fredlott63

Children should obey their parents
We are children for less than 20 years. There are no stages of adulthood. Being older does not give you any authority in my house; it doesn’t matter whether I’m 19 or 90. No one is more of an adult than anyone else. The chief difference between adults and children is that adults provide for themselves. That is it. Nowhere is it written that when a child becomes a teenager they should take a part in their upbringing and allowed input into the consequences of their actions. Children should do as they are told while they are children. We all choose our actions and reactions but no one gets to choose consequences. Life as an adult is longer than life as a child. 1 Corinthians 13:11 says, “When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things”. Geneses 2:24 says, “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh”. Children have a nasty habit of growing up. They will no longer feel the way they felt or think they way they thought. The day will come that they will speak differently but while they are children, they should do as they are told and be whipped if they misbehave. Childhood doesn’t last forever. Some idiot told me that children who receive corporal punishment will grow up and beat their parents. I informed Him that as a child I was beaten. When I grew up not only did I not hit my mother, but I would have snatched a bone from anyone who looked at my mother in a threatening manner.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Time to cancel those barmitzvahs.....

fredlott63

In other countries there is an age where a child becomes an adult. In America 30 is the new 20.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Surely, Fred, like I...you have known parents who weren't deserving of complete obedience by their children. :| For example, I have known of parents convincing their children to steal.

fredlott63

There are always exceptions. Most parents care for their children.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

It depends on what you mean by "care", it is rather naive to assume that most parents, want to be parents.

fredlott63

I think that most people think the way I do. My parents took care of me. I took care of my children. I only have one grandchild but my son takes care of his daughter. By care I mean provide food, clothes, and shelter until they can take care of themselves.

fiatlux

It is my experience that when I create a thread I have given what is safely most relevant to the topic. Experience has shown me too often that what I left out of my supposedly careful construction of a subject becomes the source of comments.

I love children, which has become a dangerous thing to say nowadays. Jesus loved them far more saying that unless we become as little children, we will not know the kingdom heaven. To be as a little child has its greatest impetus when we are little children. How we are treated and cared for then makes the later spiritual transition to a Christ-follower easier and truer.

I am not sure what pertinent information you may inadvertently excluded from this thread, but as it reads, to me, it is abysmal. Scary!

First and foremost and not exactly on point, there are a number of stages to adulthood.

Second, the Bible disagrees with this statement: "The chief difference between adults and children is that adults provide for themselves." God provides for all, all good gifts come from God. Both Children and adults alike.

You say this: "Nowhere is it written that when a child becomes a teenager they should take a part in their upbringing and allowed input into the consequences of their actions." Jesus was just barely a teenager when he stayed behind to teach. Mary, the mother of God, was estimated to be approximately 12 to 14 when she conceived. It is said that Alexander the Great was 16 when he started his campaign. But who cares about that. Of course they should "take a part in their upbringing and allowed input into the consequences of their actions": is this capacity supposed to magically appear when they turn our equivalent of adult at 21? A teenager is likely less knowledgeable but not less intelligent than an adult. Treating them with respect and talking things out is far better than dictates and punishment.

Pardon me but the overall picture you are giving is that of an authoritarian rather than an authoritative figure. The difference? The authoritarian is primarily concerned with strict obedience; the authoritative a discipline that encourages growth and responsibility. Being an outside measure of what is right and wrong, meting out reward and punishment, diminishes moral maturity. Reward and punishment is a noted failed system of producing intrinsic decency.

"The day will come that they will speak differently but while they are children, they should do as they are told and be whipped if they misbehave." Very Sick, sorry. This is totally contrary to fact.

fredlott63

I raised 4 kids. What fact are you talking about?

fiatlux

Raised four kids means what?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

There are people who breed, they are not necessarily parents just because they procreate. A parent is different, a parent is someone who knows love and how to give love, they are the normal rather than the exception. They are teachers and nurses of the family, removing a splinter, kissing a scrapped knee; the one who calms their child's fears and are not the reason for fear. A parent unselfishly gives without thought to themselves, they protect and guide.

As in everything, the bad who just have children for having children, and then abuse them or teaches them the wrong way to live; these are the ones that you read about. Rarely do we read about the mother or father who sacrifices, who goes the extra mile, who protects and defends and the ones who do teach their children.

And yes real parents earn respect. So I ask, you have known one who is bad.... how many good parents have you known or met?

What you have mentioned is not a parent, they are the exception to the rule rather than the norm.

fiatlux

The exact point he was making is that there are exceptions to the rule. Pay attention.

fredlott63

This is what experience has shown me. Unless you have raised kids you don't know.

fiatlux

I agree. But you thoroughly missed the point. Slatten was merely saying that "...you have known parents who weren't deserving of complete obedience by their children." Pay attention.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Rumitoid,

You already said this..... been hitting the bottle early this weekend I see.