns, loaded or not. (All guns are loaded, by the way, whether they are loaded or not).

The county I now live in has not seen a gun death--other than one suicide--for over 20 years, and pretty much every family owns at least one gun. This is truly one of the most peaceful areas I've ever lived--and I've moved around.

In 2013 and again in 2014, the CDC published its stats on accidental gun deaths nationwide---500 to 600. Compared to 36,000 k**led in vehicle accidents, I'd say that gun owners have a commendable safety record.

And, dammit all, everyone has to register their cars.
Damn, you nitwits make it sound like the homes of ... (show quote)

I don't think the premise was accidental. Below are the total stats for 2014

Total Number of Incidents .....51,772
Number of Deaths1 ..............12,574
Number of Injuries1 ..............23,037
Number of Children (age 0-11) K**led/Injured 628
Number of Teens (age 12-17) K**led/Injured 2,371
Mass Shooting2 ........................281
Officer Involved Incident......... 3,214
Home Invasion....................... 2,609
Defensive Use.........................1,583
Accidental Shooting................ 1,602

Based on the above I would say the carnage perceived is indeed what is displayed.

And certainly car accidents to gun accidents is a good analogy. As always, you are at the top of your game.

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Dec 15, 2015 08:26:30   #
Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon
 
Artemis wrote:
Thank you Peter, if that doesn't say it nothing will. I would love to know out of those deaths how many were accidental and children...and not to say how sad to shoot a loved one in a moment of anger. For example an alcoholic, becomes coherent to find he k**led his wife and destroyed his life completely. Guns are not the peacemakers, and they really don't make you feel more safe having them in your home.




You and PT really need to catch up and get current instead spewing talking points from your King and his l*****t agenda...you all are truly looking like Gruber was right...


A Rassmussen Poll released last week must have gun grabbers scratching their heads and calculating ways to manipulate their talking points accordingly.

In a telephone poll conducted by New York Daily News/Rasmussen Reports between November 30 – December 1, 2015 found that 61% of American adults agree with the statement, “The NRA supports gun policies that make all Americans safer.” That includes 35% who strongly agree.

That’s a 12% increase since 2012, when a poll conducted the same time three years ago after the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut. At that time, 49% of Americans viewed the NRA favorably, while 41% shared an unfavorable view of the organization.

When NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre said, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” at a media event, it was interrupted by protesters. One protester held a banner reading, “N.R.A. K*****g Our Kids.”

In 2012, when the NRA endorsed armed guards at schools following the Connecticut incident, the statement was immediately met with skepticism and even calls that the NRA VP was ‘delusional’. Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said arming schools ‘would not make them safer’.

However, a Rasmussen Reports survey conducted less than a month after Sandy Hook showed 62% of parents of school-aged children confirming they would feel safer with an armed security guard at their child’s school. Only 22% said they would feel safer if their child attended a gun-free school.

Fast forwarding to 2015, a November poll showed 75% of likely American v**ers now consider the right to bear arms important, including 54% who feel that right is very important, these polls continue to show a trend. That’s a 7% increase from three years ago when the question was first asked, when 68% rated gun rights important, including 49% who said it is very important.

With the NRA working hard to provide crucial programs to assist gun owners nationwide and it’s NRA-ILA side working to ensure gun owners Second Amendment rights aren’t trampled on by politicians, more Americans are taking notice. In spite of the efforts of Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and the Obama administration, the overwhelming support for all things 2A continues to rise.

I for one am thrilled to see the NRA receiving the (positive) attention it very much deserves.

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Dec 15, 2015 08:32:15   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
PeterS wrote:
I don't think the premise was accidental. Below are the total stats for 2014

Total Number of Incidents .....51,772
Number of Deaths1 ..............12,574
Number of Injuries1 ..............23,037
Number of Children (age 0-11) K**led/Injured 628
Number of Teens (age 12-17) K**led/Injured 2,371
Mass Shooting2 ........................281
Officer Involved Incident......... 3,214
Home Invasion....................... 2,609
Defensive Use.........................1,583
Accidental Shooting................ 1,602

Based on the above I would say the carnage perceived is indeed what is displayed.

And certainly car accidents to gun accidents is a good analogy. As always, you are at the top of your game.
I don't think the premise was accidental. Below ar... (show quote)


I am on top of mine.

http://www.shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014

You will notice that many of the shootings have some common threads.
Shooter unknown
A disproportionate amount of them happened in places with strict gun control.
A disproportionate number of them happened in areas that have large numbers of b****s.
You can check these figures against FBI data and you will find that more than half of these shootings are related to gang/drug activity. If you expect someone other than a dipsy-doodle Liberal to get worked up over a bunch of gang-bangers getting all Darwinian, you need to check your reality connection. It's a bit tenous, to say the least.

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